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: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: RJMcElwain April 13, 2009, 08:17:48 AM
This the normal combo scope. I got mine last fall, and it was doing fine until recently. Suddenly, it would move six inches off bulls-eye. I'd adjust it back and then, after a few shots, have to un-adjust it back the other direction. Then it would settle down for awhile. Has anyone else run into this? And should I chalk it up as a cheap lesson and buy a good scope?
: Re: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: CO_AirGunner April 13, 2009, 08:54:03 AM
The scope that comes with the Whisper plain sucks.  After only about 100 shots (a few days with the rifle), my original scope wouldn't go past 4x.  Looking through the scope, it appeared that something had been jarred loose inside.  Gamo sent me a replacement without any trouble, and so far it has worked OK, though it has only been a few months and about 800 shots, so we'll see how long it lasts.

I plan to eventually get a Leapers or CenterPoint.  You might want to consider the same.
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: airiscool April 13, 2009, 10:38:35 AM
RJ,

Your not alone..

Take a look here,....
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16043&mid=131850#M131850


And here,....
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16043&mid=132000#M132000

New scope made the problem disapear for me.

Paul.
: Re: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: gamo2hammerli April 13, 2009, 12:50:37 PM
Most of the "Package deals" come with a cheap scope and maybe even a cheap mount.  So don't worry.....they can fail in a few shots or up to 1000s of shots.  All my "package" scopes have lasted past 1500 shots....some are still going strong.  If it's still under warranty....send the scope back and hope to get a better one....
The cheapy scope that came with my Crosman Sierra Pro died after 1000+ shots.....and it had the same problem as you described.....shots would randomly move....a few good groups here and than the POI would change.....a dozen excellent shots and then the POI would change again.  Pain in the you know what.....

The cheapy mounts have been solid for me so far......knock on wood.
: Re: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: RJMcElwain April 13, 2009, 02:00:19 PM


Co Airgunner,



It sounds like you dealt directly with Gamo? I think I need to try that. This is actually my second Whisper. With the first one, the scope died within a few hundred shots and Cabela's replaced the whole thing. However, since I've put several hundred pellets through this one, I'd prefer to replace just the scope if I can. I think I'll try calling Gamo.



And it sounds like everyone has had the same problem. If Gamo can't help, I guess I can call it a cheap lesson and buy a better scope.

: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: snatch April 13, 2009, 03:20:59 PM
Robert what you've described is the exact same thing that happened to mine. In my case it wasn't the scope at all, but I'm not going to rule that out because they don't put the best scopes on them. What ended up being wrong was the pin in the bottom of the 1 piece scope mount was digging into the scope mounting rail due to the recoil. I didn't think to check the screws but things were moving.
I searched everywhere for a tougher mounting rail but the only thing I came up with was the stock replacement directly from Gamo.
I would check to confirm that nothing is moving, if not then you know that it's your scope. Replacing the scope is not a bad idea anyway, I went with a Leapers and a new 1 piece Accushot mount. It seems to be working well so far. Good luck.
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: Dehouser April 13, 2009, 03:32:57 PM
Echoing the crowd, here.  My Hunter Elite has new glass and a new mount, both from Hawke Optics.  Everything is solid, as it should be.  The Gamo setup has been relegated to intermittent duty on my (much) lower powered springer for plinking.
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: airiscool April 13, 2009, 11:32:17 PM
On mine (bought in Febuary), the pin in the scope mount rail  didn't leave so much as a burr on the edge of the hole. I had made sure the mount and spacer rail  screws were very tight and lock-tite-ed when I got it.

The problem is that it's such a cheap scope that comes with the gun. I'm not fond of 'package guns' because a cheap scope is usually all that's used, but I couldn't get the gun without the scope. I'd just as soon they didn't bother including a scope. I'd rather put whatever Gamo spends on that scope toward a good one.

Even if I could be sure a replacement scope would hold up, since the plasic lenses are so distorted, I'm not sure it's worth the trouble of getting another from Gamo.  I don't like scopes that make it look like there's 'heat mirage' outdoors when it's only 30 degrees.

To get the scope closer to bore center line, and also have one less thing to worry about, I took that silly spacer rail off.  

Since the one-piece scope mount  is made rather well, I used that  when I put the old Tasco on. I don't know about earlier ones, but this  one-piece scope mount also has a pin that fit  into a hole in the spacer rail. Turned end-for-end and with the pin threaded up into the mount a bit more so it wouldn't catch on the piston, it lined up with the hole in the gun right where I needed it to. Since that worked out so well, I can't understand why Gamo would use that spacer ????

Anyway, it works great now !!!

