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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => China Gate => : lillysdad621 November 17, 2009, 01:05:09 PM
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Well, this is my first attempt at a review... It started after i sold my R7, and was bummed out at the fact that i can't immediately replace it with another in .177 due to financial constrains. I was at the shop when they delivered a box of rifles, some B12s and some B16s, which seemed the same but with a skeleton polymer stock. We opened one for the shop and i was suddenly impressed with this new product from Xisico, as they have being turning out some pretty decent stuff lately (shot a B25 lately???) It shouldered Ok, almost, do I dare say it?, an R7? BLASPHEMY!!! Nope, If what you are expecting a reproduction of an R7 in the quality and feel the likes of a Bam B26 (r9 clone) you will be dissapointed. But get pass that, pick it up... yes, the blueing is decent and there is only an X with the caliber stamped on the Upper part of the spring guide. The rest? no mystery wood, or at least is not finished in that horrible orange finish older B3 where done in. Nope the wood is smooth, the grain is nice and it feels solid. It is a smaller rifle than a B26, but it does have some meat to it.
Well, it was inevitable... i got something for the underdog, and this rifle is undereverything. No reviews, I think one hunt story, no info or reviews... So today i arranged to take one home for a go over and well, if i said it surprised me, it would be the understatement of the year! Got home with a sample that was a showroom model, and has been shot a couple of hundred times (mostly by me...lol) At the beginning, it smoked a lot and the trigger felt very heavy, but now, No smoke and smooth shooting is on order. I cleaned the bore, wiped most of the mystery oil of and gave it a nice and careful relube and reassembly, without opening the action, so this review is of a rifle that has being only home prepped and broken in, so it is what to expect. I shot it with several different pellets to see if it groups with any, and all the pellets used weight in at less than 7.8 gr (daisy WC). tried lasers, hobbies, RWS super H, silverbears, and i even threw in a couple of PBAs (just wanted to know how it shot with them, i mean something is gotta be shooting this things...lol) Best groups with open sight were done with the RWS super H (6.9 gr)... Great! it likes Hollow points. The original true glo sights are just barely strong enough to get adjusted, but i would not play with them much, as the rear unit is mostly plastic and the elevation and windage screws will eventually eat their own threads... So off they go... I had a small scope in 4x32 laying around and that went on it perfectly with light mounts.
This rifle cocks easily with less than 20 Lb of effort. The action is very quiet while cocking, solidly locking at the end. The breech is smooth and the pellets (most of them sat flush if not fell in about 1 mm. while closing you can notice the hinge is very solid and it has very little play, if any. It also locks into place solidly... Now, it has a automatic safety in the back of the action very much like a RWS 240, but it is plastic and one must be mild with it. just apply a little pressure and click!, is off. Every thing in this rifle is like a scale down version of a B25, until you pull the trigger, and then your mouth drops... It is got to be one of the quietest springers out there, Bar none. Yes, i said it, this thing is quieter than an R7. Now before you cry foul, remember, i did own one till like a couple of days ago. And i shot it. A lot. It was broken in, and yes it was very quiet, but this B12 is got it beat. Well there is got to be a perfectly clear explanation... it must shoot like crap, it uses a spring from a ball point pen, it is detuned, etc, etc,etc... Well out comes the chrony, and there i start shooting it, and what do i get? Well here is a sample:
664.4, 661.4,669,7,660.8,659.8,651.3,652.9,654.0,667.8,653.0, etc, etc, etc... For an awesome average of 669.48 FPS and a 6.88 ft/lb muzzle energy reading...
