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PCP - HPA - C02 Gate => PCP DarkSiders Forum => : PelletPaul January 13, 2009, 04:08:51 AM
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I' am in a position to buy any PCP rifle I want. I sold many of my powder burning guns which I do not use anymore, which leaves me with a bunch of money. I want a .22 caliber mainly for hunting, quiet, accurate, powerful with no problems. Beating myself up trying to figure out which is best.
DarkSiders please advise,
Thanks,
Paul
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Paul,you would be more then excited/pleased/over-whelmed with joy with an Air Arms S410,,yes there are more expensive rifles & there are much more expensive rifles,,I believe that the S410 is great value for the price,,,,ask T-CUPS,,,,Johnny Quest what they think..
GOOD LUCK!!!
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Love my AA S410 - ERB side lever in .22. I also shot Gene's FX Cyclone in .22. Both are powerful, quiet and accurate. Both are multi-shot repeaters. But the best answer to your question will come from going out and shooting several different PCP's and deciding for yourself. Others more knowledgeable than me will, no doubt, chime in. As Joe points out, after doing some reading and comparing, I went for the AA-S410 ERB in a LH thumbhole stock. Excellent air rifle. See the DarkSide forum. Pics posted there recently.
Actually, here: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=12598&posts=22&highlight=AA%20410&highlightmode=1#M99893
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I'd buy an AA S410 Side Lever, a BSA Bull Barrel Super 10, or a BSA Bull Barrel Scorpion T10. Of course if I could wait a bit, I'd hold out for the new BSA R10.......... Lots of choices.....
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Peakchick - When are the BSA R10 coming out? Those Daystate's on AOA's website has me paying attention. Very expensive though when you consider the support for them. I guess it's the way they present them on their web site. If they do not shoot any better than BSA's I don't want one. Also what scope would you guys recommend?
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http://www.glbarnes.com/
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Middle of this year on the R10 (Might be sooner, AOA would know). Here is the link to the R10 on the BSA site:
http://www.bsaguns.co.uk/gun_r-10.php
Scope wise, I'm a big fan of light weight, fairly compact scopes, and I don't need or use very high magnification on hunting rifles. I really like the Bushnell Trophy 4-12 x 40 AO. The new Burris Timberline 4.5-14 x 32 AO has gotten great reviews. The Leupold 3-9 x 33 EFR is pretty universally raved about.
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there is a guy selling a really nice Rapid with all sorts of custom options on Airgunadvice.com .... If you go to the for sale items. you will see it listed with all the photos.
Here is the add:
This is a Rapid MKII .22 caliber. As will all my Rapids when I buy them brand new I have them shipped directly to Allen Zasadny to have him check it out, and do all his modifications Power adjustment, Shroud, Quick Fill, oversized bolt, the gun was purchased from Dave Slade. The Stock is a Dave G. stock and I waited over a year for this one, little different then most of his you see, very unique, it has a very light adjustable recoil pad. It also comes with a Bushnell 4200 Elite 6-24X40 scope with Mil Dot and a scope level. It will be shipped in a Hard case. Asking $2,300 + shipping & insurance. If interested contact me through the PM function on the board.
That one is about double what I was planning to spend. I ended up deciding on a AA410 Walnut, HOWEVER, there are NONE to be had currently. So I'm waiting for one to arrive into the US to place an order.
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...if money were no object. The 50 or 80FPE version in .22. That`s a sweet looking air rifle...with the power and accuracy to back her up. Read it`s abit front heavy with it`s 500cc air bottle. The pellet clip is quite long....so she can feed long pellets....I think she can take pellets that look like real bullets.
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Daystate with out question! I've always wanted one. But they are very pricey. Next would probably be a BSA, Falcon or Rapid. It also depends on what features you want too. Do you want adjustable power? Single shot, or multi shot? Bolt Action or semi-auto. Do you want a built in pressure gauge?( I highly recommend that feature) Removeable "buddy" bottle or not. Beech, walnut or synthetic stock. When I started my search for a PCP I started with a list of features I wanted and looked at the rifles that had all or most of them. Then I decided which if any I would be willing to do without. Then I looked at the rifle that gave me the most features I wanted for my budget. I ended up choosing a AA 410 ERB. Well good luck in your decision.
Regards
Nathan
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I gotta tell`ya. Dave recommended that I look at the FX Cyclone some time back
I did, and I worned him I was a very picky guy.
