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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => China Gate => : jberenyi May 24, 2009, 04:46:40 AM

: Why does my MM-B28 sound like its going to explode?
: jberenyi May 24, 2009, 04:46:40 AM

As I'm cocking the barrel the spring sounds like its binding and ready to explode. The cocking rountine is loud enough to scare varmint away before I make the shot! Do all MM-B28's sound this loud during the cocking routine? If so, I'm dumping it.(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-frown.gif)

: RE: Why does my MM-B28 sound like its going to explode?
: longislandhunter May 24, 2009, 04:54:15 AM

It shouldn't sound like that, something is definitely wrong,,,,, sounds like the spring is broken and binding up,,,,, I would give Mike a call....

Jeff

: RE: Why does my MM-B28 sound like its going to explode?
: jberenyi May 24, 2009, 06:36:53 AM

longislandhunter - 5/24/2009 10:54 AM It shouldn't sound like that, something is definitely wrong,,,,, sounds like the spring is broken and binding up,,,,, I would give Mike a call.... Jeff

I did and he said it was normal. Here is his email:

What you are hearing is the hinge in the cocking arm rubbing on the stock as you cock the rifle, it's normal but....pull the action and check where it's riding on the stock, make sure it's not gouging anything. Once you get used to the sound it won't bother you any more...Mike

If this is the best I can get then this rifle has to go. I knew it was too good to be true that the Chinese could make a decent clone of the RWS 350. I still say its the spring making the noise and not the stock. I checked the stock and their is no rubbing witness marks that I can see.

: RE: Why does my MM-B28 sound like its going to explode?
: jberenyi May 24, 2009, 06:57:35 AM

I just took the stock off and started to cock the rifle and you can see the spring making a funky noise as it is being slightly compressed as ifsomething is broken inside. I am very puzzled that Mike told me this was normal. This is definitely not normal and something is binding and catching the spring.

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: jberenyi May 24, 2009, 07:11:12 AM

Here is a pic. Counting from the right you can see the first 5 springs are at a different angle than the others. As the spring compresses you can here the spring jolt after everyso many degrees of cocking and it continues this jolting action until full compression.

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: onemountain May 24, 2009, 07:13:29 AM

It could well be that your B28 is indeed broken and Mr. Melick simply misunderstood what you told him about it. Miscommunications do happen, and it sounds like he's an especially busy/weary guy right now following his China trip. If it sounds like a duck..

: RE: Why does my MM-B28 sound like its going to explode?
: jberenyi May 24, 2009, 07:24:28 AM

Splash - 5/24/2009 1:23 PM Spring doesn't appear broke. PM sent.

If not broke than what is causing the spring to catch and jolt forward along the compression path?

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: leftcoast1 May 24, 2009, 07:59:47 AM

I bought a B28 from Mike and they do make a noise when cocking and it is the cocking arm rubbing against the gun. From looks for your pic I would say your spring is broke. The missing cant in the middle indicated to me that spring broke on the side you can not see. My recommendation is to box it up send to Mike and have him look into it. Send the pic you posted to Mike as well. Mike will make it right if there is a problem no doubt about it.

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: lil'feeby May 24, 2009, 08:27:59 AM

i have a mm28 also and if something is wrong he will take care of you and it. he has the best customer service there is. my 28 is a 22 and shoots 834fps with 15 gr pellets at 15ft from the barrel. once you get used to a magnum springer you can put a dent in the varmit population for sure.

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: mikeiniowa May 24, 2009, 01:14:01 PM

Send it to me and I'll get it right, you should have an e-mail...

: RE: Why does my MM-B28 sound like its going to explode?
: jberenyi May 25, 2009, 11:49:22 AM

Mike is awesome! We chatted and I'm going to go with a Maccari spring setup this time instead of replacing with the OEM spring. This should make this magnum a smooth cocker. I'm excited! She goes out Tuesday to Mike.

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: Brod_Man May 25, 2009, 12:11:02 PM

mikes a good guy. he'll treat you right. ive bought nothing form him, and hes helping me with my tune on my storm, and he has helped a lot already.

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: tjk May 25, 2009, 02:14:36 PM

I've had similar probs with my B-28,...but in useing a little "know-how" with a  dremil tool,.. and some patients,...things smoothed out real well . Plus I just plain shot the living crap out of it! ,....No Mercy!!!!!!!!! Took a while,....but she's a well behaved Mama San Now. Can't decide if I like going with the glass, or going with the irons!?!?!?!?!? As for the spring rub,...Mine did too every 50 rounds or so,..it (the spring) would 'cycle' around and make the most God-Aweful popping sound,....but this too has passed. Like I said,...No Mercy!!!! I plan on sending mine back to Mike for a check-up,....after about 10K more rounds!!!!! LLH!!!! tjk
PS If you send it back to Mike,..he will make it right!!!! No BS, Thomas

: possible cause could be a dented piston liner....
: mikeiniowa May 26, 2009, 01:40:04 PM

if the rifle is cocked hard right at the end of the cocking stroke it will dent the liner and make it rub on the spring, don't need to be hard at the end of the stroke, the trigger engages easily...common problem with owners who think because the thing is hard to cock it's also hard to engage the sear,.....