That is.... R7 kind of numbers... "well, how smooth is it?" nowhere near an R7, but smooth enough for you to be able to follow through a pellet to a target. The action will never walk a scope off. And talk about scopes, the reason i used a 4x is because this is a short to medium range rifle. Plotted in Chairgunpro i was able to have it zeroed in at 12 yards and hit anything from 6.7 yards to 32 yards by aiming dead on.. after that it will hit 45 yard targets with 4 inches of holdover. Dude, 45 yards is 135 feet. Yes, that is far for anything at this powerlevel. Up to 30 yards it will still deliver 5 ft/lbs which can be used to dispatch small pest. But how does it shoot? well great that you asked, because this little rifle stacks the pellets (5 shot groups)at the zero range in a 10mm hole. ( that is about 2 .177 pellet head next to each other). pass to 20 yards, under a nickel. and the Ram silhouette gat repainted 2 at 30 yards. And no one heard a thing. This would make a great bird gun, as well as a Lady/young rifle. It does not have a youth reduced proportions, but is just big enough no to look ridiculous. (like shooting a .22 semi rimfire). But to all good things, there is a bad. Ok, not a Bad, but since we are spoiled, it is noticeable. The trigger is not bad, it is just not a rekord... It is a single stage, no adjustment. It got smoother and it really does not weight that much, but is not a rekord. You pull, it gets harder till it stops... and you can hold it there for ever. An extra oz. and bang! there she goes. I imagine that it will wear out a bit more but that is all you will get.
Overall not a bad rifle. It shoots good, looks good, sounds good (no, wait, it sounds excellent!) and you can shoot it all day without tiring. Got a nutter close by? headshot... starling? good bye... spinners, cans, cheerios, lifesavers, olives... it does not matter. it will send them flying. In my book Xisico is got a 8.5 (the R7 is a 9.5), and the best part of all, no one knows about it yet. You can't get better than this for less than 80 bucks... let me show you: THE B12...
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I thought that was an excellent review! Thanks for sharing it with us!!!!! tjk
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Wait a minute, you sold your R7?
I'm going to guess you work at a shop that sells airguns?
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So is there a place one can read the stats on this gun?
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I think if you google xisico they have a whole bunch of info on this and other rifles... Sorry i did not post specifications, more like just a fun overview. And no, i don't work there, but it is 5 minutes from my house so i spend a ton of time there (cobra airguns).
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Won't hurt the wallet, much, though :D
Thanks for the review, nicely done!
-JC
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Great review Gabe!! Sound like a nice little shooter/hunter. I am glad she is working out for you...
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The B-12 looks like a neat little package. Perfect entry AG for someone.
Your review should be informative for all that read it. Down to Earth and real time experience. The photos helped by adding the visual aspect to your review.
You must have taken some time to prepare your thoughts on this as it is just not that easy to write a review that makes sence to those that read it. Good Going.
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Thank you guys, you are too kind. It is kinda easy when you think that you are just talking to your friends, which you all are. Can't wait to get a chance to hunt with this little shooter just to see if it is doable. there was a thread about a Guy on the yellow who hunts with a FWB 300s with 6 ft/lb... and does long distance shooting out to like 70 yards! My R1 laughs at targets at that range, but it also has 50% more initial muzzle velocity.... It will be fun to try to get a pellet that far with the B12. Also i want to see if i can use this for Rifle silhouette. I might enter the next match with it when a get a bit more trigger time to get used to the break and the hold over... I'll keep you guys posted.
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Nice review Gabe!!! Keep us posted on how shes doing. I put an email out to Mr. Melick to see what he's getting for them tuned. I may have one in my stable instead of the CZ634.
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I read your reveiw a couple days ago and did a greay job. I've had a B-12 for a couple months now. I bought it from Mike M. expecting to make a nice little plinker to carry behind the seat of my truck. When it got here I could'nt believe how nice the stock looked for a under $100.00 rifle. So much for throwing it behind the seat.The only thing I've done to mine is opened it up and polished the trigger sear to try to make it a little better.I mounted a Bushnell Trophy 4-12 x 40 scope on it and its a sweety! I was shooting it this morng and mine groups CPL's very nicely at thirty yards. Took out a Starling at 25 yards off my feeder. I was shooting the rifle at my target and I don't think he even knew I was there. The gun is amazingly queit and has a nice short firing cycle. Mines a keeper.