I haven't looked back since taking it out of the box.
It's just an abolutely superb & balanced system from muzzle to recoil (NOT) pad.
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The FX Cyclone w/ synthetic stock is an ambi with raised cheek pieces and a comfy, soft padding on the forestock. It is a nice gun to shoot, and I really liked Gene's when I shot it. He can compare the FX Cyclone to the AA S410 heads up for you. I like the wood stocks and opted for the thumbhole (my first). I ended up liking the thumbhole more than I thought I would.
Let us know what you choose.
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KB is the owner of the airgunadvice forum . great guy . kirby http://www.airgunadvice.net/viewtopic.php?t=10299
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kirby999 - 1/13/2009 3:30 PM
KB is the owner of the airgunadvice forum . great guy . kirby http://www.airgunadvice.net/viewtopic.php?t=10299
Exactly the one I was talking about!! What an awesome gun. I would love to have, but I already set my budget to the AA410, Cyclone Level of dollars only! :( ... But I agree that is a great looking gun with lots of fantastic options, scope, etc. I believe it would take over $3000 to build one like that if you bought everything seperate and however long in waiting for the stock and the custom details to be completed...
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I'm going to reiterate my recommendation to Mike about the FX Cyclone. Certainly, it's more expensive than an AA, but it's a damn sight cheaper than a Daystate :-). Anything the AA can do, the Cyclone can do, and maybe just a touch better. I've never heard a complaint about the Cyclone mags indexing properly, my Cyclone gets more shots on less air than my AA S400E, and I think the trigger is slightly better. Both my guns are .177's, the AA does 23 fpe with CPH's, the Cyclone does 21. The AA doesn't have adjustable power, I think my Cyclone on full power is slightly quieter, on the lower power levels it's definitely quieter. I wanted a multi shot field gun, the Cyclone fills the bill perfectly. Light, well balanced, good pointer, I can even shoot it off hand, and I suck shooting off hand :-)! Did I mention I really like my Cyclone?
For scopes, I have a Bushnell Legend 5-15x40, it's the only Legend that comes with a mil dot reticule. I'd been shooting with the scope at 10X, but when I moved inside for the winter, I dropped it to 5x, and I haven't changed it, even when taking the occasional longer shot at a starling or sparrow. Picked off a sparrow at about 45 yards and in the top of a tree on Sunday. If you prefer something more compact, I'd go with Peaks recommendation for the Burris Timberline. Good luck, and happy choosing!
Dave
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Actually, the AA -S410 ERB side lever does have adjustable power, and while the Cyclone may be a bit quieter, the difference is "pfffftt vs. pffftT!". Either is very quiet. The AA-S410 trigger has a bit of side to side slack and the safety is a button built in to the top of the trigger blade itself (odd, and I think a bit dangerous as you have to press on the side of the trigger of a loaded weapon to set or release the safety). But the second stage is quite crisp. It's not the match grade trigger on my Walther LGR-U or even the IZH-46M, but it is a very nice trigger and I haven't felt compelled to do any trigger work or adjustments on it. But as I say, when I shot Gene's FX Cyclone, I really liked that rifle as well. Fine trigger. In the composite stock, much lighter than the AA-S410 in walnut, if that makes a difference.
But the real answer, if money is no object: Buy them ALL!
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TCups I like your answer: Buy them all! However, when I say money is not object, I mean "for one gun". I can hear myself say, "Honey I just spent $8,000.00 on pellet guns". Then she would say "you can only shoot one pellet gun! The next day she would be visiting Jared's. So then it would cost me $16,000.00 for a few pellet guns. Then I flash back 50 years ago when I was shooting a $5 red riders.
It's just to bad I could not have all of these pellet guns on a range and be able to shoot each and everyone one.
Kirby - That fancy pellet gun. In my opinion that's the ugliest stock I've ever seen. Now if this was walnut another story. Just my taste. Thanks for looking it up for me.
Gene - In your opinion which is the better gun for you? AA S410 or the Cyclone?
Has anyone have or shot the Daystate's 35, 50 or 80's?
Thanks so much for your inputs. After I decide on this issue will ask advice on air tanks.
PelletPaul
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I`ve seen a few U.K guys talk about the Daystates on their forums. Don`t think I`ve seen it mentioned in North America though.
