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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Airgun Gate => : ibud2020 June 12, 2009, 03:22:15 AM
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About a year ago, I searched here for your opinion about a nice .22 cal shooter.
Well, time passed by while other projects and the booming economy sucked the money right out of my pocket. Now the craving for an affordable and acurate .22, that will not require second mortgage, came back stronger than ever. Last time I was pretty much decided on BAM B-26.
Now more than a year later, I am not so sure. There is now three serious contenders, and the first one ironically is also called Contender.
The gun will be used about 90% of the time in my backyard on squirells, grackles and blackbirds at a distance up to 40yards.
I am deciding between TF 89 scoped 4-12 x 40mm from Conseco, Beeman SS1000T and B26-2 from Mike Melick.
Currently I am shooting Mendoza 600, scoped with Leapers 3-9 x 50, fairly accurate, but really need more punch for a shoulder shots.
Any respond as always will be greatly appreciated. I have read reviews on these guns, but there is a lot of real hunters on this website with a true practical info!
Thanks,
Ivan
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A RWS 48.22 R GREAT SHOOTERS AND VERY ACCURATE AND POWERFUL PELLETS WILL GO THROUGH YOUR HUNT AT 25 YDS FOR SURE USING PREDITORS OR RWS SUPER POINT FROM MY EXPERINCE ,I JUST GOT RID OF IT AND I MISS IT SO MUCH BECAUSE I HAVE SPACE UP TO 40 YDS NOW BACK THEN I HAD MY FRIENDS YD WHICH WAS ABOUT 20 YDS BUT CLOSED IN .BUT SERIOUSLY THE RWS48.22 CANT GO WRONG AT ALL, IT HEAVY SOMEWHAT BUT IT EVEN WEIGHT THAT ALLOWS THE RIFLE TO BE ACCURATE ....JUST AN OPTION THE SHERIDAN BLUE STREAK PUMP .20 CAL IS ALSO A GREAT SHOOTER U MAY WANT TO KEEP U KILL UNDER 40YDS IF U COULD SO U WONT HAVE TO TAKE A SECOND SHOT SO 25 TO 30 YDS GOOD LUCK......JORGE
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I highly recommend adding a Mike Melick B-25 to your list as well. I just got one and it's a sweet shooter. Super accurate and hard hitting.
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Thanks Jorge,
I am sure RWS 48 is a great gun, but for 400 bucks i used to buy a great centerfire in my hunting days. That is the very reason I narrowed down to this bang for the buck.
Ivan
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IVAN U R RIGHT BUT NOW I SEE THAT ALOT OF AIRRIFLES COST MORE THAN POWDER BURNERS ,BUT KEEPING IT UNDER 400.00 IS GOOD FOR ME CAUSE THERES WHERE I KEEP IT IS THAT I CAUGHT A SAIL FOR THE 48 SO I JUMP ON IT .I HAVE TWO MIKE MILECK TUNED QB78.22 AND THEY R SO ACCURATE BOTH AT 200.00 NO MORE SO U COULD FIND GREAT RIFLES FOR 250.00 AND 200.00 IN THE CLASSIFIED JUST GOT TO HAVE PATIENCE CAUSE MANY GOOD RIFLES COME BY EVERY WEEK ,I MYSELF CHECK EVERY SO OFTEN CAUSE I KEEP IT AT 300.00 AND LOWER .MIKE MILECK IS A GREAT CHOICE OR ANYBODY WITH A TUNED GUN IS GREAT ALSO....GOOD LUCK IVAN U WILL FIND WHAT U WANT SOON ...JORGE NYC...
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Tons of choices out there but I can't argue with my two recent acquisitions a MM B26 and a stock B25. Secret, shhhhhh, you can get a B25 (Ruger Air Hawk/RWS 34 clone) with a really nice 3-9x40 AO scope in .22 for $139.99 from bestairgun.com. Sure you can get the Air Hawk for about $105 shipped but with a fixed crappy scope and only in .177 (See Sportsmans Guide, but they won't ship to many states, mine included) If you add a couple tins of pellets and push past the $150 mark shipping is free. So basically you get two tins free.
Now the rifle...I love it. It hits harder than the B26 and just as accurate. Actually both are extremely accurate. I'm shooting 740-750 fps with Beeman Lasers and Silver Bears. It balances nice, scope is bright and clear, hits hard, is accurate and the trigger is one of the best on a stock gun I have ever experienced. The blueing is very nice and the stock while a bit thin in coloring at the top edges but is very nice.