Paul.
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: dnttech April 14, 2009, 12:39:42 AM
The trashy 3x9x40 scope on the Gamo is only exceeded in "junk factor" by their absolutely worthless trigger.  Do yourself a favor and get rid of the Gamo scope before you find yourself going insane.  While you're at it, save your pennies and when you can spare 32 bucks, get a GRT-III trigger.
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: dnttech April 14, 2009, 12:52:28 AM
Dan, what is your opinion of the Hawke scope.  I just used my last Centerpoint and only have one Leapers left.  I wanted to pick up a couple of more scopes and have read some good things about Hawke.  Just wondering what your take on them is....
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: RJMcElwain April 14, 2009, 02:03:46 AM


Thanks a lot for all the great information and confirmation of my suspicions. I'm pretty certain the mount hasn't moved because I snugged it down pretty tight and used Lock-tite on all the screws. And, the way it goes off zero just doesn't match with what I'd expect from scope creep. I think I'll call Gamo and see what they have to say. It that doesn't satisfy, I'll be getting a new scope with a different brand.



OTOH, when the scope was on target it was a great tree rat getter and tack driver.



Bob

: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: Dehouser April 14, 2009, 04:52:05 AM
dnttech - 4/14/2009  6:52 AM

Dan, what is your opinion of the Hawke scope.  I just used my last Centerpoint and only have one Leapers left.  I wanted to pick up a couple of more scopes and have read some good things about Hawke.  Just wondering what your take on them is....


Hi Robert,
                 Bearing in mind that I have only had the scope on the Gamo for a few weeks, I am very happy with it.  I did use it on a much milder springer that I own for a few months without any trouble.  The spring slam from my Hunter Elite is viscious, so I can't say how well the scope will hold up in the long term, but so far, all is roses.  FYI, I have the HD version in 3-9X40 and the 1-piece medium mount.
Hope this is useful.
: Re: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: RJMcElwain April 14, 2009, 05:11:22 AM
FYI All,

I just talked to Gamo (I think I was talking to someone in India)  and all they will do is replace what I've got with another one just like it. Since I've  got a couple of gift certificates from Cabela's, it looks like I'll be making a trip to their store shortly.

Bob
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: airiscool April 14, 2009, 08:01:22 AM
Thanks RJ,
That's what I figured Gamo would say. Probaly cost me more to ship it back than the scope is worth.

Oh well, at least now, with a better scope and one of Charle's triggers in it, I can see what to hit, and it hits what I see.

Paul.
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: Boz April 14, 2009, 10:00:45 AM
These gamo scopes are, without a doubt, the biggest peices of trash made.  I wouldnt mount a gamo scope to a blow gun.

Wasted many a pellet trying to sight one of these paper weights in.

Save your frustration and get a nice center point or leapers.
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: RJMcElwain April 14, 2009, 01:25:49 PM


Boz - 4/14/2009 5:00 PM These gamo scopes are, without a doubt, the biggest peices of trash made. I wouldnt mount a gamo scope to a blow gun. Wasted many a pellet trying to sight one of these paper weights in. Save your frustration and get a nice center point or leapers.



I keep seeing the Leapers name and I'm not familiar with it. Are there a lot of them out there? Are they a separate brand of another company that is more recognizable. I see their scopes run the price gamut.



Bob

: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: Richie April 15, 2009, 11:43:18 PM
Bob, Gene pointed me to the Tasco Golden Antler, which he owns, and I found it on Netshops for 29.00 and free shipping. 3-9x32
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: airiscool April 16, 2009, 12:11:50 AM
A variable power scope for $29.00 with free shipping? WOW!      

It's been many years since I've bought a scope, and my cheapest Tasco  was still over $100.00. In fact it's the one I have on my Whisper now. Had it on a 20 guage slug gun for many years until I got a Tasco bantum instead. Figured since it's been pounded by shooting 3/4 ounce slugs  and  dropped out of deer stands, how much worse could being on a springer be ????

Even if my Gamo scope hadn't started loosing zero, there was just too much lense distortion  and I couldn't quite get it to focus as well as all my other scopes for me to put up with it. My old eyes have enough trouble without having 'wavy' targets to deal with too.

Can you realy get a decent scope for that little ?????

Paul.
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: dnttech April 16, 2009, 12:39:43 AM
Thanks Dan,

I just ordered a Hawke Eclipse 4x16x50 to see how well it works.  On paper, the Hawke looks like a pretty nice scope...we'll see.
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: Richie April 16, 2009, 01:20:58 AM
Absolutely. Netshops.com
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: agg April 16, 2009, 04:59:08 AM
Just bought one from netshop. Used the promo code QO-4279 for $10 off total price of the scope delivered 18.98.
: Re: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: RJMcElwain April 16, 2009, 12:04:44 PM
Well, as several have said almost all rifle-scope combos include a really cheap scope which is not worth much. I've learned this, hopefully, for the last time. I'll be getting a new scope shortly.