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Getting ready to call AOA and ask their opinion on the Daystates as compared to Cyclones and AA S410. Will see what they have to say.
P
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In my opinion, the FX Cyclone has the edge over my AA410 Classic. First thing is the FX Cyclone weighs less. The second thing is in my own opinion the FX Cyclone has the edge on accuracy. Since I always prefere lighter weight air rifles the FX would be my choice between the two.
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I gotta tell`ya, guys, it don't get no better`n this:
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13152&mid=104745#M104745
(`cepting maybe the 18gr JSB Exact Heavies which are printing precisely same-hole groups in the 15 yards from my dining room table to the washing machine over the last two days.)
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Here is what I was getting two years ago just after I bought my FX Cyclone. I was getting used to shooting a PCP. Had been shooting mostly all springers up to buying my FX Cyclone.
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Dang MEHavey and Gene_SC.....now I want a Cyclone even more!!!! Great accurate shooting guys.
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MEhavey - WOW. 75 yards! That's what I'am talking about. Show what you can do at 100 yards, full power. I bet that will test your skills?
Gene - Great shooting too. I have a springer, Diana 54, tuned and from 0-50 yards dead on and not very hold sensitive. I love that gun. Now I want one 50-100. Equals: PCP Hence. So if money were no object which PCP would you buy!
Where else can you learn so much.
I don't hunt to live, I live to hunt
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Well I have to say this guys, is that I got bored very easily shooting the FX. Springer's are so much more of a challenge to shoot straight than a PCP... I bet I do not even have one tin of pellets total in my two PCP's..:) But I have shot literally thousands and thousands of pellets through my springers. The gratification of taming a springer is so much more fun for me..:) I love my springers and just cannot keep my hands off of them..:)
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LOL. Well, Gene, I have to say that a few of the critters in my back yard got "bored" very easily after I got the PCP, too - straight through their furry little heads.
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Well I thought I had my choice all boiled down to a AA410. Now after seeing these results from the cyclones both the 75 and the 30 yd groups... I'm all confused again! I like the looks of the AA410 a little better. But there are no AA410's to be had currently. I was told that the factory being shut down they will have new shipment arrive next week and the week after. And since I have been forced to wait this long, I'm going to wait and hear the details when the BSA R-10 will be available and the costs.
I like the clean traditional lines most of the AA410 and the Cyclone. But the BSA R-10 seems to have a lot of the missing features that was missing from the Cyclone and AA410. Quick fill and pressure guage. Few more shots, and US import power still to be defined... Show starts this morning. So hopefully we hear some details later today?
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You did see the 30 yard 10-shot groups I posted with the AA S410 ERB w/ CP's, right? And that off a tripod rest, not a full bench.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13477&mid=107766#M107766
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FX Revolution semi-automatic system that uses wasted air to cycle the bolt and index the magazine. Based on a solid design, FX incorporated a new 12-shot magazine to allow for more shots while reducing the time between shots to zero! Due to the efficiency of the semi-automatic system, the FX Revolution is extremely quiet without the use of any additional components. The the air bottle is in the butt of the rifle with an ambidextrous synthetic cheek piece formed neatly around it. The manual bolt lever enables the rifle to be safely loaded and refilled without any risk of misfire. Along the right side of the Revolution is a cleverly designed safety that prevents the semi-automatic rifle from firing. The FX Revolution delivers 28-32 ft/lbs of consistent energy with seemingly no felt recoil, and the repeating mechanism is smooth and positive. The rifle supplies 60-70 shots per fill, and they go by quickly when the rifle is used at its potential! The FX Revolution is sure to supply rapid fire enjoyment along with single shot precision. FX created a combination that stands alone with nothing in its class to compare with. This is what I would get if I had the money. but $1695 plus a pump or a way to fill it. would buy me alot of are gun's
John
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You can pretty much bet on the R10 being about 23 FPE in .177 and 30 FPE in .22.
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I can't wait that long for a R-10. I think I'am more confused now on what to buy than when I started. Does anybody own any of the Daystate rifle's? Performance?
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Paul, I'm thinking at this point, I would likely be very happy with any of those PCP's as I do not have any PCP experience at all. The more I read the more I doubt what I want. As I believe any of those I will be extremely happy with, I'm only going to wait till Tuesday next week to see what is going on with the R-10. And at that point I will basically flip a coin to choose either the Cyclone or the AA S410. Unless by chance there will be a short term wait for the R-10... I'm putting a premium on the quietness, rather than power. I know daystate has some models that are in the 30, 50 and 70 ft lbs. But I feel like they are not going to be a quiet as the other choices being they have soooo much power. But I could be totally wrong.