: RE: Why does my MM-B28 sound like its going to explode?
: jberenyi June 09, 2009, 12:27:51 PM

Just an update. Got the rifle back from Mike today and was bummed again after shooting it several times. I never noticed this before because I only shot it once when I got it originally but now everytime I load a pellet, it loads cockeyed. This causes the pellet skirt to shear and dent upon closing the barrel. Further inspection reveals that the factory chamfered the chamber portoffcenter. I wrote to Mike but now I have no idea on what to do because this barrel was chopped and crowned by Rich in MI. I imagine the right thing to do would be to replace the barrel but I don't want to pay Rich again for his efforts on the chopping and crowning. I knew is was too good to be true, that black cloud just doesn't want to show any sunshine on me.(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-yell.gif)

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: jberenyi June 09, 2009, 04:28:36 PM

The sun does shine once in a while.

Problem solved. Upon further inspection of the action where the pellet seats I noticed that on this model rifle the face of the action is NOT perpendicular to the bore of the barrel. Therefore the chamfer by default will always be heavier on top then on the bottom of the bore if you chamfer true to the axis of the bore. The factory just didn't go deep enough with the tool. I had a chamfer tool from work and went a little deeper (.010-.012)following the axis of the bore and now all is well. I was sweating pellets there for a second. I didn't realize this was the case until I looked at my B26 face which IS perpendicular to the bore allowing for a uniform chamfer all the way around.

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: tjk June 10, 2009, 05:03:17 AM

Why bother champhering it at all?  You really shouldn't need to, and by placeing the pellet in correctly, all you may need to do is seat the pellets with a pel-seat or round end swizzle stick,...especially if the skirts fit real snug. But take heart,...I had the same experience when I got my 34 Diana and didn't realized the breech block was angled to the reciever. No Big deal so don't sweat it. Now,....Just shoot the living hell out of that rifle and show NO Mercy!!!!!!! Don't mistreat it or slam the barrel real hard when  cocking and returning to lock up,...just shoot it, shoot it,...and then shoot it some more. I promise this rifle will wear you out be for you can wear it out!!!!!! LOL's, You're really gonna love this rifle once you tame it some,....I guarantee it!!!! tjk

: Re: Why does my MM-B28 sound like its going to explode?
: jberenyi June 10, 2009, 05:18:16 AM

tjk - 6/10/2009 11:03 AM Why bother champhering it at all? You really shouldn't need to, and by placeing the pellet in correctly, all you may need to do is seat the pellets with a pel-seat or round end swizzle stick,...especially if the skirts fit real snug. But take heart,...I had the same experience when I got my 34 Diana and didn't realized the breech block was angled to the reciever. No Big deal so don't sweat it. Now,....Just shoot the living hell out of that rifle and show NO Mercy!!!!!!! Don't mistreat it or slam the barrel real hard when cocking and returning to lock up,...just shoot it, shoot it,...and then shoot it some more. I promise this rifle will wear you out be for you can wear it out!!!!!! LOL's, You're really gonna love this rifle once you tame it some,....I guarantee it!!!! tjk

I plan on shooting the hell out of this rifle for sure. I just love it with the chopped/crowned barrel and muzzle break. Since having that done the weight on this thing is awesome. It weighs the same as my MM-B26. Off hand before break-in I'm already shooting 3/4" groups! This thing will be a tack driver as break-in proceeds(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-smile.gif)

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: jberenyi June 18, 2009, 05:18:22 PM

The black cloud has moved in again! Now the rifle will not cock past 90 degrees to set up the safety and spring piston. As I cock and approach 90 degrees the barrel comes to a hard stop and will not go any further. What the heck is causing this now? I swear if I have to send this rifle back to Mike again then it will be up for sale. This is bull crap.

: Re: Why does my MM-B28 sound like its going to explode?
: tjk June 18, 2009, 10:50:56 PM

Just out of curiousity,...what pellets have you been shooting with the B-28? Too light or too heavy will eventually snap a spring with continued use. Sounds like your spring has snapped, and it has inter twinned within itself. Hence catching the rear guide and jambing it. Have you ever dry fired this rifle?!? More than a few times maybe? Not trying to be condescending to you or your intelligence,...but there has never been a springer shooter in history that hasn't inadvertantly dry fired his or her rifles. Is the spring factory or after-market?!? Which ever the case,...Mike stands behind his rifles and the work he does on them. I hate that you've had an unpleasant experience with your B-28. tjk
PS. Just a theory here, but maybe altering the barrel (chopping it) may have had something to do with this,...I don't know,...change in harmonics or something,...too little pellet resistance travelling down the barrel simulating a dry fire?!?!?. So many variables to consider here.

