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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Classified => : C.A.P January 24, 2009, 01:33:53 PM

: Metal RWS Diana TO5 triggers. DROP IN !
: C.A.P January 24, 2009, 01:33:53 PM

Well after some complaints  of my own and others. I am proud to offer a few RWS metal Triggers. They can be had in black matte or polished metal. If interested PM me ! I have a few here now and will be able to get more if needed.  These are drop in for the TO5 trigger. No modding at all. One pin and its on. Not only does it give your rifle that custom look it feels better on the finger. I have tuned these triggers to 1 lb with ease. NO FLEX like the plastic.

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: Cougar January 24, 2009, 02:33:17 PM

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: Gene_SC January 24, 2009, 03:10:41 PM

I have never felt any flex with a plastic Diana trigger. I hope this mod is truly safe CAP. I would think the only advantage would be that it is metal and not plastic. Are you making these yourself or having someone else make them for you? Are you testing these blades before you are shipping them?

They look good CAP, just concerned of the safety issue.

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: Phil_B January 24, 2009, 11:50:55 PM

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: Phil_B January 25, 2009, 05:38:54 AM

The boys over at the DW would eat these up..  How much $$$ are you asking I may need 1-2-3....

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: GoodOlRWS45 January 25, 2009, 05:52:41 AM

makes me wonder why RWS didn't make them in metal to begin with.

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: CharlieDaTuna January 25, 2009, 03:01:38 PM

I too have never felt any "flex" in the trigger other than the pivot play and for all intent and purposes there really isn't anything wrong with the RWS plastic trigger other than the ergonomics of it. It's just the concept of it being plastic. It is easier and far less expensive to manufacture it by plastic injection molding rather than a truly CNC machined precision part. Several people have made them in the past but had little success mostly because of inconsistant or poor quality plus the time and cost involved and found that it wasn't worth it.

 I have had quite a few people ask me if I have them available or if I  were ever going to make them over the years . In fact a couple of years ago we did a basic lay it out and programmed it for CNC machining and were able to tighten up the tolerances on it considerably and it did make a little improvement overall.  We made a couple dozen but never followed through with it because to do it right it's not an inexpensive thing to do.  I felt that there was no real distinct advantage, gain or value to the customer other than the fact that it was metal rather than plastic and with that in mind  I held off.

 I do still give it some thought from time to time though and it was brought up again just a few weeks ago and I still get requests quite often.  I also have a pretty long customer waiting list in the event that I ever would start to make them in the future. In fact Gene asked my to give it some thought again a couple of weeks ago. Who knows....????  :)  8)  8)  One thing for sure... it wouldn't take long to do a little redesigning to improve the ergonomics of it and then set up to start the process. Just need to make up the master jigs for mass production. If I were to make them, they would be of the same excellence, quality, workmanship and detail as the GRT-III trigger.

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: TCups January 25, 2009, 04:09:54 PM

I have a Paul Watts tuned Diana 34 Panther with an near match-grade plastic trigger that I can assure you, with absolute certainly, is not a "toy".  When I put this one to my shoulder, the last thing I think about -- no that's wrong -- one thing I NEVER think about is what the trigger is made of, plastic or otherwise.  What I think about is that I am about to hit exactly where I am aiming.  And I just traded off a Diana 48 / .20 cal to Johnny Quest with another custom trigger job done on a rifle with a plastic trigger that is superb.  So I show you, here, two guns that, except in the sense of a grown man's "toy", are very serious air rifles and excellent shooters with plastic triggers.  But good luck with your trigger replacements.  I am sure it is a matter of preference if not function.

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: 3n00n January 25, 2009, 04:11:07 PM

Just like the plastic triggerWalther LGR or plastic triggerFWB 300, I like the plastic Diana 75Utrigger shoe, too. The sporter rifles work quite well, also though . . .

So! Whadda ya know? Thought triggers just can't be any good, unless they're made of metal . . . (http://../images/emoticons/frown.gif)

Whuwooddathunkkit?(http://../images/emoticons/surprise.gif)

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: TCups January 25, 2009, 04:16:41 PM

Oops.  J is right!  Here is the link to the Walther LGR-U, an Olympic class target rifle, and another or my toys.

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=11311&posts=14&highlight=walther%20LGR-U&highlightmode=1#M88056

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: Gene_SC January 25, 2009, 04:22:34 PM

Ya CAP, I think that is exactly what he is saying..:)

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: TCups January 25, 2009, 04:36:12 PM

Hey, CAP, not mob concern, bro.  Just saying that I have some very fine air guns with plastic triggers.  The notion that plastic trigger = cheap air rifle is just incorrect.  But to be sure, there may be those who much prefer a metal trigger.  That's fine too.  That's all.