Do some searchs on the yellow forum with those specific model names in the search bar. You will have LOTS of reading. I spend a couple of days reading about cyclones, s410 and super10. That is how I found out about the r-10. Good Luck!
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Lemme make it harder still....
30 minutes ago, casual plinking, 3 shots each, full power, off kitchen table** at measured/staked distances, as it got too dark to see.
** (I was munching cookies)
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> "...features that was missing from the Cyclone and AA410. Quick fill and pressure guage...."
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The cyclone has both of the above (alothough I could have misundertood what you meant)...
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Johnny - I called Steve from AOA (owner) and talked a while about my decision making in choosing the correct gun for me. Told him my limit was $1400 give or take for gun only and not support for it. Like you quiet was at the top of list. We went through a bunch of scenarios about what exactly I wanted. Hunting, powerful above 30ft/lbs, highly accurate at beyond 50 yards, single shot ok, pressure gauge built in, easy to fill with lots of shots and variable power, traditional walnut or beech and good quality.
He said, first off you don't need variable power because most of his customers use high power most of the time. That's why your buying it. So that brings in a whole lot more scenarios for choosing guns. Daystate Air Wolf or Air Ranger, but out of my price range. He thought the perfect gun for me was the (are you ready) Scorpion by BSA Scorpion. 34ft/lbs, dead accurate and the most quiet gun out of the box. You could shoot in a church and no one would know. Shot count down a little, 30 shots per fill.
Now his brother is in Florida now attending a air gun show. He thinks that when he returns Tuesday he will put some Daystates in the used section. To call him and strike a deal for a Daystate.
So that's where I'am now.
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Wrong grasshoppa....
I use all three all the time. In fact I use high power much *less* than low and medium power. And the while the high power is incredibly quiet (especially compared to just about any springer at 1/2 the fpe), the medium and low power are so quiet that my wife can't hear anything but the slap as the pellet hits the Duct Seal.
(You really need to see if you can find someone near you w/ the rifles to try out if at all possible. )
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MEHavey - Wish you wouldn't do that to Johnny or myself. Now be honest. Is it quiet enough to shoot in a back yard?
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I would not DARE shoot my R1 or 460 in the yard with my current neighbors.
By contrast, they'd never even know the FX had gone off unless they saw me.
I was amazed.
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OK then!
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Trust, ...but verify.
Get Gene and Dave to weigh in.
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I looked on AOA site and man that walnut stock on that Cyclone is great looking. Is it worth another $200 above the beech stock? Depends on you I guess.
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I got the synthetic stock -- deliberately so. It is the only rifle (and I gots lots of them) I have ever decided to equip that way. (Well `cepting maybe my Colt HBAR.)
Even so, I was (very) pleasantly surprised at how right that decision was when I actually had it in my hands.
(1) It makes for a very light rifle. ...`very light. So much so that my RWS 460 feels truly HEAVY, and the SuperStreak feels like I'm lifting up a footlocker.
(2) It's truly first quality -- even to the point having soft/suede-like panels on each side of the forearm. It really makes a difference in how the gun "feels."
(3) It doesn't get damaged (I supposed you could beat it to death over concrete cinder block) and it never changes zero -- ever.
Other than this, I have no opinion.
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I just bought a BSA Scorpion T10 Bull Barrel. It' a beautiful gun. The pictures don't do the gun justice. Even my wife who does not like guns said, "What a beautiful gun!", as I was taking it out of the box. I got it two weeks ago, but had to wait until yesterday for all the accessories to come. Scope, scope mounts, scuba tank, yoke and hose. Today was the first time I got some real shooting in. It was 18 degrees outside so I only shot 50 shots, but got some real close groups at twenty yards. I can tell I am going to be happy with this gun. It's powerful and very quiet. The noise comes from hitting the target. AoA tested the gun before it was sent out. With Crossman Premiers 14.3 gr, the average velocity was 952 fps. Exactly what I wanted. Fast, but not to fast for accuracy. I'm using JSB Jumbo Exacts 14.3 gr. Seems very accurate, nickel size groups of ten with me standing, leaning against a door jamb. It was only twenty yards, but still pretty good considering how cold it was. I got a 100 cf Sherman Scuba tank and a BSA 6x24 40 mm scope. With shipping I spent about $1500.00. I'm happy. The gun is beautiful, accurate, well balanced, the checkering on the stock feels great and looks good and the trigger is smooth and crisp. I will try so attach a picture. I never did that before on this forum, so I hope what I do will work.
