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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => The Shop => : Scooter February 14, 2009, 02:09:07 PM

: What are people using for lathes?
: Scooter February 14, 2009, 02:09:07 PM
I'm looking into mini-lathes / mills and I'd like to know what size is necessary for working on airgun internals.

I've got a B3 on order to learn on, :D  I'd like to get a lathe to goof off with - make shorter pins for my RWS 34 trigger assy to hold it together when I look inside that gun...maybe a custom endcap to replace the plastic one.

I just want to fart around and I don't want to order a 7x10 if I need a 14 to work on guides. :o  Any and all help/advice/rambling is appreciated!

Scot
: Re: What are people using for lathes?
: RCnMo February 14, 2009, 02:26:37 PM
7x12 is big enough for most airgun parts. I haven't had to fire up my 13x40 for any a/g parts.
: Re: What are people using for lathes?
: Scooter February 15, 2009, 12:11:14 AM
Thank you RC.
: Re: What are people using for lathes?
: kiwi February 15, 2009, 10:43:38 AM
just make sure you get one with a spindle bore big enough
for what you intend to put in it.
the one with a 20mm will do most of what yer want but are
a wee bit to small really 26mm would be a better choice.
And some small lathes don't have a compound slide "the one
used for turning tapers"

So really.....Get the biggest one you can for the money you want to spend.
: Re: What are people using for lathes?
: jct842 February 15, 2009, 05:56:40 PM
I have a cumins 7x12     and a harbor freight micro mill.   I have built complete valves and breaches with my set up.  john
: Re: What are people using for lathes?
: Scooter February 18, 2009, 10:25:22 AM
Thanks to everyone for the information!

Scot
: Re: What are people using for lathes?
: Gene_SC February 18, 2009, 12:18:30 PM
I have a 10.5X26 Travers Lathe, With a 1 1/16th inch hole through. Works great for me.
: Re: What are people using for lathes?
: Scooter February 18, 2009, 12:48:45 PM
Much thanks Gene!
: 7x12 Mini-Lathe from Toolsnow or Harbor Freight
: hyounker February 18, 2009, 01:23:22 PM
Scot,

You and I have been thinking along the same lines.  I've been doing some research and have found this website to be very informative:

http://www.mini-lathe.com/

Interestingly enough, I learned that the 7x12 is actually 50% longer than the 7x10.  The 7x10 is actually a 7x8 if measured the same way the 7x12 is measured.  I have eliminated the 7x10 as a possibility for airgun parts.  The short length is especially troublesome if you plan to drill into the end of your manufactured piece where the drill bit will take up a large portion of the length.

I am seriously considered the following:

http://www.toolsnow.com/browse.cfm/4,876.html

This is the same Chinese lathe sold by many, including Harbor Freight, but includes a better package, including a 5 piece cutting tool kit from Tools Now.  All these lathes are manufactured by the Sieg Company in China.  Surprisingly enough, the machine shop that I lease some warehouse space from has two older, much larger lathes that are made by Sieg.  I am assuming it is the same company.

If you are not in a hurry, Tools Now often has free shipping offers or other discounts.  Or they may have a truckload sale coming near you.  Expect some sheet metal damage if you have it shipped.

Don't forget to add a couple B3s to your order!!!

I have talked to others here that have these lathes and they are very happy with them.  Maybe they will chime in here with some reviews?

Good Luck.

: Re: What are people using for lathes?
: jct842 February 18, 2009, 01:27:12 PM
I did a lot of reading before I bought my cummins which is the same lathe, just that cummins changed their name to toolsnow.    it is still the best value, most lathe you can get for less than $500.  harbor after you buy the included accessories will be way more than 500 and is half the lathe.
: RE: 7x12 Mini-Lathe from Toolsnow or Harbor Freight
: Scooter February 18, 2009, 01:35:05 PM
Awesome advice Henry!

I've been drooling over the same sites as you :D

I found a "small" South Bend lathe (8x25, the owner thinks) disassembled for $450.  I am also looking at http://www.sherline.com ; I'm a stickler for US - made anything if I can find it, but it is very basic and the part$ really add up.  They have sweet combo deal for a 3.5x17 lathe and a 12" base vertical mini mill for $2400. http://www.sherline.com/images/6000c.jpg

Right now, we're going through some rough times at work (my wife and I are both engineers for GM).  We're a bit worried about the latest 47,000 job cuts just announced, though that sherline setup will be in my dreams for awhile.

So many choices, so little money! :)

Scot
: Re: What are people using for lathes?
: ShadowShot February 18, 2009, 02:30:07 PM
So, what are they used for? Please excuse my ignorance.
: RE: 7x12 Mini-Lathe from Toolsnow or Harbor Freight
: hyounker February 18, 2009, 02:58:50 PM
Scot,

I hear ya loud and clear.  I haven't pulled the trigger on buying one yet because I'm just a little worried about where my money is going now.

That Sherline looks very well made.  And I understand the "made in the USA" thing!  But for under $500 bucks, I may need to look to China!

Keep us posted on your decision!
: Re: What are people using for lathes?
: hyounker February 18, 2009, 03:08:16 PM
Paul,

Here's some threads that demonstrate some lathe work:

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=12857&posts=20#M113717

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=14346&mid=116587#M116587

Hope this helps.
: Re: What are people using for lathes?
: ShadowShot February 18, 2009, 03:13:18 PM
Thanks.
I can use the schooling.
: Re: What are people using for lathes?
: davee1 February 19, 2009, 08:37:22 AM
I got one of those ToolsNow models...the 7x12 mini-lathe, model #5278.It was last year.I picked it up at a truck sale so I didn't have to worry about shipping damage...and I was able to inspect it on the spot. I waited way too long to buy it (few years), always waiting for a better deal, or something. When I finally got it, I realized all that I had been missing. Like the ability to make simple custom spring guides out of Delrin for example. These things are easy to use, solid, comes with the most accessories, and you can start makin stuff just with the accessories that it comes with...but I ended up buying a few other things from the www.littlemachineshop.com (http://www.littlemachineshop.com/) site. My advice to you is that if you have the money, buy one. The price has only gone up over the years, just like everything else. I think my mini-lathe is awesome. I spend hours and hours out in the garage playing around with it...getting to know its capabilities. My favorite power tool.
: Re: What are people using for lathes?
: 70GTvert February 19, 2009, 10:41:13 AM
Try E - Bay, they have a few listed
: RE: What are people using for lathes?
: hyounker February 22, 2009, 12:00:36 PM
Hey Scot,

I found this listing on eBay by ToolsNow:

http://cgi.ebay.com/5278-Mini-Metal-Lathe-7-x-12_W0QQitemZ390032120539QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item390032120539&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A50#ShippingPayment

The lathe is $25 cheaper than their website price, and shipping to me is $5 cheaper than their website price.  A total savings of $30 for me puts this lathe, shipped, at $485, versus their website price of $515.

: RE: What are people using for lathes?
: Scooter February 23, 2009, 12:22:33 PM
Not bad. :)