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PCP - HPA - C02 Gate => PCP DarkSiders Forum => : geewhiz380 May 17, 2009, 08:04:29 AM
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WILL BE EQUAL CAUSE I DONT WANT TO MAKE A MISTAKE ON SPENDING ALOT OF MONEY ON MY FIRST PCP ,SO THOSE THAT HAVE THEM WHAT OTHER RIFLE WOULD U COMPARED THEM TO INCLUDE ,1.PRICE,2.ACCURATCY,3.FPS,4.WHATS IN IT AS FAR AS FRONTVENTED BUSHINGS ,HEAVY HAMMER THAT WILL GIVE U AT LEAST45 FPE ,LENTH OF BARREL ,AND IS YOUR FRIENDLY WITH NIEGHBORS OR NOISEY LIKE A SIREN,.LAST BUT NOT LEAST WHERE U GOT IT WHO GOT IT TUNED ,AND ESTIMATE ,I WILL DEFINITLY WILL BE GRATEFUL ON ANY INPUT FROM THIS FORUM ,THANK YOU SO MUCH GOD BLESS US ALL ........JORGE NYC.......
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I will take my Blizzard over the Talon SS!!!!!
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I would seriously consider a Marauder, multi-shot, decent build, foster fitting for fill, good barrel, as quiet as it gets, very reasonable cost for a decent built PCP. Another route to consider is a used Air Arms, or BSA rifle. One thing to think about, 45 FPE is pretty high up the scale for an air rifle. There are certainly are rifles that will hit that and more but it usually requires some compromise, lower shot count, increased noise being the two biggest. Most decent PCP rifles will hit 18-23 FPE, and 25-35 FPE in .22 without giving up a decent shot count.
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I was impressed when Joe Joe came to my home to visit with his friend Amad. They both had some very beautiful air rifles. I was very impressed with the build quality and handling of Amad's HW 100S. One of the smoothest shooting PCP's that I have shot so far. Joe Joe broke out the Blizzard .22 which if I am not mistaken will push lead up to 45 FPE. Very nice build and comparable to the Korean PCP.s in quality. It was amazingly accurate and very quiet. I never asked Joe Joe what the shot count was but I did drop my chin when I saw him standing and shooting the tops off of daisies at 40 yards. Quite impressive to say the least..:)
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I vote for MY BSA Super 10....975 fps in .22,but I`m a hunter not a shooter!Just my .02! :)
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Anything that dosen"t look like a starwars prop....
The Evanix blizzard"s sound like a good shooter..
think I will be investing in one...have the AR so may
as well go for the full set
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Jorge - Gotta ask. What do you want to do with 45fpe. Elephants don't live in North America anymore. Take that equation out and you have many quality air guns you can buy and you won't have to fill it every ten shots. Paul
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i want to thank everyones input in your helpful desicion making situation on a purchase of my first pcp .i had very intellegent answers and opinions and im so glad that many of the ones that responded r very experinced in airguning and were very honest and straight to the point. now the hard part comes into play with me .i have to take at least two weeks to decide my chioce since they r many ..1.the marauder is low in noise and its a reapter,dont cost much but pump or scuba tank is a choice i have to decide on and i dont know cause i dont have no experience in pcps .2the blizzard very powerful accurate friendly with neighbors but once again pump or scuba tank .3.a talonss cause it friendly accurate ,powerful,and not to expensive and compact.thanks to everyone ...GOD BLESS US ALL IN THIS AIRGUN FORUM FROM MY HEART TO YOURS .......JORGE ...
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George,,,, you're gonna run into that "pump / scuba" dilemma no matter which PCP you buy, it just goes "hand in hand".
As you know, I have a Talon and a Condor and there aren't words to describe how much I love those rifles,,,,, that being said though I would say the Marauder sounds like it might be the best choice for you. Low fill pressure shooting options, magazine fed, all kinds of adjustments you can make on the rifle to tune it to your shooting preferences, quiet as the proverbial "mouse breaking wind" :) ,,, American made, already set up for slings, and judging from the reviews so far seems to be performing up to expectations. Sounds like one heck of a a package for the price..... just my 2 cents......
Jeff
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I had that delima of the Pump/Scuba Tank, back when I bought my first PCP. I decided on the pump but after the first fill, I wished I had put the $300.00 for an FX pump towards a scuba tank, yoke and hose.. So I sold my pump for $150.00 and bought a new 80cc scuba tank for $149.00 and the rest of the stuff for $160.00. For a total of $309.00. Some times we have to make a mistake before we realize what we should have done in the first place...:) Now I have two 80cc tanks, and just have to lean over with my PCP and pick up the fill hose, insert and turn valve to fill....:)
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gene how long will those tanks last u and how many times can it be used ....
