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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => China Gate => : HNT5 September 10, 2009, 02:13:57 PM
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Well kinda new. It's a QB-78 running on high pressure air. Here is the e mail I got.
Nathan
Tech Force 78 PCP Air Rifle
This dynamic bolt action air rifle is a product-improved version of a very popular air rifle. It's operated by 3000 psi. It features a single stage, two-way adjustable trigger with a trigger safety. It has been praised for both its accuracy and its overall high quality. Once it is filled, there is no pumping and no worry about the temperature outside. Just shoot until the gun needs to be re-charged. The Tech Force 78 PCP airgun has a 3000 psi fill level and can be filled with compressed air using a high pressure hand pump or scuba tank (not included). The PCP tube and valve are made right here in the USA and assembled here in the USA. (Pcitured with a Tech Force 6-24x40TGT Target scope and high mounts not included.)
.177 Caliber 1250 FPS
.22 Caliber 1050 FPS
Our Price: $199.95
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I like it.
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I got the same email....... will be interesting to hear how they shoot.....
Jeff
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Pretty neat,but with a little more money you get the disco with the pump. :)
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But the QB has a better trigger.
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The styling very plain...
Think they need to go back to the
styling drawing board...
may be able to make it look something...
FPS seem ok ..
Pete
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http://www.airgun-supply.com/benjamin_discovery_pre_charged_pneumatic_air_rifle_and_pump.html
At $199, then having to find an air source,it will cost more than buying the complete discovery and pump :o
You also get the customer service from the benji folks with the Discovery. :)
I would like to see the reviews stock out of the box comments. If there better than what the reviews i have read of the discovery,Then I might ditch my plans on the discovery and purchase the TF-78....But then i need a pump :o and they are expensive! :0
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well...my question is .........will the pcp resevoir be available to retrofit co2 qb's..?
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Really? I was about to buy a Disco and I don't think the QB triggers are that great. So is the Disco trigger that bad? I've seen the Disco's now going for $150 w/o pump.
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Andy, could you share with us where you saw the Disco for $150.00?
Thanks
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High on my dream list is a PCP but if I ever do get one it will have to be one of the lower cost ones. I have been eyeing the Disco but this thread makes me wonder about the Disco's trigger. Like Andy asked, Is the Disco's trigger that bad? Thanks! Terry
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I just got a .177 Disco and the trigger is fine. My rifle is shooting fantastic groups and all I did was take it out of the box, wipe it down and slap a scope on it. There are quite a few easy tweaks for the trigger if you do decide that you want to improve it. I believe TKO sells complete drop in trigger kits for a good price.... and there's also alot of info around about the "3 screw" trigger tune. But the trigger on my new Disco is really just fine for me the way it is....
Gene,,, as for the $155 price on the Disco........................ here it is...............................................
http://sunshineairguns.net/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=234&osCsid=91fd416fda146244ea9466524c0a94a3
It appears they only have the .177 but that is a super price if you just want a rifle and no pump.....
Jeff
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hey gene,
the disco for 155 is at sunshine airguns, i tried to call them but phone was disconnected. kinda suspect, let me know if they are legit. i live only 130 miles from miami so i would just drive over to make sure they where for real.
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lil'feeby, try this number 305-281-0934, that's Jorge's cell phone and that's how I got through to Jorge at Sunshine Airguns. Sometimes he's hard to get thorugh to. I have a Disco and pump in .177 on order from him for $269 that for some reason didn't get shipped. I called him on a Saturday and he said he would look into it for me. He later e-mailed me and said it would be shipping out. I keep looking out the window for the Brown Santa, if I don't get it soon my head is going to explode.
Charlie,
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i don't live too far from miami. i go over there about once a week and i am going to go to the showroom and see if i can buy something face to face. i have never done business with them but their phone is not in service, and i can't reach him on the other line. the prices seem to good to be true and for that reason i will only do a face to face transaction. i will probably go over there thursday, and i will let the forum know what's what.
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Yup Gene it was $155 at Sunshine. Sorry, I owe you $5!
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That is one heck of a deal Andy..:) If we ever meet I will let you buy me a coffee..:) Thanks
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Sunshine has always been off and on but never heard anything bad yet.
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thanks gene, i follow the old if it's too good.........have any ideas why the price of the disco is falling? i don't mind and i am going to sell a couple of things to get a .22 as soon as possible. thanks for the info as always.
peace
rashid
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Not sure about the price's Rasid. But the Marauder has taking off pretty well and I am sure the Disco sales will be falling. Let's hope..:) Like Jeff said both guns are great shooters and you cannot go wrong with the Disco if prices fall.
