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PCP - HPA - C02 Gate => PCP DarkSiders Forum => : rbtmckny December 27, 2008, 02:50:17 PM
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I ordered a BSA Scorpion T10 Bull Barrel today. I need a scope for it. I was told I did not need to use an AR scope on this gun. I can get a good price on a BSA Contender 6-24x40 or a 8-32x40. They have adjustable objectives. These are high power rifle hunting scopes. I was wondering, since I will be shooting primarily at 40-50 yards, is the magnification of these scopes to much?
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I understand that some people can hit a two inch bulls at 100 yards with a 3-9X32 ao, but I am lucky to hit anything at 60 yards with the scopes that you mentioned..:) It depends on your eyes. It can be trial and error. But I would think most people the scopes you mentioned would be adequate for 50 yards..:)
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I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing Gene. I am not concerned about the 40mm number. I was concerned about the 6-24 or 8-32. I was wondering if I would have trouble seeing the target at ten yards if it was that close. I would like to get a 50mm AO scope if I could find one with a good price. Having bought a gun, yoke and hose and a Scuba tank today, I am looking to save a little money!
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I have 2 PCP's, Bob, an AA S400E and an FX Cyclone, both in .177, both capable of extremely good accuracy at 50 yards and beyond. The S400 wears an old Simmons 44 Mag 6.5-20x44 AO, the Cyclone has a newer Bushnell Legend 5-15x40 AO, both mil dot reticules. I generally leave both scopes at 10x for almost everything, only turning them down for extremely close range, and turning them up for spotting. Unless you plan on shooting FT and need the higher mag for ranging, I think the ones you're looking at are going to be overkill. You can't get the 44 Mag any more, but the Legend is available, new they run about $170, used should be $125-150. Check out the Mall, several optics retailers are listed there. BTW, the 5-15 Legend is the only one that had mil dots, all the others have a duplex or 30-30 reticule. I highly recommend it, it's a great scope for the money. Hope that helps.
Dave
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Bob you should look at the spec sheet on those scopes. I would think the 6-24 should adjust down to 15 yards, and you can buy that one at Natchez for around $56.00. You also can look at the Bushnels and Simmons as well. Natchez has pretty good prices on scope.
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Since Dave mentioned what scopes he has on his babies..:) I will do the same..:) My AA410 and my FX Cyclone both have the Simmons Whitetail Classic Mil Dot 6.5-20X50 AO Mildot Scopes. I never shoot inside 20 yards with these two PCP's. I like the clearity of the glass and also the mil dot for holding under or over. Dave, we sure have the same tastes in PCP's...)
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Gene_SC - 12/27/2008 9:11 PM
Since Dave mentioned what scopes he has on his babies..:) I will do the same..:) My AA410 and my FX Cyclone both have the Simmons Whitetail Classic Mil Dot 6.5-20X50 AO Mildot Scopes. I never shoot inside 20 yards with these two PCP's. I like the clearity of the glass and also the mil dot for holding under or over. Dave, we sure have the same tastes in PCP's...)
Hard to argue with near perfection, isn't it, Gene :-)? You should try the Cyclone at close range, I've been shooting mine on low power at 10 yards in my shop. Downright boring, just keeps dropping pellets in the same hole. About the only way to miss is closing my eyes. With the adjustable power, this really is a do it all rifle, match grade accuracy and trigger, and a power range good from 10 yards to as long as you feel comfortable shooting it. I've shot mine at 100 yards, but that's really too far for a .177. But 50 is not a problem! You gonna make it to the NTAGM shootout? Come on, if I can make it, you can :-)! Later.
Dave
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Bob I have both of the BSA scopes you are looking at and they will both dial down to 15 yards . Even on the higher settings the contender will stay clear .Marvin
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How about a Barska scope? Are they any good? Sportsmans Guide has a good price on two of those, but I was not sure of the Quality.
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Thanks, Marvin
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Ya Dave, you mentioned perfection and with the FX and the AA, that's about it..:) When I first got my FX Cyclone .22 a bit over 2 years agon. It became apparent that like you said it could be down right boring to consistantly hit the same hole consistantly..:) I would always go back to my springers for a bit of a challenge. Shooting them makes for more of a challenge for sure. I still love my PCP's and since the FX is a .22 it can be a deadly hunting rifle at 30 ft/lbs.
Yes I am planning on showing up at the NTAGM shootout. I sure hope you can make it. Would be fantastic to meet you and all the other guys for a couple days of fun shooting.
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Sounds like the Cyclone is what I wanted when I asked about adjustable/regulatable PCP rifles.