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Let me see.. I had them last filled in November. I have gotten at least 20-30 fills so far filling my FX Cyclone, AA-410 Classic, BSA Ultra, and my AA S200TA. They are down to 2700 psi now but still plenty of fills left. I normally do not filll my PCP's all the way to 3000 psi. So I still have plenty of fills left. Probably go down to the scuba shop where I get them filled for $5.00 the first of June or when my leg is available..:)
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thanks where i live there is plenty of shops that might be able to get fills thanks im going with toalon tunes just to shop around before making a decision cause to so many to chose from but i want a very good one if im going to spend at least 1200.00 why not on one that i really gonna enjoy without any regret .....thanks gene and may the force be with u and hope your leg heals quick so u could go dancing with those rifles u have,god bless u and your family buddy ....jorge nyc......
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Jorge my T.T. Condor will do 46 F.P.E. (Beeman Kodiaks .22 Cal. 21.1 Gr. 1000Fps) and is quiet as can be. I get 40 shots from 900 to 1000 to 900 Fps. I can shoot 1/2 groups at 50 yards all day long under the right conditions no problem. Tony is THE MAN!!
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geewhiz380 - 5/17/2009 4:04 PM
L GIVE U AT LEASTÂ 45 FPE ,LENTH OF BARREL ,
Wow, just get a .22 powder burner. You can pick one up for $150, costs a nickle a shot or a couple of cents if you buy ammo in bulk. You can get up to 165 ft-lbs. You can shoot shorts and they'll still out power just about anything and are pretty quiet in a long gun. My advice is a CZ452 Trainer. Dead accurate, cheap at about $250. No pumping, lots of power.
I wonder why people go to the super complexity required in very high power air rifles. It seems to me to miss the whole point.
What would 45 ft-lbs do for you that 25 wouldn't?
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Well It'll do a lot. For one, I can legally shoot in places where a firearm would be considered unsafe. I don't know about you and your $150.00 .22, but I never had a $150.00 .22 rimmie that will do what my condor will. Another thing is the rapid dissipation of energy that a pellet gun has that a rimmie doesn't. I don't know....is 25 FPE at the target enough for a coyote?
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SAVAGESAM - 5/31/2009 1:59 AM
.is 25 FPE at the target enough for a coyote?
sorry, but that is irresponsible.
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I don't see how 25 fpe at the target is irresponsible. I think knowing what your airgun can do and shot placement is 90% of it. Savage also brings up a good point if I lit off a .22lr shooting treerats the popo will be on their way. I've seen game up to fox and coyote size taken with 20 fpe springers at close range humanely. Come to think of it I was reading in one of the local fishing/ hunting rags yesterday a 7 year old boy shot a 353 lb wild boar with a 22 Win Mag. A lot of people would say thats irresponsible but it was dispatched quickly and humanely. This is more than a sport to a lot of people it's a way of life. A lot of people say the same thing buy a bigger powder buner instead but, the airgunner just isn't interested in that type of shooting. All I'm saying is just be cautious when posting not to criticize other members for their beliefs or actions unless you know for a fact it is illeagal. Believe me little things can start wars on these pages.
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Good points left coast. Also IMO when your giving your opinion you might want to say, "IMO 25 FPE for a coyote is irresponsible". You'll notice I posted it as a question.
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Your are right on the money as usual Sis. Both my AA 410 Classic .22 and FX Cyclone .22 shoot in the 23 to 35 ft/lb range. I would consider the FX Cyclone my go to gun if hunting small game.Knowing which air rifle to use,placement and knowing what distance you can shoot from for a kill is very important. I feel that with air guns of all types, those who hunt with them are more concerned about what I just mentioned thanmostpowder burner hunter's.
An air gun hunter has to be more precise with his shots in my opinion. They really have to know where the best place on the varmint to aim at for a kill. We have several consciences air gun hunters here on the GTA. And if those who are interested want proof they can go to the GTA Hunting Gate and view the kills and where the shot placement was for the take down.
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Yes I would have to agree. Everyone is different and I myself don't get offended but I know not everybody is like me. Just trying to keep the peace before it turned into a mud slinging fruitless post. Yes I did see that you posted the FPE as a question.