: My 2 Cents,,,
: Timmyj1959@yahoo.com January 25, 2009, 04:43:54 PM

(Take it at Face Value:) The GRT111 trigger is a drop in replacement that fits MANY airguns that may or may not have potential to become fine shooters. (IMO most airguns it fits in fall in the "able" catagory).  Be it known,,,, other than the fact that "Mr. Bob" is a personal Friend of mine,,, I have,, in NO way any fiscal interest in my own PERSONAL opinions stated here.  The GRT111 trigger  fits many of what many consider "low end" springer guns. (Many may call them "Diamonds in the Rough") Ihave owned MANY of these type guns. The OEM triggers on these guns in most cases are,,,,, well,,,, HORIBLE to say the least. (It would be hard in most cases to design worse).  The GRT 111 trigger changes these type guns,,,,, all of a sudden,, you have a truly adjustable trigger,,two stage adjustment,,,nice predictable pull,,,all of a sudden,,, you KNOW when your gun is gonna fire!!  ( I just layed my finger on one today)  Im not postin this as to the greatness of the GRT111 trigger,,everyone "in the know" knows about em. My point is,,,(Man did I get sidetracted). Lots of Folks get all worked up about the Diana plastic triggers. Everyone that REALLY knows me here knows I am a Diana fan. (RWS for those that call em that,,RWS is the exporter,,,Diana makes em) Ihave NEVER had ANY problem with Diana "plastic" triggers. If,,,,however,,,"Mr Bob" ever decides to spend the tens of thousands of dollars it will MOST CERTAINLY take to develop,,,, a SAFE,,,,RELIABLE,,,ASTHETICLY PLEASING,, Trigger for Diana guns,,,, rest assured,,,,,Im gonna get one with a really low serial # on it. In the mean time,,,,I will just be happy with my T-01,s & T-05,s!!  Now,,,,,,I gotta work on gettin back my old Diana 24!! :p   Just my 2 cents. Tim.

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: Timmyj1959@yahoo.com January 25, 2009, 04:50:15 PM

As usual,,,,My one finger typin butt cant keep up,,,,,,,,,,,,,see my post above,,,"My 2 cents".  Not tryin to "stirr the pot" so to speak,,,,,, Just wanted to contribute to an otherwise "healthy debate"  :o  Tim.

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: tjk January 25, 2009, 11:38:19 PM

I never was too keen on the Diana's plastic trigger myself. But after a while, I just got used to it. As a matter of fact,....the one thing I don't like about it is the slight side to side "play" in it. I'm not sure if this could even be remedied with a steel/alum trigger. My trigger finger placement on the Diana is between the pad of my finger tip and the first knuckle,....this  position has given me the most consistant 'feel', groupings, and accuracy. Seems like this trigger finger placement varies on every one of my rifles. If there was one thing I would like to see improved on the stock Diana triggers,...it would be something like a checking pattern etched/scribed for a little additional added grip. I do like the straighter blade configuration as opposed to a more curved shaped triggers in general. Bro' DerekinMinn has turned me unto the idea of using an after-market trigger assist, called 'the EZ-pull" trigger. I might give that a try on my "non GRT-III accepting" rifles. They claim to lighten the trigger pull so it might be worth a "shot"!!!! lol's Sorry CAP,....don't mean to deter anyone from your DI trig,...because it is a legitamite concept and I wish you success. Just my thoughts from my personal experience with the Diana tigger. tjk

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: shootist January 26, 2009, 12:04:31 AM

Having tuned a number of Diana TO1 & TO5 triggers, the only advantage I can see IS personal preference. After a tuning on these triggers, they are exceptional, truly my favorite trigger. Don't get me wrong, the GRT-lll does a remarkable job for the lower end rifles, almost can't do without them. I will continue to install GRT-lll on these guns. But the TO1 and the TO5 with a tune has a very distinct 2nd stage where the GRT-lll has none. Just my opinion. Lee

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: shootist January 26, 2009, 12:09:05 AM

PS - You still haven't said how much for these triggers.

: The GOLD trigger can be adjusted very fine!
: 3n00n January 26, 2009, 12:44:45 AM

I've got GOLD triggers herethat'd knock yer socks off, too . . . (http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cool.gif)

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: CharlieDaTuna January 26, 2009, 02:24:07 AM

The guys are right.... there are many very high quality expensive guns including pro-target and competition shooting guns out there using a plastic trigger with outstanding results and you don't hear complaints about them.

Like I stated above and so many others have confirmed, unless the trigger is modified for improvement in some way and not just a copy of the plastic trigger, and unless it's just a matter of dislike for the plastic, I really see nor do most others any value in or advantage in switching to a metal trigger. I suppose if one could be bought for $10.00 or so, maybe less, it might be something to consider but the buyer should not expect to see any improvement.