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I bought one of these Xisico B12 air rifles also. I've fired about 600-700 pellets through the little rifle so far. I received it about 2-3 months ago delivered to my door for $70.00. I was kicking around the idea of purchasing a R7/HW30S but wanted to see if a 6-8 fpe air rifle could handle backyard pest control duties before I spent $300-$400 frogbacks. The B12 produces roughly the same amount of power as the R7/HW30s. The B12 has smoothed out fairly nice and except for the awful trigger it is not a bad little air rifle. The trigger has a long pull and a bad hitch in it about halfway through the pull. I simply pull the trigger until it passes the rough spot and then concentrate on the rest of the trigger pull. If Xisico would just put a nice trigger on these little guns I would have no problem recommending them to anyone. My B12 is actually pretty accurate for bird control in the 20-30 yard range I'm going to be shooting it. I need to figure out a fix for the B12's trigger. I also ran it through my chrony a few weeks back.
Xisico B12 fired approximately 7 feet from chrony and 10 shot string;
(1) Crosman 7.9 grain pointed premium pellet averaged 658fps and 7.59fpe
(2) Crosman 7.9 grain hollow point premier pellet averaged 623fps and 6.8fpe
(3) Crosman 10.5 grain ultra magnum domed premier pellet averaged 495fps and 5.7fpe
Body shots on doves at 15 to 25 yards resulted in some fly offs. Some flew 100 yards away or better before they expired. The B12 does fine on smaller birds but I'll step up to my RWS34 or XS-B26 for larger birds. Just my 2 cents!
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I got a B12 coming and like you was thinking real hard about a HW30s or Beeman R7. I just didn't want to spend the big bucks. I also thought about getting the MM tuned B-12, but what the heck, for around $70 delivered I thought I would take a chance. I know the trigger is not great but I'm not shooting any competions and I have better guns with good triggers and wanted something in the B-12s power range. I might even try my hand at a simple home tune. This way I won't screw up something expensive. He Heeeeeee!
Charlie,
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Does anyone know if the GRT trigger fits the B12?
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I 'm just looking ok!
:)
Wife not givein in to a nother gun in Tee-Pee.
Yet he,he..
But thank you Gabe for all the info, good writer review.
can it hide in a dozen Roses box?? :D
with a note (the Roses are for you my sweet Honey bun)- & a B12 for me??
just what I wanted!! You didnot have too? But you are so wonderful (in my mind it's all just in my mind!!
Thanks for the Pic's ! There dancing in my head B-12, or b12 or just B--12,
beside myself
Ron.
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little update. the b12 is 2 tins of pellets old, and is holding up quite well. it is smoother on the trigger but still to creepy and heavy to be good. It shot CPheavies at high 400s fps... hilarious. You shoot, and then about a second or two later, the pellet impact is heard louder than the rifle. Plus thru the scope you can see it clearly fly towards the target. it also groups the gamo pro matches quite well. it has only had 2 opportunities to show it's hunting prowess, and the first starling lived to tell the tale at 17 yards... still dont know how as it makes a little ragged hole at 15 yards.... But then a shot at 23 yards netted a D.O.A starling with a body shot to the neck. For birds, it is perfect. It is that little gun that a non A.G fan can buy to keep it's yard pest free. It's cheap, easy to use and neighborhood friendly. But it does not look or feel cheap. I hope the iron sights were of beter quality... i would even pay more to have a set of metal iron sights on it. If you have bird houses and want to control the starling pest, this is the only rifle you need. I think my grandma could shoulder the b12 and accurately dispatch a bird with it. Now squirrels, i haven't had the chance.yet.
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I was going too get the B12 also, But it didnot get a good review form the xisico web site I read?
so I went with the B3-1 ! (?) Do they use the same power plant?
Is the B3-1 more accurate?
I liked the look of the B12 .
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Not the same powerplant. I do think that the b12 is better in initial quality than the b3 and all its derivatives. and i think the b12 will be more accurate due to the fact that it is smoother and its recoil will affect the shot less. my .02.
PS but i love the b3,go to the kermit airgun club site and look at what you can do with them...lol
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Thanks for the info .
just wondering why they gave it such a low review?
but my TF97 didnot get a good review ether? spellin again??
anyway Thank you ,
I'm looking up the web site now.
