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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Airgun Gate => : josh from crosman April 21, 2009, 06:36:38 AM
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I know I probably don't need to remind you guys but we are down to less than 24 hours until the Marauder is available for reservation! There has been a ton of interest in this gun so I am not sure how long the 100 will last. I just wanted to remind everyone so those that want to get in on this will have a chance.
Please don't forget to screen your zip code to be sure we can ship to your location. You can screen your zip here...
http://www.crosman.com/airguns/reserve-the-marauder
That will also be the page you need to be on at noon tomorrow. I will put up a post here and on the other airgun forums the minute it is up.
Good luck guys and thanks again for all the interest in this gun.
Joshua
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Thanks for the reminder Joshua ! I'm sure there are some here dieing to get their hands on one of those sweet babies ! .Bill
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Joshua,,,
I'm just curious..... are these first 100 rifles going to be any different than the ones that will follow ???? Pyramydair is going to be selling them for $100 cheaper than Crosman is selling the first 100 for,,,,,, is there any difference in the rifles or is it simply an opportunity to get a rifle a month sooner than you could get it at Pyramydair or some other dealers ????
Jeff
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These will be the same rifle, these will all be productions guns. This is really an opportunity to get one early and if your a collector to get in on the early serial numbers. I don't think Pyrymyd will be a hundred cheaper though. I think they will be at 499.00 and we are at 529.00.
Josh
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Ok, thanks Joshua. I wasn't trying to "put you on the spot",,,, I was just curious. For some reason I thought Crosmans price was $100 more but you cleared it up...
Thanks again for your prompt reply.
Jeff
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That is why I asked the question on the Yellow. Would have been cool to have some special 1 of 100 intro gun for those that are getting in line for the first 100. Even if it were and extra $50 or $100 added, just for the keepsake possibly and/or collector value. Then again if that happens they may lose the feedback aspect as they collectors usually dont USE the guns. So the feedback on those initial would not be there. Who knows...
Where is the Marauder Carbine... :p hahaha, just kidding !
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I feel sorry for the first 100 people, I mean, "customers" who bought the gun. Wouldn't wanna be a guinea pig. I'll consider buying one after the initial mass hysteria, all the kinks have been fixed, and the price has dropped 30%.
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That's my thinking exactly !!
Jeff
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Thanks Josh for keeping the GTA up on Crosmans Marauder's release date. Even though it is a new model Crosman does stand behind there products and I am sure if anyone buys one and has a problem it will be taken care of.
The main point is that Crosman has entered into a highly competitive market with reasonably price PCP's and continues to improve on them. 3 years ago you could not touch a PCP for what Crosman is selling them for today. I am thank full because this kind of marketing makes the air gun community grow and grow..
Just my two cents....:)
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WHEN PAUL CAPPELLO GIVES HIS VIEW THEN MAYBE IT WILL BE SAFE BUT NOT UNTIL SOME HAS PUT AT LEAST 500 OR 600 PELLETS IN BUT IT HAS TO BE A FEW PEOPLE PUTTING THAT AMOUNT IN NOT JUST ONE PERSON ,TO MUCH COMP GOIN ON THAT YES ITS HARD EARN MONEY FOR SOMEONE TO SPILL TO WIND UP WITH A NEW LEMON .ITS LIKE ANYTHING BRAND NEW THE BEST THING IS WAIT .......JORGE....
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Well, I don't mind being an early adopter or beta tester.The premium paid for being an early buyer isn't that large at the moment. Problems can be fixed, although depending on what they are, it could take a while. In my view, the only showstopper would be a safety issue, such as a below-pressure-spec air reservoir. And that might happen at any point in production.
Besides, how else are you wait-and-see guys gonna get tried and tested equipment without someone else being the guinea pigs? :)
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I'm with RR on this one, or at least I made the reservedlist. Stupid thing gave me a scripterror message the first time. I had delayed an important teleconference until 9:05 (Pacific) for this reason. Fortunately, it went through after I filled it all out again.
I have put off PCP as many ways as I could. Almost jumped at the Disco, but "too loud" for the neighborhood backed me down again.
When I saw the shroud on the Marauder, I knew I was a goner. I am betting they go over the first release pretty well to insure a good buzz on the street from the git-go.
And yup, they will make changes as they go, and later ones will have refinements, etc. That's cool. Maybe I'll get one of them, too, and I know they will be cheaper from PA.
I am delighted that an American company is listening to the market and giving a darn. This orderis my two thumbs up, thank you Josh and Crosman (and Gaylord, too). I am puzzled by the nay-sayers whocast doubts and speculation on Marauder,and Crosman, the moment the thing was announced, just as they did with theDisco. And I am gonna shoot the heck out of my low-serial, first-ever PCP.
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I don't think it's a case of being a "nay sayer" or "casting doubt" but rather a simple case of being cautious based on the PCP track record of Crosman with the Disco. I will be the first to give Crosman credit where credit is due. Their introduction of the Disco was truly a great thing for the sport of air gunning as it brought the cost of PCP's down to the level where the majority of air gunners could afford them. That move by Crosman was very bold and it did in fact have very positive effects for the sport of air gunning and I give them a lot of credit for that.