You have to give the customer/consumer something for his money. If some major changes or even some minor changes were made in the trigger to improve it, then that puts it in a different game. One of the things that has made the GRT-III the success that it has become is in the ergonomics. That is extremely important even in a trigger with a light trigger pull and the trigger pull is the same with every pull and you don't need to even think about it. But that takes time and money for the R&D to make the improvements and can become a bit expensive. Believe me, I know. And if we were to develope an upgrade trigger for the RWS, and we could, it would not be an inexpensive part but at the same time would be reasonable.

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: RedFeather January 26, 2009, 03:09:55 AM

Is CAP a regular poster bringing something new and possibly nice to the attention of everyone or is this a promo? So far, no price, here or on the Diana Werke.   Who is making these triggers?

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: leftcoast1 January 26, 2009, 04:05:24 AM

CAP is a newer member but, if you read his last post he was making this a dead issue because of the back lash he received. I can't stand the plastic triggers in the RWS guns reguardless of the price tag or competition status. I just don't like the feel of it. I have already received a price and color availablity. I'm just waiting on payment type CAP needs and it's a done deal. I will let you all know how it turns out.

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: TCups January 26, 2009, 05:26:35 AM

I am sorry if my post is considered backlash-ish.  Just sensitive about having some of my best air rifles classified as toys, I guess.

Would it not be more appropriate for CAP to post the offer for replacement triggers in the Classifieds if this is a personal offering, or in the Bargain Gate (with price) if it is an item available from a third party vendor, rather than to enjoin a debate over triggers and air rifle quality in the AirGun gate?

: BOY AM I SORRY !
: Big_Bill January 26, 2009, 06:11:40 AM

I didn't intend to start such a heated discussion on metal triggers !

A year or so ago, I picked up and RWS 34, after reading what a great hunter it is, after I put up to my shoulder, and slipped my finger into the trigger guard, I knew something was wrong. it felt wrong, and was if I was shooting an old Corsman with the plastic trigger. After checking, it was a plastic trigger! Now I havent fired one, and I'm not saying that these are not good and fine triggers, as many have given fine testimonials to the quality of the RWS trigger.

All that I can say is after shooting for years, and all but the less expensive guns that I have experience with, having metal triggers, I dislike the feel and the thought of triggers being made of anything but metal ...

Now Mike6762 had a 350 tuned by Bob, CDT up for sale, and those two facts made me want it real bad ! But I couldn't overcome my phobia of plastic, and I wanted a fine airgun that had been tuned by Bob :)

Well it's sold, and my stressful situation is over, until next time !

But before I would buy a metal trigger without reviews, of questionable origins, it would have to be cheap, unless Bob was selling it ! Then I would know that I was getting theVERY BEST !

Just wanted to explain why I sorta started all this :)

Bill

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: miked6762 January 26, 2009, 06:22:09 AM

Hey Bill. I didn't know you were looking at my old 350. I say old because it's all double boxed here on the floor, waiting to be shipped. -didn't mean to cause you all that stress!  It's killing me to part with it. When I bought it from Roger, I thought I'd have it forever. You know there must be a REALLY good reason for me to part with it.  While looking for a new .20 springer, something else kinda fell into my lap. (No, I was not at a bar.) I'll let you guys know when she arrives!

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: Gene_SC January 26, 2009, 06:42:48 AM

Hey CAP, I am moving your Post to the GTA Classified Section. That is were buyers and sellers peddle there products. We may have been a bit harsh on you but lets see how your post does in the Classifieds. Our Classifieds are in many of the other related sites links so you can get more coverage from here.

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: howie1a January 26, 2009, 08:03:52 AM

The funny thing about cheaper rifles having plastic triggers is most of the cheaper rifles I have run into have metal triggers all my china rifles have metal triggers and my RWS 92 which is made in spain has a metal trigger the only plastic trigger guns I have had is the winchester rifles and they have a screw running up through the center and I think it's only their so the plastic  doesn't ware out.I think a metal trigger in a fine rifle like a RWS is a must I can't see why the RWS co. put's a plastic trigger in their rifles.Great job in finding a metal trigger.

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: RedFeather January 26, 2009, 10:41:40 AM

Bill, I axed those links.  Don't know why, but could not post from Photobucket.  Seems to happen every now and then on this forum, and not just to me.  The box was not checked.

Metal triggers aren't the be-all, end-all and certainly don't denote quality.  As mentioned, look at the low end Chinese guns with their stamped triggers.  Stamped steel triggers were predecessors to plastic ones, anyway.  As long as it works, what difference does it make?  I would rather have a decent plastic trigger than a crappy metal one, any day.  And, if the look or feel is a concern, get a trigger shoe like the ones for paintball guns.  Come in a variety of colors, too, to suit your tastes.