AND IT'S (SNOWING IN AUSTIN TX..:)
RON
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not sure... my 97 is a lovely sporter, so maybe is the fact that they are being reviewed by just buyers, and not AG fans that will take the time to set up the rifles the way they are supposed to to maximize enjoyment...
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I got a new B-12 about three days ago and after 300 pellets its still smokes some but I think this little airgun has potential. If you can get past that monster trigger pull it can produce some pretty good groups at 15 yards. I tried the half pull trigger thing but have found just pulling all the way through at one time works better for me. I mounted a little Tasco 3-9X40 non AO scope on it and have tried many different pellets and different holds. Beeman FTS group well but of all things the cheepy Gamo Dome Hunters group the best. With the heavy trigger pull it seems a firm grip on the entire gun works best and I have been able to get one ragged holers to Dime sized groups at 15 yards. The gun really looks pretty nice and I was surprised, a nice finish for such a creap airgun. I have a Tasco Golden Antler 3-9X32 AO scoped ordered for it so it will be a $40 scope on a $65 gun. I guess that makes sense, an inexpensive scope on an inexpensive gun and cheep Gamo pellets. I going to have a blast with this thing in the basement range this winter. It's a challenge to shoot the inexpensive ones well.
Charlie,
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Charlie that's good news . cheap is good some times. & when you shoot like that a Dime??
I'ed take that any day.
Did you have allot of cleaning to do on her?
they say they are getting better from china?
I hope ? My B3 ak47 comes Monday ! I got
talked into getting one (By these Guy's)
Yes you know who you are :D
Man that B12 looks good!
hope you have a great christmas..
:) Ron
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All I did was clean the bore with goo-gone and run dry patches through it until clean. I built a spring compressor and took the stock off but chickened out when it came to taking the gun apart. I know nothing about tuning but I'm going to get up enough nerve to take it apart someday. It looked like it had a lot of grease in and around the spring and I couldn't get a good look at the trigger because it's all up in the action area. The plastic safty that sticks out of the back of the action is what scares me when it comes to using the spring compressor to take it apart. I would hate to break it.
Charlie,
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THIS IS JUST BETWEEN US ! OK,,
THAT HAPPENED TO ME TO? I'VE TOOK MY QUEST APART 3 TIMES? I PUT SOME MOLY 60 IN THE END AT THE SPRING LOKED AT THE END OF THE CHAMBER & COULD NOT GET THE PLASTIC CAP OFF , I DID ON ONE OF MY TAKE DOWNS PUT IN A GRTIII TRIGGER & MASSED WITH THE SETTINGS SO IT'S NOT WORKING LIKE IT SHOULD-
AS THE ONE ON MY BIG CAT IT WORKS FINE.
THE PROBLME IS GAMO USES A FUNKY
SCEREWS IN THE STOCK & i'VE GOT ONE STRIPED OUT BUT IT'S TIGHT! :o
I WAS BUILDING A SPRING COMP" FOR THEM & CHICKENED OUT?
I BUILD BIKE REBORE THEM BORE OUT THE
CARBS BUT THEM TO GETHER IN THE DARK!
WHEN IT COMES TO PULLING OUT THE COCKING ARM? THE SHEAR FOOT AND I
HAVE MORE 600 & 1500 GRIT PAPER THEN YOU CAN SHICK A STICK AT ANYWAY !
I KNOW WHAT YOU MAIN.. :o
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The stock screws on a Big Cat are Torx. Don't use a Phillips head screwdriver.
Andy
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Update: I finally was able to prove the ability of the B12 as a pesting tool. using the Super Hpoint and with a rifle zeroed at 16 yards i was able to take a squirrel at 20 yards with a neck shot. It hit, the tree rat jumps as if startled and runs 2 feet to a tree, climbs up 3 feet and just falls back, dead. Clean neck shot, no exit wound. As a garden pest tool, the only rifle i can compare it to is the R7. By the way, i was able to get a R7 and i can tell you for sure that the B12 shoots harder than the 7. the super hpoints avg 622 fps out of the R7, but gosh she has a nice trigger. But the b12 is an inexpensive alternative that will not dissapoint. it is that little rifle every one should have because it is so easy to shoot. I hope that this helps anyone considering this little gem from the east.