Best of luck
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Thanks Jeff, I most certainly want one real bad...:) I have shot Timmy's on several occasions and it just feels good to shoot..:)
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Hi Terry,
Go for the Disco ! The trigger is not as good as on the MM tuned B-26 and not as good as the GRT_III from CDT, but it is WAY better than the ones on Gamo rifles.
Really it is not bad at all unless you have been spoiled by triggers like the ones mentioned above. Simply polishing and lubing the trigger assembly improves it greatly. A weaker return spring also makes it feel lighter. Go to the library and look at "2260 Trigger Mod" for directions. I did add the 2 screws, but just to remove most of the pretravel and overtravel. I personally am not comfortable with adjusting them to the point of reducing sear engagement.
Just my $.02
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hey hilman
check those guys out and let us know if they are for real.
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Fortunately or unfortunately in this case, I have both the MM B26-2 and a G1 with CDT's miracle trigger. I'm sure that they have spoiled me concerning other triggers. But I appreciate your advice and if I can save up enough pennies I believe the Disco is the way I will go. Thanks! Terry
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lil'feeby - 9/12/2009 3:47 AM hey hilman check those guys out and let us know if they are for real.
I will pass by there on Wednesday,thats my day off.I work the horrible rotating shift:0I get to dedicate Wed. to Bass pro shops and to check out Sunshine Airguns. :)
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I not only spoke to him today , but order the Disco for $155.
Supposed to ship Monday...drool ...drool...
Regular guy, plenty of patience for my million questions.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the disco trigger basically the same as the 1377/2250 trigger? If so, it's a sh*t trigger assembly. I'm a crosman fan but their trigger designs leave a LOT to be desired. The QB78 trigger is so easy to adjust and tune it's not even funny. The adjustments are simple and straightforward. The parts are extremely easy to stone/polish, if needed. Not like Crosman/Benjamin/Sheridan triggers where you have to buy or make custom parts to get a good trigger pull.
My plan, if I get one, is to install an AR2078 thumbhole stock/barrel/barrel bands on it. Or maybe QB78 Deluxe stock/barrel/barrel bands. Either one would make a big improvement in the looks. An AR2078 trigger assy would be a functional improvement, though not strictly necessary.
Then there's always the repeater magazine assy, and or a riser breech and shroud.
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8) Well let me correct you. The Disco trigger is VERY easy to modify into a very nice trigger.
I disassembled mine, smoothed all the bearing surfaces with a dremel tool and a cloth polishing wheel with jewelers rouge. I then moly lubed all bearing surfaces and pins and replaced the trigger return spring with a lighter one.
Then I reassembled every thing and it took me maybe 10 minutes total.
I now have a trigger pull of one pound with almost no creep or over travel.
It took me far longer to adjust the QB 78 trigger than this. And it is no better than the Disco now.
And the disco is a fine shooting piece which simply out classes the QB 78.
Also the disco seals have not failed as the QB 78's are prone to do.
However I know nothing about the 78 PCP as it is not available yet.
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But, I don't have to do all that to my QBs. Just lube and adjust and they're good to go. I stone them because I'm a bit anal.
Sounds like you're challenging me to buy a Disco and tune it. Next thing I know, y'all will be trying to convince me to get a Marauder(like that would be difficult to do).
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Nope! Not challenging you to buy a disco. Just stating the facts. The disco out powers the QB 78 even with CO2 as the propellant. With HPA it WAY out powers the QB 78. It also is more accurate than an unmodified QB 78. AND like I said the seals don't fail as they are prone to do on the QB 78.
That said, it is also quite a bit more expensive than a QB 78. But no matter how much modding you do to a QB 78 it will never reach the power level of a disco and will barely reach the accuracy level of the disco even for a fully modded QB 78.
So for about $70 - $90 for the QB 78 and another $20 - $40 you can install or have someone install good seals and have a gun which is fun to shoot and fairly accurate but anemic in the power level. OR you could spend about $155 for the disco and buy an inexpensive adapter to charge it with CO2 and have a gun which is not only more accurate but actually packs a much greater punch! AND with the disco you have the option of buying a pump or scuba tank and owing a gun which simply WAY out classes the QB 78 in power. And still out classes the QB 78 in the accuracy department with either "fuel"!
I KNOW! I have owned three 78's and one competition version of the 78. All experienced seal failure and were returned to the seller with in one week to three months. I had another modded with new seals and "accurized" for $105. Still not the gun I was looking for and sold it 6 months later.
I now own a Disco and like the Energizer bunny, it just "keeps going and going and going"!
Another plus for the Disco? It is 100% American made and not some cheap Chinese knock off of an American made gun!