However,,, lets face it, the quality of the Disco was "hit or miss" when it first came out and to this day it's still that way. You can get one that's great and very accurate or you can get one that has one or more problems that effect accuracy and consistency. Granted, most of the problems that existed on the disco could be "fixed" by owners who knew how to work on their rifles and correct the defects, but I just don't think that you should have to "mod" a rifle or "fix" problems in order to get it to shoot straight and accurate. I realize that the cost of the Disco was relatively small, but even for that price I still don't think you should have to spend extra money and buy a rifle that's been "prepped" in order to get a good shooter. Lets be realistic,,, not every air gunner has the tools or the expertise or the desire to have to take a new PCP out of the box and have to "work on it" to get it to shoot straight. Most air gunners just want to take it out of the box and shoot, and you know what,,,, there's nothing wrong with that expectation.
I'm not knocking Crosman or the Marauder. Matter of fact I like the design of the rifle, it's advertised capabilities and I'll probably wind up buying one for hunting. If it winds up living up to it's advertising I think it's going to be a great rifle, but you can't blame some people for being cautious with their money. $529 dollars is not a lot of money for a quality magazine fed PCP,, we all know that,,, but I also know that it still remains that $529 dollars is still a lot of money, at least I think so, so if I spend it I'd like to spend it wisely and be careful with it.
I think there's a big difference between being a "nay sayer" or one who "casts doubts" and just being careful with ones money.... I'm assuming I was included in that "definition" and I resent it. If I am wrong then I apologize.
Jeff
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I didn't point that at anyone here today,and certainly not you!
If you go back to the original Crosman posts about the Marauder, both here on GTA and elsewhere, there were several folk saying it must be Chinese, it is all a rip-off, and other ungenerous things about Crosman and a gun they hadn't seen yet. And we did see all those same claims about the Disco. And none of them were from you, or from anyone posting in the current thread that I know of (I don't track stuff like that).
I would be disappointed if you took this personally and perhaps I should have re-read before I hit Submit. We can continue the explanation off line if necessary.
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Not a problem Dave,,,, apparently I misunderstood your post. No need to continue explanation,,,,,, water under the bridge :)
Jeff
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Those are my thoughts about all the people that buy springers that cost more than the Discovery and then have to send them to a tuners or do a home tune to get them to be accurate . But people seem to expect that and live with it every day . Marvin
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I don't know Marvin,,,,, every springer I've bought, expensive and cheap, shot accurately right out of the box. Some of course shot better than others but the accuracy on all of them was fine. I will admit that the home tunes I did certainly did much to improve the cocking and or firing characteristics and some of the rifles did indeed become even more accurate than they were, but for the most part they were all accurate right out of the box. Even my cheapo B-3 rifles actually shot pretty good from the box and very accurately too. If a B-3 can shoot bullseyes at 20or 25 yards consistently without a tune or without work being done to it then I certainly think a PCP costing several hundred dollars should be capable of the same consistently. I should add that I have quite a few springers, cheap and expensive, that I never got around to tuning and they're shooting just fine. I never buy a rifle with the expectation that I will have to send it to a pro tuner, or do a tune myself, just to get it to shoot straight and I think a lot of air gunners may feel the same way. I'm not saying a tune isn't a great thing to have done, or do yourself, I'm just saying I don't expect a new rifle to be inaccurate until I get it tuned.... and I feel the same way about PCP rifles. Just my opinion and I realize many will disagree with me.....
BTW Marvin,,, just wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed all your posts regarding your low pressure fill testing with the condor,,, very good reading :)
Jeff
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Dave one of the reason the Crosman was able to keep the price down was that they did copy or base it on another rifle. The trigger is an exact copy of the Theoben series 4 trigger. See for your self here: http://www.theoben.co.uk/files/Series%204%20Trigger%20Instructions.pdf then watch the Crosman videos again. Now That's not a bad thing because that is a very nice trigger & it's patent just ran out in January. Also the magazine is a copy of the the Theoben magazine, see photos below. What this means is that it didn't cost Crosman the R&D which brings the cost down. I have info from a very good source that other parts were copied as well. Please understand that I'm not knocking Crosman because it's just good business & it helps keep the cost down. But people have to understand that although it's Crosmans best product by a mile to date they had a lot of "help" with the design. By the way I'll take a E-Type based rifle for 1/2 price any day of the week as mine is on pre-order from PA.
E-Type magazines:
http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh378/robinsonmac/E-typemagazine.jpg
Marauder magazine:
http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh378/robinsonmac/marauder_10-shot_clip.gif
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I think this is why Crosman is dribbling out the Marauders. I wouldn't be surprised it each one is going on the bench and tested. This is why the reason for long delays and lead times.
The hype is being carefully built, with Josh going on forums and releasing the rifle to mostly friendly testers. This is text book viral marketing. The scarcity on the front end means that the initial perception will be one of desirability, indeed 100 people are willing to pay a premium to get one. That's already accepted. Brilliant.
My guess that anything that comes out in the website order or in the May 28th release is going on the bench at Crosman and tested. We'll see, but I think this is going to be a very trouble free release. they know we're watching very closely and that a warm reception from the forum community will be worth a fortune in advertising, better than a million banner ads.
They are releasing them slow so that every one can be as good as it can be. The whole preorder hoopla makes sure the rifles end up in hands of people that post to these forums, because they only release a few at a time and it was mainly publicized through the forums.
Crosman would be insane to screw this up, and there is every evidence that they learned from the disco.
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Couldn't agree more Gene - about Crosman standing behind what they sell. I had a problem a few months ago with a new Phantom. Their response was absolutely "top notch".