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:) HEY GUY'S & ALL YOU THINKING ABOUT THE LITTLE PEST OR TARGET CONTROL AG.
i'M NOT GOOD AT WORDS, SO I'LL JUST SAY WHEN I GOT MY LITTLE GEM FROM MM, IT'S NOT THAT LITTLE! PUT SIDE BY SIDE THE TF97 SAME IN OVER LENGHT ,JUST THE PULL IS ABOUT 1" SHORTER.
IT'S BEEN RAINING ALL DAY :( SO I ONLY GOT TO SHOOT HER A FEW TIMES,& WOW IS MY WORDS!
THIS AIR GUN (B-12) IS AT THE TOP!.A AIRGUN I WILL GO FOR NOW.& FOR ALL DAY SHOOTING IT'S-
A PLEASURE TO COCK &SHOOT ANYTHING, & AT 15YRDS I HIT A MED'S BOTTLE OVER&OVER,
& A COKE CAN WITH WATER IN IT BLASTED APART! IT SHOOT HARD FOR A MED RANGE AG./LIKE THE QUEST1000 THAT MAY ONLY BE 800'S FPS??. &THE B12 JUST OUT OF THE BOX ! (BUT WILL ADD MIKE DID PUT HIS HANDS ON IT!!) WAXED & CLEANED.
BUT NOT A TUNE! I COULD NOT SWING THAT , & ON SUCH A AFORDABLE AG & VERY GOOD WOOD,
EVEN FOR A SOUTHPAW THE STOCK IS FINE, & I CAN SEE THE QC HAS GOTTEN BETTER !
& THE TRIGGER ON MINE IS NOT SO BAD?& WILL GET BETTER,. IT IS BETTER THEN MY B3-AK47.
NOW THAT'S A LOOONG PULL!.
THIS EVENING I PUT SOME WASHERS UNDER THE REAR SIGHT TO GIVE HER MORE UP AJUSTMENT.
& SHOT 5 SHOTS ABOUT 1/2" GROUP AT 20TF , & THAT'S GOOD FOR ME.. :) I SMILE EVERYTIME I PICK IT UP ! FOR WHAT I DO WITH A AG -THIS IS THE BEST FOR ME .
THANK YOU MM.
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UP DATE : STOPPED RAINING ! YEA, & ME & KATY WENT A SHOOTING SHE DID GOOD /BUT WITH MY BAD EYES i HAD TO SCOPE HER JUST A 4X32 & TOOK OFF THE SIGHTS YOU COULD SEE THEM IN THE SCOPE.
& THE SHOOTING GOT BETTER AT 15YRDS , & AT 20YRDS
NICKLE GROUPS, FOR ME THAT'S GOOD, SHE IS LIGHT WEIGHT
SO THAT'S A FACTOR TO? BUT NEXT IS THE PHONE BOOK TEST!
#1 GAMO BIG CAT 2 3/4" INTO THE PH BOOK.CPHUNTERS
#2 QUEST 1000 SHOT 2" IN WITH CPHUNTERS.
#3 B3-AK47 ABOUT 1 1/4 IN WITH CPHUNTERS.
#3 B3-AK47 HOME TUNE CLOSE TO 2"IN.
#4 TF97-22 SUPER TUNE BY STEVE? IN ABOUT 1" W/COPPERHEAD WADCUTTERS & DAISY WADCUTTERS 1"
MORE TO GOT TO GET NEW PHONE BOOK :D
THIS ONE HAS SOME BAD PAGES.
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HAD A GOOD DAY FOR SOME SHOOTIN WITH THE SCOPE ON !
BUT A GOOD ONE FOR ACCURACY AT15TF TARGET, IT WAS HITTING ALL OVER THE PLACE?
WITH 4 BRANDS OF PELLETS, ! SHOT NOW ABOUT 50 TIMES ,
SO DOES IT NEED MORE BREAK IN TO GET ACCURATE? OR IS IT ME DOING SOMTHING WRONG?
