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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Airgun Gate => : kiwi September 09, 2008, 08:03:57 PM
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Hi guys ...Was just looking on the Hatsan web site.
They have a few new models by the look of it.
A .22 PCP "AT44" I could be interested in it but have
heard they have a quilty issue I have never seen a hatsan
other than in pics. WHAT ARE THEY LIKE?
And a nice springer .22 underleave rated at 1000fps !!!
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look here :) and decide. I think it is JUNK!
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10551&mid=79743#M79743
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They can be very rough right out of the box, I just finished work on one that wasn't to bad, just needed som TLC to get it shooting better. Lots of twang and rough cocking to start with but can be made to heel if needed, just alot of elbow grease needed. The firing cycle is hard due in part to the power generated, the top hat must weigh in at around 6 oz. at least, never seen one that big, just a bit of a learning curve when shooting them.
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My friend have Hatsan,to much power have Hatsan,and sights are bad.Hatsan will destroy every optic that you put on it.If you use just for funit is not bad,but qualiti si wery bad.You deside
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Good to know, thanks. I have a shop near my place that sells the 125 Hatsan in camo. I've also read that it was a very powerful shooter.....but harsh. Maybe if someone who knows how to tune airguns can tame it down....but not me, I'm not much of a tinkerer.
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Mine is much better now, but you should not have to put this much work into a $260 gun out of the box. Also it is still relatively new and I am concerned about the plastic stock. No problems yet.
I think it is a good design with poor workmanship and some cheap materials. The Torpedo looked interesting, but after my "fantastic voyage" through the 125, I would not be interested in another Hatsan product. I will just try to make the best of this one.
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Hey - from a new member to GTA - my experience with both the Hatsan manufactured Powerline and Walther Falcon Hunter (a friend owns it) is that they are beasts (to reflect one of the reviews - they are both very good and very bad).
I've found that the design of the rifle is causing the sythetic stock to crack.
I've got about 500 shots on my Powerline .177 (1st Airgun at $100), and the synth stock at the front screws has cracked. Can only guess that the kickback and vibration are doing a major number on the stock. If anyone has ideas on all wood replacement stock - I'm all ears. As a hunter the Powerline has been a good little rifle for me. Especially now - the Powerline is worth the money - esp as you can get them on sale for $69 during the 08 Holidays (see Bass Pro, etc).
Paying $260 for the .22 WFH though? I would not pay that much until Hatsan improves 1) the qaulity of the trigger (move to two stage), 2) stronger stock (either wood or beefed up synthetic), and 3) vibration. If I could get all three of those with a scope - I'd happily pay $260 for a 22 Hatsan.
As a side note - GTA is a GREAT FORUM. What a resource on Air Rifles and hunting with them! Keep up the great work guys.
Be sure to get out and get some squirrel or rabbit over the holidays!
George
daveshoot - 9/14/2008 10:27 AM
Mine is much better now, but you should not have to put this much work into a $260 gun out of the box. Also it is still relatively new and I am concerned about the plastic stock. No problems yet.
I think it is a good design with poor workmanship and some cheap materials. The Torpedo looked interesting, but after my "fantastic voyage" through the 125, I would not be interested in another Hatsan product. I will just try to make the best of this one.
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Welcome to the GTA forum and family George. I`ll bring this back up so everyone can welcome you to this great airgun forum. Thanks for your imput on the Hatsan products....I`m sure it will be of use to other members and/or guests.
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Gene and I have discussed the Hatsan guns at length and have even worked on them together. Hopefully Gene will jump in here and give you his opinion. 8) I sure have mine and for what it is worth, I would never invest in a Hatsan or any springer made in Turkey. The internals in them are in my opinion about as bad as it can get and don't equal most of the Chinese made guns. They have bought up the rights on a few guns that were well known and really good guns and turned them into a very inferior products. Again, ask Gene as he has first hand experience. :0
As with any other springer though, given enough time and effort they can be made to shoot "reasonably" well but don't be disappointed in the results. After working on a few it didn't take me long to decide that I wouldn't work on them any longer. That said though, every once in awhile someone seems to get a good one but I've never seen one nor has Gene. Maybe my expectations are to high for the money spent.
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Can't make generalized statements about an air rifle line based on 1 or 2 anecdotal
stories of some people. Just like Crosmans, Daisy, and the Chinese stuff out there,
there are good apples and bad apples.
Your mileage may vary. Just be grateful that the Hatsan line is available to consumers
in New Zealand. They are not available here.
Not all of us can afford $1,000.00 air rifles.
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Welcome to the GTA Forums George !
You have found, A GREAT PLACE TO BE !!!!
For you to get your request for a wooden stock out, it will reach interested ears, if you make your own string ! The correct members will see it !