: Re: Why does my MM-B28 sound like its going to explode?
: jberenyi June 18, 2009, 11:36:32 PM

tjk - 6/19/2009 4:50 AM Just out of curiousity,...what pellets have you been shooting with the B-28? Too light or too heavy will eventually snap a spring with continued use. Sounds like your spring has snapped, and it has inter twinned within itself. Hence catching the rear guide and jambing it. Have you ever dry fired this rifle?!? More than a few times maybe? Not trying to be condescending to you or your intelligence,...but there has never been a springer shooter in history that hasn't inadvertantly dry fired his or her rifles. Is the spring factory or after-market?!? Which ever the case,...Mike stands behind his rifles and the work he does on them. I hate that you've had an unpleasant experience with your B-28. tjk PS. Just a theory here, but maybe altering the barrel (chopping it) may have had something to do with this,...I don't know,...change in harmonics or something,...too little pellet resistance travelling down the barrel simulating a dry fire?!?!?. So many variables to consider here.

I've been shooting RWS Superdomes since I bought it and it has never been dry fired either. It was working fine just a few days ago. I finally got some new Hawke scopes to install and now this. The last time Mike worked on this he put a JM spring and seal in it. I even took great care to cock slowly like Mike said. I can't believe that the last shot I took with this thing was the defining moement for it before retiring it to the house. This is bizzare. I am so bummed because vacation is coming soon and now my son will not have a rifle to shoot. This will be the last Chinese rifle I will ever buy if it has to be sent back again.(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-yell.gif)

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: jberenyi June 19, 2009, 01:08:34 AM

Well it looks like Mike wants just the action now so he can replace it completely. Therefore, this will be my LAST Chinese air rifle. All I have to do now is just paint the stock bright yellow.

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: man00 August 18, 2009, 02:25:44 PM

jberenyi - 6/19/2009  6:08 AM

Well it looks like Mike wants just the action now so he can replace it completely.  Therefore, this will be my LAST Chinese air rifle.  All I have to do now is just paint the stock bright yellow.

I ordered one from him, haven't got it yet, I hope I don't have these problems.  Fixing to send my Avenger 1100 back to pyramydair

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: mikeiniowa August 18, 2009, 02:36:43 PM

he made a mountain out of a mole hill and is happy with it now....

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: Jaymo August 19, 2009, 03:20:32 PM

Well, Mike, my B40 I bought for you is still a joy to shoot. Though heavy. I'm going to have to shorten the stock by about the thickness of the recoil pad, to get the length of pull right for me. I removed the pad and shot it for a while and found that I was shooting it much better that way.
BTW, how much for a MM tuned B28 .22 tuned with Maccari seals/tune kit? (full  power spring, please)

: Re: Why does my MM-B28 sound like its going to explode?
: jberenyi August 20, 2009, 01:03:35 AM

mikeiniowa - 8/18/2009 8:36 PM he made a mountain out of a mole hill

Hhmmm....I didn't think I did.

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: cnsjones August 20, 2009, 05:19:53 AM

Just my opinion:
In the airgun/firearm game as in a lot of others, where there is a mechanical contraption involved, and where the work of others is involved in the repair/fixing/preparation (read TUNING) of the contraption, one should give the person doing the work a fair chance to "make it right" before getting all bent out of shape.  I know this is difficult at times, but we should remember that parts used CAN be defective, and the other person's time and effort is also involved.

 Right, we can decide never to buy one of the errant contraptions again, and also never to use the same source -- this IS a free country!  But the other party deserves credit when he/she/it makes an effort to "make it right."  Like I say, just my opinion.

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: tjk August 20, 2009, 11:24:47 AM

Amen to that Fuller! John,...I think the trick to these tuned Chinese shooters is to shoot them alot!!!! I had a few qualms with my B-28A (.22) at first,...and it took a little effort on my part to get it to where I wanted it to be. At the present,...I wouldn't take all the tea in China for this weapon now!!!! I thank Mike for his guidence and support throughout the ordeal,..and it made me a little more springer/AR "savier" in the end. Knowing your rifles and how they work is key to making them perform up to your expectations.If you spend +$500 on an AR, sure it ought to perform flawlessly  out of the box,....but considering the fact that Mikes Chi-clones are ALOT more inexspensive,...you have to do your part as well. Even the low end Beemans (HW's) and Dianas need some help,...but if anyone's going to improve them,..it's up to each individual to take on the task,...be it a DIY tune, a "Pro" tune,..or just adding a little lube' here and there' post-tune refinements. Personnaly,....after a minute amount of dremil work to the stocks' internal rail,... all I did was dab a bit of moly/tars where I thought it needed,...and then shot the living hell out of it. Other than that,..the gun basically fixed itself!!!! I'm a proud owner of two MM'd  B-28's  (the Diana clones), ...I did my part,...and now I'm reaping the rewards!!!!! Anyone can,...if they do their job!!! Besides,..it's alot of fun too!!!  As for the stocks,..let's face it,..the Chinese rifles aren't exactlly as "pristine" as the German produced weapons', nor the tolerances,..but sooner or later,...you'll take it to the woods and add a few "memory" marks to it anyways!!! Scratch the action?!?, big deal!,...that's what they make 'touch-up' blueing  for. I keep no "safe queens" in my arsenal! tjk