ANYWAY I'M TAKEING THE SCPOE OFF & SEE IF THAT IS 1 OF THE RPOBLEMS,
WITH THE OPEN SIGHTS THE B12 SHOOTS VERY LOW ,& RAN OUT OF AJUSTMENT ,SO I HAD TO PUT WASHERS ON THE TOP & THAT GOT IT UP SOME ,,BUT STILL ABOUT 2-3" LOW..
ANY INPUT HERE ? WOULD A TUNE UP HELP IT?
ANYONE DONE A RECROWN,
I DID THE QTIP TEST & THE BARREL HAS A LITTLE TIGHTNESS RIGHT AT THE END ,
LIKE A CHOKE SORT OF,
ANYWAY HOPE TO SHOOT SOME WITH THE OPEN SIGHTS ON?
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Rontier... at 15 ft the b12 should put an entire tin of pellets thru a 4.5mm hole... something is amiss (no pun intended). try with a light hold, then a tight one. also try with open sights only, and even if it hits low, still shoot aiming at the same spot. If you can make a nice tight group (even if its low) then there is nothing wrong with the B12, and it might be the scope or worse, the shooter. even at 5 yards (15 ft) you should be able to get a rageed hole with open sights. let us know how it did... Like i said, mine is miracoulously accurate and if it had a better trigger it would spank my R7...
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YUP, SO FAR I'VE GONE OVER THE AG & ALL IS TIGHT, TRYED EVERY HOLD I KNOW & NO HOLD&
& I KNOW IT'S SOMTHING ??" WRONG DOES THAT TIGHT BARREL AT THE END SOUND OK?
MY BROTHER IS COMING OVER TODAY , & HE IS THE MAN ! NAILED A PENNY WITH THE BIG CAT?
THAT I CAN'T GET A GROUP LESS THEN 1/2" AT 15 YRDS!!
&NOW THE B12 IS NOT MAKING MY DAY ,THIS MORRING I PUT THE QUEST REAR SIGHTS ON THE B12.
THEY AJUST MORE & ARE SHORTER BUT ONLY BY A FEW MM, SO WILL SEE !!
OR HE WILL SEE ,RIC'S A GREAT SHOT ,I GET HIM TO SIGHT IN MY SCOPES,
DEPRESSED I GOT MY TF97 22 & AT 15TF COULD STACK THEM, SO THAT MADE ME FILL BETTER!!
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You may need to put more pellets through it. Mine didn't stop smoking until about 200 or 300 shots cycles. It now groups as good as any airgun I have at 15 yards if I manage the trigger well. Mine likes Beeman FTS and Crosman Premier Lights in the brown box the best. Some other brand pellets do not group very well. Keep shooting, it will get better and so will the trigger. Make sure the stock screws and the barrel pivot bolt are tight. The barrel should stay at a 45 degree after you cock it, I had to tighten mine after about 500 shots.
Charlie,
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OK THATS A FEW THINGS I CAN DO. MINE DOES NOT SMOKE ,AS IN THE FIRST 10 SHOTS.
& MY BARREL WILL SWING BACK & FORTH, THERE IS A VERY LITTLE PLAY SIDE TO SIDE WHEN IT IS COCKED THAT HAS JUST COME UP TODAY ! WHILE MY BROTHER TRYED IT ABOUT 10 SHOTS ALL LOW
AND ATLEST 5 OR 6 ARE FLYERS & HE GAVE UP??
THE QUEST SIGHTS MADE IT WORSE! AS IT HITTING LOW ABOUT 5-6", & HE SHOT HIS BIG CAT ABOUT 30 TIMES AT20YRDS & LIKE BEFORE DEAD ON EVERYTIME 0 FLYERS,HE'S GOT TO SHOW OFF A LITTLE ?
SO IT 15YRDS HE SHOT THE THUMB TACK DEAD ON!!
SO THE BARREL SHOULD STAY WHERE YOU PUT IT??. MINE WILL NOT..IT HAS A LOCK SCREW FOR THE BARREL BOLT ,SO WILL TRY THAT..