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I don't know how to attach a picture.
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The man speaks truth. Hear him! The FX is really "cushy" to hold and just feels nice. Those inserts feel like suede (or maybe like the late Riccardo Montalbono used to say - fine Corrinthina leather?). Both the FX and the AA S410 are oh so quiet -- pfffftt! And you can drop an intruder squirrel dead in his tracks without even disturbing the birds at the feeder, much less the neighbors. And you WILL shoot more at lower power than full power. You can shoot much cheaper pellets (CP's, FTS, JSBs) than the "heavies" as least by the prices I see. And you will be able to get many more shots per fill at low and medium power than at full power. 30 FPE is awesome when you really need it, but just wasteful and a bit noisier when you don't.
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Another picture try
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Clickthe "Reply" button on the top left of message. After you write up your message go click the "Attach a file after posting" box and then click on "Submit" box. This will bring you to another screen where you can choose your file (photo) from "Browse" box. After you choose your file click on "Submit" and voila. Since we're talking about PCP's...I'm posting my AA410s carbine and BSA Scorpion T-10 for all to enjoy.
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Not much I can add to what Mike has already said. I've owned a lot of rifles in the last 3 years, I'd have to rate the Cyclone as the very best of a pretty good bunch. Like Mike, I wanted a synthetic stock because I expected it to see lots of field use. And like Gene, I'm finding I like the lighter weight rifles. Like Mike said, these rifles are very quiet, especially on low or medium power. High power has a bit of snap to it, but truly, the pellet hitting the target is noisier. Oh, and the "full power only" idea is questionable, at best. I'm not shooting my S400 because the power isn't adjustable, and this time of year, I shoot indoors at 10 yards. Who wants to shoot 20+ fpe at only 10 yards? I can turn the Cyclone down to about 10 fpe, it's still boringly accurate at only 10 yards, but at least I'm not so concerned about shooting out the back of my pellet trap. This is a tough gun to beat, in any company. Later.
Dave
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Gamo - good looking guns for sure. Which do you like the best 410 or Scorpion?
Dave - Does your POI change when adjusting to different power settings?
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While windage doesn't appreciably change, vertical POI *must* change as velocities change.
High Pwr: 840
Low Pwr: 600
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WOW! quite a difference. So where do you sight in at? How does all that work?
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That's how I tried to add a photo, but after I did that I got a message in red letters that said my file size was to big for this site to handle because it must be running on windows 2003. I will try again.
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That's what I did when I tried to add a photo. I then got a message that said the file size was to big for this site to download, because this site must be running on Windows 2003. I will try again.
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That's what I did when I tried to add a photo. I then got a message that said the file size was to big for this site to download, because this site must be running on Windows 2003. I will try again.
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This is the message I get - Upload failed. Most likely this forum runs on Windows 2003 which by default only allows attachments smaller than 200kb. This can easily be solved by editing the MetaBase. xml on the server. Modify the AspMaxRequestEntityAllowed value to the desired value.
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Or just size down the pictures till they`re under 200 megs.
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Paul,
I would like to be in your shoes. You are only 2 hours from AOA. I would for sure make the drive to put my hands on the available options... IF... I had that opportunity only 2 hours from me. Maybe they have a demo that you could try? Have you considered driving up there to visit in person?
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Each of the GTA forums has a size limit for attachments - i think 150KB is the largest photo attachment allowed on the GTA forums, and smaller than than in some of the forum rooms. You can either set your digital camera to a lower resolution to decrease your file size, or you can use your digital imaging software to "export" the very high resolution photos in a low res jpeg format and restrict the size to 800 x 600 px. Most of my pictures are shot with an Olympus E-Volt 400 and the initial file sizes are very large - 5 or 6 MB. I try to crop all my shots, then export the file to the desktop as a low res jpeg with maximum pixel dimension of 1000. This usually gives perfectly adequate resolution for posts, a nice, large picture, and file sizes that are usually around 50 -75KB which post just fine. I am running Mac OS-X 10.5.6 on a Mac AirBook and using iPhoto, but I believe there are similar options on most of the PC-based imaging software programs. Once you have a properly sized photo on the desktop (or any directory/file location you choose), then enter the text of your post and click the box for "Attach a file after posting" in the bottom left of the window then click on submit. Next you will see a window with a dialog box that has a "choose photo" option. Click on that and navigate to the location of the resized image file you want to attach. Click on "choose" and then click on "submit". You can choose and submit multiple photos and edit the order if you wish. Then click on "return to thread" and you are done.