For $150 ready to run, how can you go wrong?
I just hope I don't tell too many people and they raise the price. I'm saving up for another in .177...
Andy Wong aka larspawn
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Ivan, Welcome to forum:) the Mike Melick tuned B-26 is going be really hard to beat in this case (second morgage!) I have a tuned diana 350 mag which can be pricey, I do not have time to hunt much anymore but it is deadly on rabbits maybe you could call Glenn at Umarex... see if they have a good used one half price??:) I have a Diana 34 .22 which is like B-26... I tend to use it more for longer hikes because it's lighter It has strong power like the B-26 :) I recomend tuning due to improved accuracy and ease of use . It only counts if you hit what you aim at:) There are other chioces out there Im sure, Lets know what you end up with. Tony.
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THAT SOUNDS LIKE MY PRICE RANGE FOR NOW AND I HERE SO MUCH OF THEM BUT I WONT GET IT SHIPED TO ME FROM NOWHERE SO IM STUCK BUT ITS OK CAUSE FOR NOW IM SATISFIED WITH MY RIFLES WHICH IS ONLY 5 BUT THEY R GREAT SHOOTERS ......THOSE B26.22,S R VERY GOOD I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING WRONG WITH THEM MIKE SURLY DOES HIS MAJIC TO THESE SHOOTERS .......
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Panther in .22 cal was also in my head for a while, but I am still a sucker for a wood stock from the old school. All my deer rifles always had a nice wood. Never had seen a reason to pay a good money for a great shooter in ugly stock.
I am sure is a wide selection in good 22's in the 250 dollars price range, even had a hard look at Gamo Whisper (which I have a inside hunch is being little overrated). Still would like to hear an opinion on my 3 picks, though. Man will not learn to play a guitar if he does not like the looks of it. I guess I could learn to shoot that TF 89 if it's a decent shooter.
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If you have an above average Cocking arm..consider walmart beeman 1073 and it comes with 2 barrels (177 & 22) . Like any scoped combo airguns..the included glass & mount are mediocre. With single mount and airgun rated scope you can enjoy 177 & 22 by just using an allen wrench to switch out. I believe walmart sells it for $124 and god thing is the ease on returns or exchange for the merchandise. Try this Info > http://webpages.charter.net/guru1/reviews/Beeman%20RS2%20review%20v%202.0.pdf
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I've heard mixed reviews about the lower end Beeman rifles. I don't thing maccarri sells after market seals for these models either,...but I'm not 100% sure. TF's are very acurate for the cost though,...I can shred a hole at 15 yards off hand in no time with my 97. But I think for your maximum 40 yard distance,...the MM B-26 or the Diana 34 (Woody or synthetic) are your best bets in your price range. Keep in mind one thing though,...neither are toys in any sense,...and if you live in town as I do,...you'd better be careful where you shoot at. A .22 might be slower than a .177,...but it packs a serious punch down range if you miss the target,.....and knock out someboby's window down the block!!! LOL's Or worse,.... That's my 2 cents! Good Luck finding your ideal weapon, tjk
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Thanks, man for the input. My father use to tell me that I will never be rich enough to buy cheap stuff. You can not get a decent rifle with a scope for 124 bucks even with a friend at the Railroad! My choices may be enexpensive but I would not rate them as cheap. I took a glance at Review Centre and it was enough. I would rather spend 190 without a mount and scope on a keeper any day!
It is not that I could not spring 300.00 for a scoped gun, but bargain hunt for a value is a one of the sports that I still practice.
Thanks again,
Ivan
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It's hard to go wrong with TF89 in .22 cal. I have AR1000 (same action) and it has a very nice trigger + plenty power. Note, these are somewhat harsh on scopes so I do not know whether the included scope + mount are good enough. If that SS1000T (another clone of the serie) has the better trigger getting it and purchasing proper mount and optics might be a viable option. Although B26 is good it's not as powerful as these AR1000 series guns so I'd skip it for 40 yards shooting.