I just wonder why everything about these triggers has to be addressed in emails?  Are they THAT expensive?

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: swynn January 26, 2009, 11:48:56 AM

I'll take one..........Email Sent....Shelby

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: WVscott January 26, 2009, 12:46:01 PM

I emailed CAP twice and never got a response.  Can someone that did get a response tell me how much they are?
       thanks, Scott

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: only1harry January 26, 2009, 01:30:13 PM

Anyone check for BOI feedback?

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: Cougar January 27, 2009, 12:39:56 PM

Pm sent  Cougar

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: Nova January 28, 2009, 08:44:26 AM

I just took my Ruger Air Hawk apart to replace a broken spring, and noticed it has a metal trigger, (aluminum). These rifles are said to be a Diana 34 copy, and the trigger group looks just like a T05 ,wouldn't that work on a diana? The Air Hawk is sure nuff a cheap gun..but metal trigger. Just sayin'.

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: X-Pilot February 19, 2009, 03:17:16 AM

I just found this site this morning I have a RWS 46 and wanted to see if there was a solution to the trigger issue. I found it here and have ordered a replacement from C.A.P. what a great guy to work with!

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: 70GTvert February 23, 2009, 07:14:50 AM

Are we putting price caps on items deemed to be decorative now? If so, when can I see some of those $10 muzzle breaks that can purty up the end of my barrel but not too much else?

It seems there are those here who agree with C.A.P.’s initial statement even as others, who should at least review the product, first, do not agree.

If that is the only grounds for giving a negative slant on an item, that there are obviously those who do not think it is needed, then at what point do we stop this? Or do we go the way of other forums?

To be truly fair when giving statements about the necessity of some aftermarket part, the only “educated” information that “experts” should give out is that which they have garnered via testing said item for any presented claims, otherwise we should let feedback from those who DO use it speak for itself. It will become clear in short order if some bling item makes an item unsafe or there are unsubstantiated claims of performance enhancement.

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: Cougar February 27, 2009, 03:15:07 PM

I just got mine and all i can say is SWEET.     Cougar

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: Magnum March 04, 2009, 03:09:36 PM

Hi Cap, I have a rws 350 mag and would love a metal trigger.Black is good with me if no polioshed.  Pm me and let me know how much.. I may get 2 one for my mod34. Thanks, Tony.

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: brianag618 March 04, 2009, 04:40:15 PM

I just recieved my T05 trigger mod up grade, and it took all of 5 minutes to install and adjust it, in my new RWS Model 54. I believe Chris is on to something here, unlike most metal triggers that have finger groves cut into the trigger blade his mod does not. This gives it a nice clean feel to the trigger when firing it, and lets your finger slide accross the blade at the same time. I am neither a fan of Plastic or Metal triggers, I just want something that feels good under my finger when shooting, add to that, that I have already upgradeed the power chamber, the RWS 54 is turning into on of the best guns of any kind I have ever fired. Add in Chris's trigger mod, I do not see how I can make this a better or smother shooter then she has already turned into. Just like a lovley lady, take care of her, give her what she wants and she will purr like a kitten with each and every round fired. Good Luck Chris, and thanks for the 1st rate and fast servie. Brian Goodloff

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: swynn March 04, 2009, 11:27:06 PM

HA C.A.P.

I'd just like to add that after a light sand to the shelf,
I used my drimel tool and polishing compound and put
a fine finish on it......Mine didn't seem to need any
shimming in the housing.......Shot it till it was to dark
to see last night.....awsome trigger....
TNX for rekendling an old friend ship....I put the
condor to the the side and have been shooting
Miss Diania ,sence upgrading to 34DMT.

Shelby

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: CHUCKMATLOCK March 06, 2009, 06:14:21 AM

so what is the price?

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: czarjam November 07, 2009, 04:14:46 AM

PM sent

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: cnsjones November 07, 2009, 05:11:54 AM

Welps, Bob, if YOU DO IT, I WANT one!

Fuller

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: Gene_SC November 08, 2009, 09:41:39 AM

You guys can order this metql trigger from Umarex..:)

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: ka3ypu November 16, 2009, 05:29:14 AM

How much? Thanks!
Hung

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: leftcoast1 November 16, 2009, 06:04:27 AM

For those interested in this product will have to try CAP on the airgun1 forum. He no longer visits this forum.

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: Gene_SC November 16, 2009, 06:18:32 AM

You guys can buy that trigger from Umerex..:)  It is a clone trigger off the Ruger Air Hawk..