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Jonny's got a great point Paul. I wasn't clever enough to see where you lived. Take the drive from Tucson to Gilbert and vist AoA. They will let you inspect and shoot any of the rifles they have in the store. What a great opportunity and solves a lot of your pre-purchase angst.
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My approach is simple.
I have it sighted for zero-zero at 15 yards, Low Power. I use that to (literally) plink flies w/ confidence out to ~30 yards since I'm only 1-fly high at midcourse. (I have mucho fly-power for mucho-mucho flies w/ that arrangement.)
I have the combined Low/MediumHigh Power trajectories taped to the (synthetic) stock. If/when I want more (power/range) I just move the power lever to closest probable range and adjust for any difference using +/- 1 Mil-Dot windage. I can relaibly be within a 1/4 inch all the way out to 60 yards that way.
post: I actually went out and calibrated the the BC for the Heavy JSB pellet by shooting at several different known ranges w/ known muzzle velocities, and then matching a best-fit ChairGun curve by entering assumed BCs until I got a curve match. That determined the true BC, ...and at that point the curves all fell into place for all Powers. It's been pretty relaible.
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Thanks Johnny and PeakChick. I'll call them and see if they will let me do that. Let you know after I call.
Thanks again,
Paul
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It`s like the age old question.....who do you save from drowning if you can only save one? Your wife or your child?
That`s a really hard decision. I LUV them both. Both are .22 10-shot repeaters, very accurate and gives 40 shots at high power. The AA410s carbine is lighter and shorter and have adjustable power...so I can go to the lowest setting and shoot maybe 60+ shots. And walk around in the bush for hours without feeling fatiqued. But on high power it`s louder than the Scorpion T-10. The T-10 have more velocity/power due to it`s longer barrel....but no power adjustment....so it`s high power all the time.....gives 40 hard shots, but so quiet due to the bull barrel (I think)....that it`s like the sound of someone spitting (I`m not exaggerating). For me the premiem is on quietness....so I would choose the BSA Scorpion T-10.
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By comparison, my AA S410 ERB .22 with full-sized shrouded barrel is a littel quieter than my BSA Scorpion Carbine .177 with shrouded barrel. So I conclude that perhaps it is the carbine / short barrel, and not the BSA vs AA model that accounts to some degree for the difference. And in general, for the same rifle, the .22 should be just a bit quieter than the .177 (I have been told). But in my experience, the difference in how loud the AA-S410 is vs. the BSA Scorpion is not that much, and probably not enough to be the deciding factor if you like one rifle better than the other. And for that matter, having shot Gene's FX Cyclone, it isn't very loud, either.
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Yes I think so too....a longer shrouded barrel will/might lower the noise level. Boy, we sure are making PelletPaul`s head spinning ha ha. So Many Guns...So Less Time!!!!
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I think PelletPaul should buy one of each, but then he will stil be left with the thorny problem of whether or not to get the full barrel length version or the carbine, and in which caliber.
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Ok I could not hold back any longer... I pulled the trigger and hope to be squeezing the trigger of my First PCP shortly! I made the best choice based on what the fine folks here provided as well as some info I have gathered with some other searching. I will post pictures as soon as IT arrives... ;)
I love the looks of a fine sporter rifle and the benefits of SELECTION, the accuracy and details that this one offers. .22 PCP coming soon!
Paul good luck with your selection...
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Congratulations! I bet you feel like a kid on Christmas morning. Now the days will be longer as you await the arrival of your new PCP. I read your post twice and did not see WHAT you bought. Is it a secret? I bet I can guess? Cyclone. Have you bought your support for it?
Paul
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Hi Paul.