Question: Is there any disadvantage (other than loss of serious bragging rights) to the synthetic stock option? (Done right, I would think that it would be just as well-fitted as beech/walnut and much less prone to any WX/environmental-related changes.)Â
 Do I also assume correctly that just about any Leupold/AO scope I might have lying around would survive the wear & tear?
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The Cyclone synthetic stock is very well done. Not like the synthetic stocks on other air rifles. It has soft padded inserts on the for stock and pistol grip areas.. The synthetic stock Cyclone is perfect for hunting because you will not damage the surface like you would on a wood stock.. I like the walnut stocks on the Cyclone's but not practical for what the gun was made for. IMO. Accurate, light to carry with a great byathaone cocking lever with an 8 round rotary clip.
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I didn't respond to your post, Mike, because you were talking regulated rifles and .22. Power adjustment on the Cyclone and other FX rifles is a 3 position lever on the left side of the rifle, on mine shooting CPH's, I get about 10, 16, and 21 fpe. Medium power is by far the most consistent setting with this rifle, it averages about 830 fps with an extreme spread of 15 fps. A 30 shot string has a virtually flat curve, and with a 2900 psi fill I end up with 2400. I can and have done 80 shots on a single fill with no POI drop, at least at 10 yards :-). Add in an outstanding trigger, 8 shot repeater, and it's a pretty tough gun to beat.
As far as I'm concerned, the synthetic stock is an advantage on this rifle. It's lighter than wood, not affected by weather, and holds and points well. Of course, my intended use is as a field rifle. No, it's not as "pretty" as a nice beech or walnut stock, but it's a lot more utilitarian, which I like. Besides, I think it just looks cool :-). I love my Cyclone, but they're not cheap, the synthetic currently retails for $1300, add another $150 for walnut, IIRC. Extra mags are $25 ea., cheap compared to others and pretty foolproof. I have 5, gives me 40 shots on high and then it's time to refill. And there I went and just reviewed this thing AGAIN ;-)! Yes, any scope will work on a PCP, no recoil until you get into the big bores, and those are no different than a regular powder burning rifle. Any other questions you know how to reach me. Later.
Dave
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Thanks, Dave. I think that between you & Gene, you've answered the question as to narrowing the Cyclone's position for a never-look-back starting point for what I wanted. As usual I was asking for the right answers with the wrong questions, but all's well that ends well.
As to price, it is expensive.
https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/FX%20Specials.html
But I believe you two have attested to its worth.
I note that all the adverts show it w/ a scope, but do *not* have the usual disclaimer that the scope & mounts aren't included in the price. Any knowledge on y'all's part one way or the the other? (I'll call them tomorrow in any case.)
I also note that PyramidAir no longer carries the Cyclone. Any back-story on that or just not enough customer base for that particular enterprise?
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They do NOT come with scopes/mounts, nor do they come with open sights, so a scope of some type is mandatory. My Legend is currently mounted with a 2 pc. set of Accushot high mounts that really should be changed to mediums, a little lower would probably give me a better cheek weld.
I didn't buy mine new, so I didn't pay $1300 for it, but even if I had, I'd have said it was worth every penny. I like your description, "never-look-back starting point", it's perfect for this rifle.
I don't know why PA doesn't sell these any more, I just know that AoA is the exclusive US source for the FX line. In 3 years of playing with "bb guns" I've only dealt with them once, bought some mags and pellets, everything went great. I say that because I've read lots of post from guys saying they wouldn't buy one of these guns because AoA was the only source. I take it their customer service leaves something to be desired. You might be able to find one used like I did, they do pop up now and then, and most are in .22. Got lucky on mine, I was actually looking for a .177, they're not nearly as common.
Don't forget the extra cost involved in filling PCP's, tanks, fill whips, etc. can add up in a hurry. But there's always options, living in the sticks like I do, I had to get creative. Keep us posted.
Dave
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Done.....
FWIW: AoA's Customer service couldn't have been better and spent time workingme through all the piece parts/peripherals/best lash-ups. I'll try the pump for "...a while..." since my SCUBA tank in the garageis 1964 vintage. (Hell, I've still got my U.S. Divers double-hose regulator... `Memories of when I was a real person again.) (I need some whole-body work-out after XMas candy/stuff anyway.)
:-)
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Bob, my apologies, I'm afraid I hijacked your post and never even answered your last question. Although I haven't owned any Barska scopes, I've used a couple, they seemed okay, probably on par with a Leapers or Tasco. I've heard spotty reports on QC, though, which is why I've never owned one. Since you're looking at one for a PCP, might not be such an issue. Hope that helps.
Dave