I have a Winchester 800X. It says Daisy all over it. It shoots just as good as most of my other guns for the most part and is accurate. I found out on the Daisy forum that it is a Hatsan. It says made in Turkey on it.I don't have all the knowlege about airguns as most on this forum, but I personally don't have a problem with Hatsan. Until a product lets me down I'm fine with it.Ther are reasons why some people don't like them, and they know a whole lot more about airguns than I do, and I very much respect their oppinions, but to me it's just like the Chevy-Ford -Dodge thing.They all have weak and strong points.Get what you like and enjoy it.It's all about fun. Unless you dive into a problimatic product that is so obvious you cant help but be leery. JMHO