Actually I ordered a AA 410 Walnut. After all the reviews and my personal opinion of which I favored the most. I just could not talk myself out of the AA 410. The Cyclone was a very high consideration, but I just love the looks of the 410. I see everyone favored them fairly equally, and I'm sure that either of them I would be extremely happy with. I have a local buddy that is a field target shooter that is going to let me borrow one of his tanks for a while. The other high on my list was the BSA R-10 with those new features, but the June delivery that I read on the yellow forum completely shut that idea down. I know it is sad to already be thinking of a second purchase, but if I like this PCP stuff as much as I believe I will... The R-10 is going to be on my birthday list ideas... ;-)
How about you? Have you made a date to go visit AOA? If I were not geographically challenged, I would make that type of drive myself for a visit. I know myself it was very difficult to spend this kind of money on an Airgun that I have never touched... I know it would have probably been a good idea for me to visit a local Field shoot, but I just could not match up my schedule to make one of the shoots to visit. But that is another idea for you to visit a field target shoot to take a look at a few different options. I have heard in addition to the super field setups there are some guys that will go out with the type of Airguns we are looking at. But again, I have no clue, just reading results to see those flavors being shot near me.
Good luck... Let us know what you choose? As I said, I dont think any of there would be a bad decision. I'm sure they are all fantastic PCP's.
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HW100T. Without a doubt.
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Evanix AR6 O yer thats right got one then a
Daystate air ranger or any thing that dosn't look like a star wars prop
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Congrats, Johnny. Let us know when it gets here and how it shoots. Try it out at the lower power settings too. I am interested to hear you opinion.
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....that all the talk of PCP's sucked another into the "DARK SIDE".....heh heh.
When Johnny wrote he pushed da button on one of them....my first thought were Cyclone, AA410or the T-10....all very accurate pcp's in the mid-price range...multi-shots and gives 40+ shots. Congrats on your new purchase.
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Outstanding Johnny. What a beautiful gun in walnut. The PCP (Darksiders) crowd will be proud especially PeakChick. They converted another springer and they are about to convert me also. I will await for the owner of AOA to return from Florida Tuesday and make arraignments to spend a day in Gilbert, AZ shooting what they let me shoot. Meantime I will start looking for my support, scope, air tank etc.
What scope are you putting on her? Now there is a whole new world when you talk about, scoping. I've been shopping the yellow and there is scopes I never heard off. Heck you can spend as much money on a scope as you do on a gun if you want. I need to understand a little more about scopes. I have scopes for my springer but nothing like they put on PCP's. I will be going from a Volkswagen to a Lexus.
I will retire in 3 months from building missiles for 28 years at Raytheon formally Hughes Aircraft Company. My wife and I will travel across this great nation in a fifth wheel, so my air guns must be in order for the trip. Then off to Costa Rica for four months. They government will let me bring my pellet guns with me. So I'll be hunting in the jungles of Costa Rica. So I need the best PCP I can find.
Again Johnny Congratulations on your new purchase of a AA 410 in Walnut.
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Daystate Air Wolf, not the FAC version. The 12 ft. lb. version.
Regulated by computer, you would not believe how many good shots you can get from one of them before you have to recharge.
Pin point accuracy. I don't like the stocks that much but I think that is a matter of taste. The Brits like them right well, if the magazines I subscribe to tell the truth.
Now if price DID matter I'd be looking at a BSA, maybe a nice Ultra or Ultra multi-shot. That would be good for a carbine. If you want a rifle vice a carbine, I'd look at the BSA Scorpion. I think that a lot of folks here like the S410 or S510 rifles.
There are a LOT of nice rifles out there these days. Nobody could afford to evaluate them all.
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erskine - There is a Daystate MK3 for sale on the yellow this morning. I have emailed the person asking about performance and some other things. Retail for $1899 and he wants $1400. Looks to be a few years old. Friday I go to AOA and they said I could shoot any of their guns. I have my choices narrowed down to Daystate's, FX Cyclone and AA S410. I'am a hunter and 12fpe does not work for me.
P
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It's available in 35, 50 or 80 FT/lb versions. I recommend callingl Robert( Airguns of Arizona) at (480) 461-1113. He can give you all the options for the best type of gun, you're looking for. I deal with him personally and have the upmost respect in him, or any of the staff there .Oops, didn't read your last post. Can't go wrong.
Ric G
Chandler AZ
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And maybe get the 400cc air tube than the 500....less front heavy but of course with a few less shots.
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I like lots of shots. P