And now that you have become a member of out GTA, airgun addicted family, I hope to see you post here often !
Bill
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I think it is more than a few anecdotal stories, The good reviews are from new owners who are blown away by the sheer power. Love to hear back from them after a 1000 rounds.
When I go through my sub-$150 Chinese rifles I find more attention to detail, finish, and basic respect for the customer. The WFH is a decent shooter now (still with a better but lousy trigger), after what I would consider an unreasonable amount of work for the price point.There are a lot of them for sale used.
I will keep mine, but for another 80-100 fps or so over a much cheaperAR1000 or the B28, I question their value. And in US dollars. the RWS48 or 350 are well under $500. YMMV.
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I bought my WFH .25 for the sheer power alone and hoped that I could learn to shoot it decently. I don't have any paper to show, but I sure can hit those ground squirrels out at 50~100yrds. It fullfils its purpose. A smooth shooter it is not. However, with some work, many have said that it can be smoothed a little. I choose to keep mine stock for now. I have shimmed the breech seal andexpanded the skirts on the pellets that I shoot (Rhinos). Those two things brought up the velocity and consistency. I love my WFH and don't consider it junk. It is the most powerful springer I own. The most accurate? No.
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If you buy one better be prepared to keep it until death do you part. The resale market for these is pretty dismal. Judging from that, alone, and not testimonials by disappointed owners, I would steer clear of them. I did have a Kral clone of a Gamo CFX which was as nicely made as the original. But that came from Kral and not Hatsan. Too bad they didn't chose them for the outsourcing.
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Good, Bad, Junk? If it sold for $50 I think everyone would think they were GREAT. I think B3s are junk at any price, evryone else thinks they are great. Back on topic I would not pay the price for a "TURKEY" gun when I can buy a used RWS, or Beeman for the same price
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Charlie - definitely respect your opinion, as later this afternoon I have had a chance to see some of the more detailed criticism by the more advanced gents like you who REALLY know the internals / design / engineering of the rifles. (the search capabilities in this forum are incredible)
I'm coming from the perspective of one of the gents later in this thread that mentions: "but I sure can hit those ground squirrels out at 50~100yrds."
I'm not comfortable shooting squirrels quite at that range (want a definite kill shot), but over the last three years of visiting my fathers farm property - but I've been impressed by the Hatsan ability to consistently take out a number of those little critters within 40 yrds.
So - for $100 bucks - I've been happy with the Hatsan. Problem is - it's falling apart now and I need to find a good reliable replacement. Sounds like I need to invest $300 in the R34 and get something that I can give to my kids one day.
Thanks - George
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Ha!!! I should have said hit and kill them groundsquirrels!!! They go down right away with the .25 cal pellets. But if you are thinking along the lines of a RWS 34, why not get a 350M?. It has long range power and kill capabilities, or short range...up to you. Once you master the shooting technique, you can do wonders with it. The kills that I have done with my 350M I don'ttalk much about because most folks wouldn't believe it.Definately something to pass along down the line too.
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(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-smile.gif)Your subject title answers that question.....Hatsans are Good,Bad and Junk...depending on the model. I have no first handuse of the product, but the analogy applies to all of our manufacturers who design and fabricate products to make a profit. Crosman,Daisy,RWS(Diana) Xisico etc, some of their productsare home run hitters and some can not get on first base. We are a population of likes and dislikes, each person has a opinion, only time in play can dictate to us if it will work well or not.
Hatsan can make a beautifull rifle .......................
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I must have overlooked this thread..:) Not much to add with what Bob has already said. For the most part the Turkish springers that we have seen are purely junk. Poor designs and manufacturing techniques. I have seen recently that Hatsan is out sourcing some of their models to China. Those guns should be ok...:) Since the Turks do not touch them.. hehe The Hatsan models I have seen are probably coming out of the Bam facilities with Hatsans name on them..
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I must have overlooked this thread..:) Not much to add with what Bob has already said. For the most part the Turkish springers that we have seen are purely junk. Poor designs and manufacturing techniques. I have seen recently that Hatsan is out sourcing some of their models to China. Those guns should be ok...:) Since the Turks do not touch them.. hehe The Hatsan models I have seen are probably coming out of the Bam facilities with Hatsans name on them..