HE -=MY BROTHER WAS TRYING THE CROSMAN HOLLOWS ,& GAMO MAG'S,& GAMO HUNTERS,
& GAMO MATCH, DAISY MATCH -THEY FALL DOWN IN THE BARREL 1" OR SO! & ALSO THE CROSMAN HUNTERS,& BENJ-SHERIDAN'S DOME,ALL NO GOOD AT 15TF & SOME TRYED AT 10TF JUST TO SEE??
AND WE DID??**(* JUST THE SAME BUT UP ABOUT 1" !!! TRY MORE WASHERS??
RIC SAID HE THINKS IT IS A BAG GUN??
BUT YOU KNOW I PUT THAT GTRIII TRIGGER ON THAT BIG CAT & YOUR GOING FROM A 1 1/2LBS
TO A LOOOONG ONE & 5-7LBS?..
SO I'LL KEEP SHOOTIN, &SEE
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Loose pellets will not shoot well in your B-12. Try to find a pellet that fits tight when you insert it. The stock has to be removed to get to the barrel pivot screw. The pivot screw has a small set screw next to it that has to be removed first and then the pivot screw can be tightened to the next position. It has to be tightened a complete 1/4 turn so the set screw can be replaced. At least this is the way my B-12 is. If you can't find a pellet that fits snug you may have a problem. Also, I have found my B-12 likes to be held kind of firm and is pickey about what pellet you feed it. Hope this helps.
Charlie,
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Thanks,Charlie
I took her out of the stock ! & just like you said the set screw was loose ,but not to fall out .So took it out & tryed the tighten the main screw but it was very! tight!!. & I know
it would never make a full 1/4 turn. I have a
breaker driver & took it tapped it loose first,
than tapped it tight & lock up in the same place!
& with the driver it will break a 1/4" screw
very easy if over tightened. I use on the old bikes I Build & take down,
& as for the size of pellets the crosman HP,
did 2 shots tight ! then the next 2-3 were flyers,, like 3-4" both ways, that is why
Ric gave up on sighting it in??
& I just go & get my TF97 & stack wadcutters
with it,! 15+ shots at 18tf. then I felt better.
I guess I'll call Mike today & see if any input
on it?.
Ron
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WELL BLESS MY SOUL!!
WHAT I DID WAS PUT A LITTLE POLISH ON THE CROWN!
& WENT WITH A BETTER SCOPE 3X6 SHORTY W/ AJUSTMENTS THAT WORK SMOOTH ,SO DOES A $89.00 BUCK SCOPE
MAKE A GOOD AG BETTER? IN MY 1 IT DID
DO THE JOB ,
HAVE JUST SHOT THE CROSMAN HUNTERS-
AT 15TF
& AS YOU HOPE TO SEE IS A 15 SHOT TARGGET, WITH NOT MUCH OF A GROUPING, & 2 FLYERS CLOSE TO 3-4.
& SHOT CROSMAN HOLLOW P, & GOT A CLOSER GROUP 9 OUT OF 15 UNDER A
QUARTER, & THAT MAKES ME SMILE !
WHAT DID I DO WAS HOLD HER TIGHT?
NO SOFT HANDED,
NOW WITH THIS BETTER SCOPE & THE HOLD TO WORK ON IT WILL GET BETTER,
THAT 30 SHOTS DID MY SHOLDER IN..
BUT A HAPPY CAMPER WITH THE B12, :emoticon:
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Keep working with it Rontier, your making progress. Keep trying different pellets too. Mine only shoots one holers at 15 yards with Beeman FTS and Crosman Premier Lights in the brown box. Every other pellet I've tryed the groups are much bigger. Sounds like with the crown polishing and the tighter grip you have made it better. Keep shooting it and the trigger will get some better.
Charlie,
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YUP THIS ONE HAS A LONG POST! MOSTLY ME ?
& I THINK IT IS MOSTLY ME ,ON THE OTHER END DOING THE SHOOTING! & YOUR HELP DID HELP ,LIKE A FRIEND HERE SAID, PRACTICE,PRACTICE!..
RON