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Here is a review on the TF 89: http://www.airgunweb.com/2009/03/compassecos-tf-89-aka-hammerin-hank/
Also if you go to the Compasseco and look it up there is a video by the same reviewer.... Frank
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Here, should help you narrow down your want >> http://www.airgunsmith.com/airgun_review/Airgun_Reviews.htm
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Guys I'm telling you the B25 with 3-9x40 AO scope is a STEAL at $139! Check out bestairgun.com. They sell the B26 for the same price but no scope. Normally I wouldn't recommend a combo scope because they are destined for the garbage but this one is actually quite nice. Very bright and clear. It loves Silver Bears and one holes them at 740-750 fps!
Andy Wong aka larspawn
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Interesting article there bentong. I just wish when someone writes an informative review like that, they should tell you where, and what kind of seal or O ring, they used for a breach seal...maybe a part number. I've looked all over Lowes and can't find anything that looks like a breech seal.
Paul
Texas
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:D Affordable and accurate 22? MIKE MELICK TUNED BAM B28 PERIOD. CHINAGUNNER
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I want to put in my agreement with Chinagunner and the others who suggested guns from Mike Melick. I just got a B26-2 in .177 from him. Sure the B26 is supposed to be a great gun out of the box untuned - But - as with all lower priced guns, QC is sometimes hit or miss. I've been through the route of buying a reputable gun only to have to take or send it back because of a problem which may or may not get resolved. At least with a tuned gun up front, there is way far less chance of a problem and the benefits are a major plus. From personal experience and from his reputation here on the forum, Mike takes care of you no matter what. Now a plug for Gene_SC, if he sold guns he would do the same thing for you. Therefore I strongly suggest you consider the B-25 (RWS 34), B-28 (RWS 350), or the B-30 (RWS 48). Mike has announced that it might be a while before he gets the B-26 in .22. Terry
that's B-30 (RWS 48) - must have hit the wrong button.
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I sincerely appreciate all of your comments and effort in helping me in my quest. I see that large majority of you are big fans of B-26.
In past few days I have done a lot of reading on the TF 89 Contender.22cal.
It came to me as a little surprise that no one here has it in his arsenal or would be willing to rate it.
The only thing I am little bit vary of is it's trigger. There may be a reason it is not too light. After all it is not 177 and it packs a lot of power.
The power combined with its looks and the Compasseco package price are the factors that will most likely drag my finger to the button next week.
Still would like to hear from the owner or this particular model on this forum.
Thanks everybody for the input and you all have a nice weekend!
Ivan
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TF89 = AR1000 = SS1000T = few other model names that I don't remember now. Small differences like badging and checkering but the same gun. Very good two stage trigger that you most likely need to adjust yourself to your liking (mine had no instructions for that). Quite powerful and well suited for .22 cal capable of providing about 800 fps or even a bit more. Made by Shanghai airgun factory. There's also a version with bad single stage trigger that you should not consider.
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doc1310 - 6/12/2009 9:54 PM
Interesting article there bentong. I just wish when someone writes an informative review like that, they should tell you where, and what kind of seal or O ring, they used for a breach seal...maybe a part number. I've looked all over Lowes and can't find anything that looks like a breech seal.
Paul
Texas
Paul, the SAE/Imperial -011 size or Metric P8 o-rings both work as replacement seals for the Beemans and TF89.
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ibud2020 - 6/13/2009 9:24 AM
I sincerely appreciate all of your comments and effort in helping me in my quest. I see that large majority of you are big fans of B-26.
In past few days I have done a lot of reading on the TF 89 Contender.22cal.
It came to me as a little surprise that no one here has it in his arsenal or would be willing to rate it.
The only thing I am little bit vary of is it's trigger. There may be a reason it is not too light. After all it is not 177 and it packs a lot of power.
The power combined with its looks and the Compasseco package price are the factors that will most likely drag my finger to the button next week.
Still would like to hear from the owner or this particular model on this forum.
Thanks everybody for the input and you all have a nice weekend!
Ivan
Ivan, a number of us here have TF89s. I do, Jeff (longislandhunter) does, and several others do as well. Do a search for TF89 and you'll see quite a few posts from about the beginning of 2008 on. Our own Gene_SC does tunes on them and other AR-1000 derivatives if you find you need it. Early examples suffered from undersized piston seals, but Compasseco (and maybe UMAREX, since they distribute the Hammerli Titan and Walther Force 1000 derivatives) has replacements that are larger and fit better and these may be in current production rifles now.
