Daisy 853 Front & Rear Sights

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Fatman:
Hi ac12 basis:

Daisy realy does support the youth shooting programs from what I can gather.  As a result their x53 series of rifles are the most widely used of any manufacturer in those programs.  It appears that part of their agenda is to offer replacement parts for their rifles at very fair and affordable prices.  I say Hooray for Daisy.  

As to whether you need/want to replace the 853 front sight with the 753, it depends.  The barrel weight is definately smaller and lighter.  It also raises the sight line to better suite the 753/Gamo rear sight.  The higher sight line allows a more erect head position which I find more comfortable.  It reduces neck strain and seems to help control sway (better balance).

 If you shoot better with the heavier weight, you can add a second one behind the first.  Daisy used to offer an 853 variant with two of what looked like two 853 weights one behind the other, so it might be legal for competition.   You may need to contact daisy to get verification of this if your club balks at allowing it.  They may still have the second weight available (it appeared to be identical to the regular 853 but without the welded on sight housing).  That being said, and rules being rules, the only legal version might just be 853 front sight plus the 853 add on weight.

I find and most target shooters place a lot of emphasis on the front sight.  It has been shown time and time again that to get the best results (tightest groups) you must focus on the front sight and not the target. This ususally results in the front sight ring being clearly seen and the bullseye somewhat blurry.   Some shooters are blessed with excellent eyesight and can see both in clear focus.  The rear apeture sight helps with this by contributing the "Pinhole Effect" to the sight picture.  It improves the depth of field which means that both the front sight ring and the target are in sharper focus than would otherwise be possible.  

So back to the 753 front sight.  The rings or inserts are definately better made, they are more precise, appear perfectly round, are tightly held  and, importantly, there are 4 graduated sizes to choose from.  If you are all serious about target shooting you will be looking at that front sight for many hours.  As it is your primary interface with the target, it is one of your most important pieces of gear.  

A lot of shooters will try the smallest front insert available in the belief that by reducing or completely eliminating the white around the bull they will get the best results.  The opposit is usually true.  You wind up straining to perfectly centering the bull when your hold is not, and probably will never be that steady. This results in you trying too hard, holding the shot too long and not getting the result you're aiming for (no pun intended).  Precision shooters will often use different inserts for each position, with the smallest in prone and the largest in offhand (standing).  The less steady the hold the more open the reticle.  Try it and see if it works for you.

Another thing that may help improve your scores is the 753 target stock.  It will fit the 853 and the verticle pistol grip is better suited to target shooting.  It helps in trigger control, facilitating a straight back pull that is not as easily achieved with the sporter style 853 stock.  Its competition legal and is worth considering.   Current daisy pricing sheets show it at $69.00 which in the scheme of things is fairly cheap (still too rich for my blood).   Another way to achieve the same thing is to simply buy a 953.  It is the same configuration but in synthetic (read plastic).  It's realy well made, has a good feel and is actually heavier than the wooden one which is an added benefit.  Pyramid Air currently has them on sale for $71.95.  With their 10% off code that makes it a cool $65.00.  You get the stock, the barrel weight and a lot of spare parts for the same money.  It aint wood but it will do the trick.

If you have even deeper pockets, it seems the best Daisy curently has to offer is the 887 Gold Medalist Competition model.  It is CO2 so you don't have to pump it, if you shoot 3 position, you don't have to break and rebuild position with each shot and it consistantly shoots the tightest groups in the current Daisy lineup.  As I understand it you need the gun, a fill adapter (another $60 or so dollars) and you might want an additional cylinder (yet another $60).  If I remember right, you get something in the order of 300 shots per fill so it is quite economical to shoot.  You can get the cylinders filled at most paintball shops, welding suppliers, fire extinguisher shops and/or commercial compressed gas dealers.  If you have even deeper pockets you can buy or rent a large stationary tank and fill your own cylinders and shoot a gazillion shots before needing a refill.

I do run on .......way too much time on my hands.

Cheers,
Fatman

Cheers,
Fatman

ac12basis:
Thanks FM
I was indeed considering replacing the 853 wood stock with a 953 composite stock for both the target profile and the added weight.  I should contact Daisy about what a replacement 953 stock would run.
I think my FWB-300 inserts will fit the Gamo front sight.  As you mention, I use an insert size that will allow me to keep the bull in the aperture "most of the time" depending on how bad my wobble gets  :-)

Fatman:
Hi  ac12basis:

The Daisy 953 order form (price sheet) lists the stock as Key 853-8 (identifies the part on the schematic)  Part Number 138448-000 Stock (black synthetic) for $65.00.  Prices may have gone up a tad but it shoud be close.  Notice the part number identifies it as 853 as they use this stock on the Avanti 853CM, which is essentially the 853 in the synthetic stock, but with the clip advance mechanism and the 5 shot clip (the Canadians use this model in their Canadian Marksmanship Program which is probably why it gets the CM suffix).  That's probably also the reason for the high price.  The 753 Wooden stock Key 753-8  Part Number 169266-100 is listed at $65.00 as well.  Basically the same profile - the wooden stock is lighter and well.... wood.  The synthetic is plastic, seems to be very well made and it's and heavier.  The difference between the 953 and the 853CM is the Walther barrel, the 853 sights and the sling.  The different models also use receivers with different names and numbers, that being the main difference.

Pyramid Air has the 953 on sale for $71.95 with the 10% off code it's a cool $65.00.  You get the stock, a bunch of spare parts and you can put the 953 receiver and clip advance mechanism on the your 853 if you want to go that way.  You get both for less than either stock alone from Daisy - go figure.  They are also showing the Air Arms rear sight for $49.95.  Looks identical to the Daisy/Gamo but for the price, I suspect it's the Chinese (Daisy) model.

Hope this isn't confusing.

I have far too much time on my hands.

Cheers,
Fatman

ac12basis:
Thanks FM
That would give me the stock and the barrel weight  :-)

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