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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Back Room => : TCups May 26, 2009, 09:13:14 AM
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This is interesting.
http://www.survivalseedbank.com/
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Yea I hear thier ads on the radio and laugh.. I have a garden already and have for the past few years... I just picked 37 tomato's about an hour ago... I have spinach, mustards, mucho peppers, strawberries, Okra, mint, spearmint, oregano, thyme, sage,, ect, ect, etc,... I love my garden and save a few fruits each year and plant the seed the following....
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I probally shouldn't give out this info but!!!! The USDA has free seeds for anyone that will just send back research on them and how they grew in your area.. You can get as many types as ya want ,,,even tobacco plants, 10,000 different variaties of plants to choose from.. they mail from november to march.. then wait till the next year to mail again.... GET YA SOME FER FREE!!! NOT 164.00...
http://www.ars-grin.gov/npgs/acc/acc_queries.html (http://www.ars-grin.gov/npgs/acc/acc_queries.html)
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Randall:
I think the point is that there are many of us who don't routinely garden and probably won't routinely garden unless the SHTF, in which case, the grocery stores are going to be closed, or shelves empty, or canned goods so expensive you won't be able to afford them when hyperinflation makes us all paupers. Do I think this will probably happen? No, probably not. Do I think that it possibly could it happen? Hell yes. And if it were to happen, then will I or others be able to simply go on line and get free government seeds, seedlings, etc? I seriously doubt it.
IMHO, if these are a reasonable assortment of viable seeds, seeds that have not been genetically altered to be a self-pollinating and not propagate "in the wild", seeds that have been carefully packaged with the proper level of moisture and sealed in sturdy containers in order to remain viable "on the shelf" for many years., then perhaps $165 bucks is relatively cheap insurance. I am not a gardener, but I do have a place where I could become a gardener if I needed to become one quickly. So what the heck. I "bit" on the add and am sticking one of these away with some of my other "stuff". It seems to make as much or more sense to me than trying to buy and store a years' supply of canned and dried food for me and my family and stocking up on ammo.
Perhaps the next purchases I should add to my "stuff" that I may never end up needing are several dozen Ball jars with lids and a pressure cooker.
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YOUR ABSOLUTLY right Tommy.. Thats why I started gardening a few years ago... I have the ball jars and have put back a bit myself... I have found a tun of canning info on the net and put back a gallon, 4 quart mason jars last weekend... Right now mason jars are 12.95 a dozen for the quarts.. I fully expect the price to skyrocket when the sdhtf.. I would get a stockpile and keep them safe... I know I have... Seeds are easy to get now but they may get harder in the future... You can go to Parks seeds.com and get some great deals right now on hierlooms at this point.... I don't know how long that will last but as of now they are cheap and easy to aquire... I try not to buy into the fear mongering that the gold and seed guys are puttin out right now ,,but I do stay informed and gather my goods accordingly... I wasn't trying to put ya down or anything of the sort... Just lettin ya know there pleanty of options for a full size garden for a lot less right now.. Most of the seeds i get from parks are in the foil packages and have lasted me for years... Its a wierd world we are in now and ya just have to stay on top of your game....
Go here and learn about gardening and you will be 3 steps ahead of the game... lots of great folks and very happy to give info... http://www.perrysgreenhouse.com/vbforum/index.php (http://www.perrysgreenhouse.com/vbforum/index.php)
Randall
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How many quart jars per person per winter season? I'd say minimum is 2 dozen. Practically maybe twice that if you have the room?
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If you do not have farming experience, growing your own food will be tough. But I use baker's, seed saver's exchange, burpee. Find a nearby horse farm, they will probably give you all the mulch you need. Good luck, but start practicing now. The most important part of successful gardening is experience. John
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Start small. My problem, at least for now, will be time. I am thinking an 8x10 ft box garden (maximum) with a pick up load or two of some rich soil from a nearby river bottom and some mulch, which I have.