Chinese guns simply suck! I know! I bought and returned at least 15 different models before I found ONE which works and continues to work. And that one needed a Charlie da Tuna GRT III trigger to make it shoot accurately!
Heck even the cheap GAMO guns way out shoot and outlast the Chinese junk!
So there's my rant and my 2 cents worth.
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I think I'll save up for a Marauder.
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pcp dave... if you think all chinese guns suck, you have not shot a brand new out of the box B25 in.22. then tell me it couldn't out shoot the disco... don't get me wrong, i love the disco as it seems to be the efficient sheridan i have been searching for all this years, but the new B25 is just... a diana rws 34... or at least 96% of it... a disco is more like a 50 % german gun...lol
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I just got a new Disco and it's an out of the box one holer. I like my Diana 34, Crosman Nitro and MM B26-2 but this little Disco is just amazing.
Charlie,
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lilysdad,
You are correct! I have NOT shot A B25! Nor would I buy it just to verify what you say. Because my Disco is extremely accurate and makes me mucho happy! As does my Beeman R9 and my Daisy 953 TargetPro.
The Disco is a hunting gun which would also probably do quite well at FT. The R9 hunting, FT and informal target work. The 953 is a nice target and plinking gun. Nothing the B25 could or would do that the Disco or R9 couldn't or wouldn't. Plus I trust the quality of these two WAY better than any Chinese gun no matter how much any one vouches for it!
And I would seriously doubt the B25 would do any better than my Tech Force 59 regarding accuracy, quality, fit, or finish. It is the ONLY one of 15 Chinese guns I did not have to return to the seller. With the addition of a CDT GRT III trigger it shoots very well. Not quite in the same class as my R9, but I seriously doubt the B25 is either. The B25 would probably have a knock down advantage over the TF 59, but I doubt there would be any other advantage. And the TF 59 regularly takes squirrels up to 40 yards. The R9 and Disco add another 10 yards to that.
To any one who has Chinese made guns and likes them, COOL! I have had some real bad experiences with them and am very bitter toward them. I would not recommend them to my friends for fear of losing a friendship!
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I like some Chicom air guns, and dislike others. My 3 QB78 variants have been great shooters. My B40 and B30 have been squirrel hammers. My best friend has a Diana 48 in .22 and it won't outshoot my B30-1 in .22. In fact, he can't keep his running. On the first outing, it broke the long threaded rod that runs from the side lever to the air chamber.
That does not change my opinion that the Diana 48 is a darned nice springer.
However, my R9 is definitely the one I wouldn't get rid of. The Rekord trigger is a fantastic trigger. After shooting my B30(post-trigger tune), I almost AD my R9 because the trigger is so much lighter.
I own quite a few Chicom airguns, as well as one (soon to be 2) German made Weihrauch airguns. I also have quite a few Crosman and Daisy airguns. I cut my teeth on a Crosman 2100 and a Daisy Powerline 880. I'm a HUGE Crosman fan. Just not always a fan of their triggers.
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Any updates on this?
It seems to have disappeared from the Compasseco site and Google only turns up this thread. (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused004.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused004.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused004.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
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why not just give them a call and ask... Phone (800) 726-1696
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Iwas going to call them today, but if you notice ... they might have been closed at 11:30 PM last night. I was following along with interest for almost a month.
With over 35 responses to this thread and it being so active for a month I thought maybe someone following it and being up late like me might have chimed in.
I'll post back after I call them. It seems like the original poster has not followed up after starting the thread either. Thanks for the number.
EDIT: Called Compasseco and the word from them is that it has been temporarilypulled for some final modifications.
They are adding a pressure gauge either to the front or botton like the Discovery. They also want to change the fill connector to be more
main stream so that you can use the Discovery quick disconnect. It should be finalized and back up for sale by December.
The price is supposed to remain the same. Maybe we will get a real Discovery clone :)
I got in on that Sunshine good deal for the Discovery, but I don't think that will happen again.
This could be a good alternative ifthe Disco fill adapter can be used.
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Just so I'm not misinterpreted, I wasn't being curt or snide...just trying to be helpful. I suggested calling because I call them about every other week for on thing or another and they will probably tell you more than you think they might. I probably should have added that. If you get only a partial answer from the first line of defense on the phone, ask to talk to Eric or one of the tech guys.
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I know that...No offense taken. The number really helped. Instead of procrastinating...I called right then :)
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I have to say that I really am disappointed with the staff at Compasseco. They have recently put up some video's on the operation and care of springers.