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I have a Hammerli Titan .177 which is an AR1000 variation just like the TF 89. I can vouch for it's power, accuracy and its true 2 stage trigger. Matter of fact, Gene_SC has stated that he believes it's one of the finest triggers you can get on the lesser expensive guns. Look at the Chinese forum and there is a lot of information on the TF89 and the other AR 1000 guns (look for information on the Beeman RS2 trigger). When I got mine I do remember that it had a rather harsh firing cycle - definitely a beast that you have to learn to handle. I replaced it with a RWS 460 and the 460 shot smoother. And the TF89 is BIG and HEAVY - for bench shooting it's alright but I would hate to lug it around in the woods. But the TF89 would definitely do the job. I've only owned 3 guns (besides an old B3) the Titan, the RWS 460 and the B26. As for shooting pleasure, the B26 wins hands down. Just my 2 cents. Terry
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What about the Gamo's sir? any ideas on that?
Thanks,
Paul
Texas
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You must be referring to a trigger assembly here. These are not the same guns.
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ibud2020 - 6/13/2009 9:15 PM
You must be referring to a trigger assembly here. These are not the same guns.
They are all made in a same factory using same tools and design (a copy of german design). Small details of stock, finish etc. are changed to differentiate all the brand labels sold by different retailers. Same guns sold under different brands. Pick the one you like best.
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Difference between TF 89 & RS2 . TF89 has checkering, single caliber & $100 more than the RS2 which come with a 177 & 22. These air rifle variants are not recommended to those with a problem carrying7lbs around and have weak cocking arm.
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Her's a video review http://www.compasseco.com/video-spots-i-30.html
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Forgive my ignorance, but RS2 is a trigger not a rifle. There is very little simmilarity in Beeman RS2 ( which btw, has several models)and Contender. Then difference in these 2 guns is NOT just 100 bucks and lack of checkering.
It would be like calling 2brand new Corvettes with a 20 grand price diferrence the same vehicle. Contender is not RS2. Not by price, looks or performance. Period.
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It sure gets confusing don't it. Compasecco chinese are called TF, Xesico calls her XS B, Beeman chinese RS and they all come from Shanghai Airgun Factory which are the AR's. Price mark-up comes in when retailer slap their 2 letters on.
Here's review from Tom Gaylord >> http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/12/beeman-ss1000h-dual-caliber-rifle-combo.html
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ibud2020 - 6/13/2009 3:42 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but RS2 is a trigger not a rifle. There is very little simmilarity in Beeman RS2 ( which btw, has several models)and Contender. Then difference in these 2 guns is NOT just 100 bucks and lack of checkering.
It would be like calling 2brand new Corvettes with a 20 grand price diferrence the same vehicle. Contender is not RS2. Not by price, looks or performance. Period.
They really are the same basic gun. RS2 is just a Beeman series designator for some of their rifles based on the AR-1000. There are some detail differences such as the shaping of the stocks, checkering, type of scope stop (Beeman uses a metal plate attached to the receiver with a screw, the TF89/Titan/Force 1000 use a clamp-on stop), and other things which can be specified by the company buying the guns for resale.
Those price differences are due more to each reselling distributor's markup based on their intended market (Beeman sells theirs through chain stores and some airgun specialty stores while Compasseco sells TF89s on their own site and those of only a few other specialty airgun sellers) than any inherent quality differences between the guns.
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I am old school too it seems, I am with you on the wood stocks, I just prefer them looks and feel ,my 34 is wood stock:) FX cyclone is my only synthetic stock.Tony
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TF89. I love that rifle. A bit heavy, but it needs to be. The wood stock and checkering are great. The chinese need to be more careful of packaging and handling practices; mine arrived with a gouge in the front sight cocking extension, and not a ding on the box it was shipped in.
Some have had issues with a slightly undersized chamber seal, but all-in-all, it is my favorite magnum. Wouldn't part with it.
Charles
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Hey Ivan, this looked interesting ? http://www.airgundepot.com/rws-airguns-model-34-22-with-free-bsa-varmint-hunter-scope-and-mount.html
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I have a Beeman SS1000T scope combo in .177, and I do think it is a good rifle. I haven't shot it much lately (too many others) but it was very good on ground squirrels. It was powerful, accurate, and had a decent trigger. I never had a quality issue with mine.