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What can I say 'cept to each his own. I own two of these and they are NAIL driving in accuracy and power. Home lube/tuned both and would not sell them for any reason. Good thing, since everybody thinks they're junk. (http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-surprised.gif)
Accuracy and power in a medium weight AG. WHAT else do you need in a hunter/plinker??? Besides an expensive name and pricetag. Anybody want to dispose of their cheap Hatsan junk, just drop me a note. I'll pay shipping to the ezman salvage yard. (http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif)
Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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talon mag/wfh it is clearly a hunting rifle i bought mines to see what the hype is and i love it i recently got the stock camoed by mr shadow(thanks ed good job) ive shot it 30 times prior to that and i like the power ive gotten the new version that has that anti recoil whatever to help on the recoil it produces(we will see what it does later on) this is a rifle i wont shoot all the time but only to hunt so i expect it to last a while i have others too keep me occupied but it is a beast but cocking it is not a problem for me as im 5ft11 245lbs and a plumber i lift heavy objects all day long lol, like i said this aint no field target shooter thats why i got a b40 ,to each is own i wont say its the fantastic thing i own i think nothing in my current stable will beat my rws350p as in shooting and built but the talon mag with her new dress is quite up there. All i can say is do ur research on anything you get before you get it it will save u problems in the long run and do whats best for you after all its ur money :D
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Dave, you may have a couple of the Hatson's that were out source to China..:) I have owned quite a few chines and Spanish air rifles that cost me less than $150.00 and were blue ribbon quality compared to the Turkis made guns I have seen.
No offense Dave but after tuninga few springers it is clear as day to me...:)
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hey dave what numbers are you getting with ur wfh .25
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Dave your kill'em me! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Had my PL1KS for several years. Don't think they switched to China but in the last year or so. May be wrong. Winchester I bought used. But both SAY made in Turkey. Doesn't matter, they shoot hard and straight. Excellent hunters at 15.5 - 16.5 fpe out. Me likes 'em. (http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif)
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Hold on just one dam# minute. I'm getting really tired of all the Hatsan/PowerLine/Winchester bashing going on in this forum. Dave I'm on your side on this issue. I have tuned more than a few of these Turkish made shooters for some friends and co-workers, so I think it safe to say I can make an informed judgement and opinion on them myself. For starters, these rifles aren't anymore rougher than some chamo big cat or a crapman quest chi- clone. And they are way way better than the models,...or cloned Hatsans that have been out-sourced to China. Talk about a real piece of crap. Yes they are rough, but they are built on a solid platform, rugged, and probably come the closest to their advertised velocity of any economy AR made. Spend some time, and like Mike Mellick said,...some "elbow-grease", and they can be transformed into a very powerful and accurate rifle. The trigger group does need some work and slight modification, but once that's performed, they shoot just as smooth and predictable as any flimsy chamo/theoben trigger WITH the gold trigger. The outsourced Chinese cloned triggers just plain suck IMHO.
There are only three issues I have with my Hatsan. The first is the synthetic stocks,...just too light, and too hollow,......but no worse than a any gamo. Second,.....parts availability. And last, that it shoots best and the most accurate with JSB Express pellets. Yeah, the pricier pellets,...but the results far out weigh the cost! If I do my part,..and shoot in my "Zen" mode,.....I can stack em inside a nickel at 20 yards off hand!!!! Not too shabby for a $100 pellet gun!!
Sorry for "going against the grain" and not conforming with the,...whatever, but I think the Hatsan rifles have gotten a bad wrap, and to be totally honest, I'm really NOT sorry one bit for enjoying my Hatsan made PowerLine 1000!!!! I will encourage anybody interested in these rifles to give them a "shot". There are alot of good sources for tuning these rifles,.. so to say they are hopeless pieces of "junk" is a fallacy of unwarrented merit. If anyone can get their hands on a Turkish Hatsan made Daisy/PL/Winchester, then I would say you have a true "Diamond in the Rough"!! Respectfully, Thomas
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I have a hatsen (walther talon) .22. The gun out of the box had a serious kick. Enough kick that you may want to wait a couple hundred pellets befor putting you favorite scope on it or it could eat it. I have about 1700 pellet through mine and the gun has been absolutly flawless. Everthing on my gun is still box stock except i put some oil down in the trigger mechanizm. Iv never had the gun apart and all the screws and bolt are still tight from the factory after allmost a year. The guns are extremly accurate and hard hitting. The quality on mine is excellent. I have had the same bushnell scope on it for about 1500 pellets and it's holding zero perfectly. If you like lots of power AND accuracy, you will like the hatsens. The only problem i find with the walther talon is that its a big, heavy gun and i am 5'11" and 220# and not weak. like any gun, its a lot easier to point it up in the air (like at squrils in a tree) and harder to aim horizontal because of weight. After a year of use, i have not found one single problem with my hatsen. Its an awsome, beautifull gun and has served me very well. remember, there were many changes to the hatsens around summer of 09 to address any problems reported before that and the solutions worked awsome. A lot of people put the hatsens down but i have much first hand experience shooting them so i would suggest you not beleive the bad hype. They are excellent guns. If you get one, shoot it a few hudred times and it will smooth out really nice.