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T
I planted this year and am also a rookie. I bought 3 12ft 2x12 boards and cut one in half to make a 6x12 box. I filled my long bed Ford truck bed up twice with the garden soil from the nursery to fill it. Then I hand made some rows and planted my stuff.
It is amazing how much conversation can happen just mentioning the word garden in a crowd. Especially if there are old fellows in the crowd. It seems they all want to talk about their garden and all the tricks of the trade and problems associated with it. I am enjoying it!!
Breaux is years ahead of me in gardens and reads everything he can to learn more so he is my go to guy for questions. I will call him and the answer is instant and correct. Of course I have to endure the heckling along with it while others shouldn't.
Here is a simple pick of mine. Trouble is, the best place at my place is where the pool is so this spot gets the most sun of anywhere in my yard.
Give it a try. It's relaxing and you will enjoy watching your stuff grow and figuring out what is going wrong when it don't look just right.
The plants are a lot bigger now and I have @ 65 tomatos ready to pick any day.
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Should be fun. Again, my constraint will be time. But how much time can raising dental floss take?
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Kinda hard to tell with these old eyes Ron,, but,, looks to me like Ya gots some: Maters,,Squash,,Egplant,,Peppers,,Basil,,Beans & Cukes in there??(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cool.gif)Tim.
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Tommy, are you a Frank Zappa fan? :D
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Movin' to Montana soon? Probably not, but yes, Frank was one of many that I grew up with. Died too young, from prostate cancer, as did Warren Zevon. Sheik Yerbutti, Werewolves. RIP.
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Your observation is correct!!
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In a true survival scenario, it's first things first. So I became one of the few tobacco growers in southern CA. (http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cool.gif)
The burley did better than the Virginia. I got a pretty good crop the first year, maybe a dozen plants. Air cured and put away in an Igloo cooler. You shouldn't let them flower, but if you do, hummingbirds love 'em. These things get pretty big, almost like a stalk of corn, but they do deplete nutrients (much like tomato).
So after the SHTF I will be trading with those of you who prudently grew food...
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Here is a close up of 1 area of 1 of my mater plants... Its to big to get the whole thing in the pic and still see the maters.. The larger fruit is baseball size.. Its called a betterbush tomato plant and is very forgiving for the grower with new skills.... large amounts of large friut..
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JOHNNY QUEST - 5/27/2009 7:31 PM
 Here is a close up of 1 area of 1 of my mater plants... Its to big to get the whole thing in the pic and still see the maters.. The larger fruit is baseball size.. Its called a betterbush tomato plant and is very forgiving for the grower with new skills.... large amounts of large friut..
I hate you, My tomato plants are 8" tall , they just got planted last weekend. In 2 months mine might look like that
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Don't worry. Ours will burn up about mid July and yours will being doing fine!! Only thing left in the garden will be jalapenos and cayene peppers that are just getting started!!
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Don't forget the Okra ronbeaux... It will be flourishin till december here..
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http://www.survivalistseeds.com/
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Also interesting. Bit different packaging and different variety of seeds - note paper / plastic envelopes, not sealed foil, 100 year "capsule", but no specific mention of seed storage life. No mention of detailed planting/harvesting instructions. No seed starter solution. But that said, it is probably still a good deal and enough different variety of seeds -- for example, more beans, no corn, etc -- to consider ordering both. Thanks
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Contact them with your questions, - bet they'd be helpful. Best of luck, - let us know how you make out.
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I would recomend that anyone planing on surviving on a home garden, look into the protein content of what they choose as crops. High protean is a very needed ingredient of survival. Also, you better be prepared for re planting of the next season, Hi-Bread seeds from your crops will not reproduce the same verity, they will revert to a common plant or no crop at all.
I would recomend that you look into how much you and your family eat now, and increase it by say 50%, as you will not have all the Twinkies around to subsidise your hunger.
Survival farming during SHTF times, is not very easy, and failure means starvation.
Just a thought.
Bill