Bob
: Re: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: Richie April 16, 2009, 02:18:17 PM

SCOPE SHIFT [/b]
     This is the No. 1 problem shooters have with scopes. It's also called point-of-impact (POI) shift. There are several reasons for this and none of them are the scope's fault. They're problems that plague mostly new scope users, but they can also crop up when a veteran shooter starts using a scope in a new way. The reasons for scope shift are many, so I'll try to rank them by the commonality of occurrence.
     
     FOR SPRING GUNS ONLY: For spring guns, the No. 1 cause of scope shift is how the gun is held. Certain spring guns are so sensitive that the group impact point can be moved several inches at close range, depending on where the hands are placed and how the stock is held. The reason for this is the vibration patterns that spring guns have when they shoot. Other powerplants don't have these vibrations and cannot react to them. If you own a spring gun and don't hold it exactly the same way for every shot, you can expect poor accuracy and scope shift all the time. The solution is to develop one hold and memorize it so you always apply it.
 

      1. Parallax
 This is generally the most common cause of "scope shift" for all air rifles (with the exception of hold sensitivity for spring guns, mentioned above). I put the quotes around the phrase, because it isn't the scope that is shifting...it's the shooter! New shooters see that their scope has a parallax correction adjustment (the AO wheel) and they assume that once they're focused on target there's no more parallax. That's incorrect. Parallax is the line between your eye, the reticle and the target. Because the three are in different planes, there MUST always be some parallax. A good scope can reduce this to a large extent, which for some shooters is all it takes. Does a deer hunter care whether the bullet passed between the third and fourth ribs or just broke the third rib? As long as the deer is down, that's the whole point. But, a field target shooter gets upset when his pellet lands 0.04" from where he intended. The deer hunter will never notice parallax; the field target shooter will obsess over it.

(http://www.pyramydair.com/site/articles/scope-shift-barrel-droop/ao.jpg)
 The adjustable objective, or AO, removes as much parallax as possible at any given range. The shooter just turns the adjustment ring on the objective bell until the target is as sharp and clear as it can get. As good as it is, AO doesn't remove any of the parallax caused when the shooter places his aiming eye at different places in relation to the eyepiece. A repeatable spotweld that always locates the aiming eye in the same place is necessary.

To correct the kind of parallax I'm talking about, the shooter has to be 100 percent certain that he places his eye at the same location for every shot. This is called a "spotweld" by the U.S. Army, which refers to assuming a position so regular that it's as if your head were spotwelded to the gun. This most-common cause for scope shift is 100 percent user-caused and can therefore be entirely prevented.

 

2. Elevation adjusted too high
 The second most common cause for scope shift is when the vertical reticle is adjusted too high. The reticle is etched on a tube called the erector tube. When adjustments are made, the entire erector tube moves. A spring opposite the vertical adjustment knob keeps tension on the erector tube. On many scopes, this spring relaxes when the elevation is adjusted too high. I call it "floating" the erector tube, because that's what's happening...the tube is floating at the end of the spring travel. The erector tube is no longer held rigidly between the spring and the adjustment screw, and it hops around from shot to shot, taking the rifle's aimpoint with it.

(http://www.pyramydair.com/site/articles/scope-shift-barrel-droop/elevation-knob.jpg)
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: airiscool April 17, 2009, 12:55:22 AM
Richie,

Thanks for posting that. It should be part of every shooters check list.

I would suggest that list needs at least one more....
#3, When a scope is so inexpensive there is not enough quality built into it for it to be able to do the job required of it.".


There's an old saying, "Never spend too much for quality".
The  second part to that saying, that many folks have never heard is,... "And never spend too little."

Not to insult anyone, but I'm having a tough time believing that I can trust it to last, and be able see clearly through a variable power scope that costs less than $30.00 . That's based on over 40 years of this old cheapskate going to gun shops and sporting goods stores and looking through alot of cheap scopes and bino's hoping I'd find some that were good. So far, I haven't found any .... and this Gamo scope has only reinforced my observations.

Paul.
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: Richie April 17, 2009, 01:00:18 AM
You're right about quality...we'll see how the Golden Antler does, and go from there. It's a scope jungle out there!
: RE: Gamo Whisper 3-9X40 Scope
: airiscool April 17, 2009, 01:55:38 AM
Richie,

"......it's a scope jungle..".

Amen to that !!!!

10 years ago, I doubt there were even half as many choices of scopes - in all prices ranges - as there seems to be now.  And what would be considered a "cheap scope" back then was about  $100.00.

Let me know how it works out for ya...... I may just indulge my cheapskate side ...... again!  :D


Paul.