It is apparent that they are way off base when it comes to their suggestions on lubricating a springer. They are telling those who watch the video's to put oil in the compression chamber port to lube the synthetic seal. THIS IS CRAZY. By doing so you risk destroying your seal and main spring. Although this means more business for tuners it is completely wrong. The GTA strives toshow new air gunners the proper way to maintain a springer and Compasseco is showing there customers how to destroy the products they buy. Seems to be self defeating to me.
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someone needs to advice me and correct me also;
TF 78, .22 cal shooting 1050 fps for $199.95
Disc, in .177 cal., shooting 900 fps for $150.00
RWS 850, in .22 cal, shooting 650 fps for $250.00
that QB trigger without a doubt is a MAGNIFICENT trigger
the TF 78 shooting 1050 fps in .22 CANNOT be the real thing, 3,500 PSI in the tube is equvalent to 1/2 dynamite stick, lot's of BANG
warren
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TF-78 - Price seems to be fair, new model, but who knows what FPS it will have when it finally arrives maybe December 2009.
ADVICE: not an option right now, not for sale. No support as yet. Get the Disco!
Disco in .177 - $155 was a special deal by an online retailer. I don't think you'll see it again anytime soon, so expect $260-290
ADVICE:well worth the moneyto get into PCP.It is much louder than I expected. One of the few things that no one exagerated about.
Expect to payanother $50 to quiet it down if you shoot in a residential area. Very accurate, easy power and trigger mods.
Ready to go action as is...plenty of online support and knowledge. Get the Disco!
RWS 850 - Refurbs from factory when availableat $140, regular $225, Super accurate (I have .177), longer (Plastic) stock for more comfortable
shouldering,10 shotrepeater, original AirSouce can CO2 60 shots ($7), with Paint Ball adapter/tank ($55) - 400 shots CO2 per fill ($5),
easily modified for power and trigger pull,plenty of online supportand knowledge,limited to spring/summer temperaturesunless you
convertto HPA at about $175, and still have toquiet it down for residentialuse...although in stock form it is half as loud as the Disco.
ADVICE: You will have a blast with this one butwillget frustratedduring the cold weatherwhen the pellet drops at your feet :)
youWILLconvert to HPA. At that point, you have a full size HPA.In HPA form you're at $400.
Inany case, you have to to fill the air chamber...either pump (<$200) orScuba tankand adapters (>$200) for Disco and TF-78
when it comes out.For the RWS 850 itswarm weatherCO2 which is your cheapestoption orHPA - Scuba tankand adapters.
Get the Disco!
As with all my advice...your mileage will vary depending on your shooting habits... (http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif)
edit: sorry...refreshed the page and lost it all...now it's found
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Gopher:
very SOLID advice and the Disco is the one to go because of the dual fuel capability besides the HPA capability but that TF 78 has my head spinning at 1,050 RPM's, sorry 1,050 FPS
and one part of my brain SHOUTs' out I DON't think so
at the entry level of the PCP air rifles these are the ones to consider and the QB is a fun shooter at $90.00, the 850 is next in CO2 with it's rotary breach loading option but for twice the price
decisions?? decisions??, which one???
warren
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You really can't go wrongwith anyone of those choices.
Just remember that you are limited to spring/summer and indoors for the CO2.
The QB is the way to go if you will stay CO2. You can tune away and still stay cheap.
Forget about the TF-78... I'll believe their ready for sale Dec 2009 statement when I see it.
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Gopher:
I live in Florida with NO white snow and NO minus whatever temperatures
and your advice is still solid and I will follow it
warren
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You know Gene, at first I thought you posted this in the wrong section.
Then, I figured you were reading up on the TF PCP and they struck a nerve so I just past on it.
But, you got my interest up, and I started looking...
Not only Compasseco, but RWS and Umarex recommend putting 2 drops of chamber oil in the piston chamber to lube the seal every 1000 shots.
They say that a small amount of dieseling is normal and the oil is required to maintain seal longevity.
This might require it's own thread don't you think? It goes contrary to everything I know about springers. Which of course I learned here. (http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif)
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I'm with Gopher, get the Disco. I did and love it.
Charlie,
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I have both a Mac 1 Discovery .22 and a Hammerili 850 HPA .177....I could not be more pleased with these two rifles...
Discovery Chrono: 906.3 FPS AVG on JSB 14.3 gr...ES=25.4...SD= 6.93 (25 good shots per 2000 psi fill)..
850 HPA Chrono: 961.7 FPS Avg on JSB 10.2 gr....ES= 15.9...SD= 5.5 (80 shots per 3000 psi fill)
Scuba:80 cu/ft from Sport Chalet..$149...
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Although the TF 78 looks tempting...best to wait user reviews...particularly barrel accuracy...