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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Airgun Gate => : 124 sporter December 10, 2009, 09:51:36 AM
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Hey guys, just recently picked up a Daisy 1000ws from AirgunDepot for $85 (less 5% for being a first time purchase from them), and when I got done unpacking it, I looked it over and noticed that it said 'Made in China' on the breech. Now, I was under the impression that these things were re-badged Hatsans made in Turkey for Daisy??? I was looking for an inexpensive field type magnum AG, and I heard that these things were very hard hitters, and w/a little TLC could be made into decent shooters. But now, I'm a little confused as to the real story behind these things??? Any input is welcome...TIA!!
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I had 2 Winchester 1000x those are made at TURKEY and hard hitters.... but Daisy Powerline is an economical rifle make as you see at China, but enjoy it is a good rifle too.
/ GERALD
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Wow, I thought that I had read somewhere on this forum that they were basically the same gun, so I assumed that they were of course manufactured in the same place...holy frickin' assumed identity!! Might have to return it and get the Winchester... Anyone know what the Daisy chronies vs. the Winchester???
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I have a Daisy 1000x and it says made in Turkey on mine.I believe they've been made in Spain and Turkey looks like now China.
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Hey Stan, I wouldn't jump off the 'junk' just yet. (Hey,...is that a double pun or what?!?!?! LOL's. If it's the same action of the Turkish Hatsan,...you've got a neat little project ahead of you. If new,..cool!!!! I doubt the FPS's would vary much if they're the same design. If they are, FPE's will become more important than speed with these lead slingers. This coming from a 'hunting' aspect. Can you post a pix of your Chinese PL??? Thanks for the thread!!, tjk
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mine is a turkey gun shoots 865fps w cpl's its for sale or trade? shoots 1/2 moa at 30yds it has a walnut stock.
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tjk - 12/10/2009 4:48 PM
Hey Stan, I wouldn't jump off the 'junk' just yet. (Hey,...is that a double pun or what?!?!?! LOL's. If it's the same action of the Turkish Hatsan,...you've got a neat little project ahead of you. If new,..cool!!!! I doubt the FPS's would vary much if they're the same design. If they are, FPE's will become more important than speed with these lead slingers. This coming from a 'hunting' aspect. Can you post a pix of your Chinese PL??? Thanks for the thread!!, tjk
Here ya' go...
Mark 611 - 12/10/2009 5:31 PM
mine is a turkey gun shoots 865fps w cpl's its for sale or trade? shoots 1/2 moa at 30yds it has a walnut stock.
Thanx Mark, but I'll either stick w/mine or return it for something else...
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The pics are a bit deceiving as it kinda' looks like a toy...it's actually fairly hefty and it's the second longest gun in my little stable. The finish on the stock is smooth to the point where it almost looks synthetic, but it is actually some type of wood...not really sure what??? Banzai??? I'll at least clean the barrel and fire it once or twice just to check out the firing behavior, and maybe I'll do some of my informal phone book penetration tests to compare it against some of my other 'heavy hitters'. If it passes those informal tests, maybe I'll even scope it and check on it's accuracy. It did come w/some kind of adj. scope (3 X 7...I think), but it has two piece mts. which would have to be changed out (probably) if the thing has any kind of power at all. Overall, it's not an unattractive gun, who knows...w/a little TLC it may turn out to be the nice little field shooter that I'm looking for. :p I'll post back up in a day or two after a more in depth look...
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I have a Turkish made Powerline 1000S that is a tack driver. Shoots CPHP (7.9gr) @ an average of 965 fps. I wouldn't part with it either. After a home tune, trigger mod and filling the stock, it's a real sweet shooter. I am on the verge of buying the wood model just to get the furniture. :) Or, to have 2 really nice and economical shooters. I've taken many a tree rat with it too. They are identical and should tune up nicely.
Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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ezman604 - 12/10/2009 7:18 PM
I have a Turkish made Powerline 1000S that is a tack driver. Shoots CPHP (7.9gr) @ an average of 965 fps. I wouldn't part with it either. After a home tune, trigger mod and filling the stock, it's a real sweet shooter. I am on the verge of buying the wood model just to get the furniture. :) Or, to have 2 really nice and economical shooters. I've taken many a tree rat with it too. They are identical and should tune up nicely.
Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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Wow, that's cookin'!! But, if yours was made in Turkey and this one was made in China, how can they be the same??? Is this one a cheap Chinese clone of a cheap Turkish gun-LOL!
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It's not the gun on airgun depot's page, was thinking of ordering a Winchester 850 .22 but think I'll proceed with caution.
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Yep & yep.
Yep THAT'S cookin'. I have 4-5 different chrony printouts to show it and verify it. I have to keep looking at them to make sure I calculated right but it puts out 16-16.5 fpe. It's a powerhouse.
Yep, it's a cheap clone of a cheap clone. LOL
I've seen and heard slams of Turkish Hatsan guns for their quality. NOW, gun manufacturers have shifted to Chinese builders. The talk is now how cheap the Chinese clones are. If a little tuning and lube can make agun consistantly put out these numbers and betack driver accurate, I really don't care what anybody thinks or says about my choice in AGs. It's proven itself to me. And I REALLY enjoy shooting it. Yes, mine is a Hatsan gun, but I just bought two Chinese clones. A Walther Force 1000 and a TF89 Contender. (clones of the AR1000 line, but Chinese never the less) The Walther chronied just slightly less than the Powerline and the TF89is in .22 cal and was kicking out between 18-20 fpe with CPHP (14.3gr).
So, I say do some tuning on it. Hone, deburr, polish and moly lube where needed. You can get an E9870 replacement spring from JM or the factory replacement spring from JG. JG isa Daisy/Powerline authorized dealer and carries several parts, including pistons, mainsprings, piston seals and breach seals. Do the trigger mod and a tune job and see what you have. Then you will either have a sweet shooting powerhouse you will love shooting or a candidate to sell me for the furniture. HeeHee
Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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I got one for sale Dave in walnut has acouple of little places in the stock easy fix, very good rifle. email me if your interested?
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Ahh, so I am correct in that these were previously produced by Hatsan for Daisy, and now it appears as though production has been shifted to China??? So, would it be safe to assume that the Winchester version is now currently being produced there as well??? I guess if someone wants the Hatsan version they need to verify it first w/the Distributor to make sure that it's the older one. Would it be possible for anyone to take a meassurement or two from their Hatsan version...I'd be curious to know what the approx. compresion chamber length and diameter are??? Haven't measured this one yet, but the compression chamber/main body seems to be very long. Yup, just measured it, almost 15 1/2" long compared to my Gamo 440 at 13 1/2" long. So, it seems that this thing has a pretty substantial spring/piston assembly!
Also, just fired it a few times and it sounds like a .22 so far, I'm assuming there is some degree of diesling going on. Power (according to my highly scientific phone book test) is at least on par w/my other 'magnum' guns.
Note: The breech (loading port) was extremely tight...to the point where I had to slightly chamfer it to even get a pellet to fit into the barrel.
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Not scientific measurements, but from the side, I measure from in front of the breach pivot bolt to the front of the compression chamber plug as 15-1/4". Across the top of the compression tube roughly 1-1/4". Tried to take pictures but with my cell phone, they were too dark to do any good.
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Yes these guns have a big power plant on them thats why I bought the gun in the first place. The Daisy/Winchester guns are well made.
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I have the Daisy synthetic stocked rifle as well as the Winchester wood stocked rifle and both were made in Turkey........
Both of them are real tack drivers and hammers :)
Jeff
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I've had one of these (Turkish build) for three years and just started shooting it again this past week. It is just as powerful now as it was when my wife hid it from me three years ago. And just as accurate too. Where can I find info for trigger and other mods. I tried doing a search but had no luck. Has anyone considered trying to do a Crosman Nitro Piston conversion on this gun?
JKD
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Just curious, anyone else have the 'tight' breech issue on their Hatsan versions, or I'm wondering if it's just specific to the Chinese one. Does anyone else have this Chinese version yet...if so, please chime in?!?! I'd like to hear what you think...
Edit: I'm also curious to know if this powerplant is used in any other Chinese AG's, or is it just a direct copy of the Hatsan poweplant??? Too many ???'s-LOL!!
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Check out the RSE web site for guides on the Daisy/Powerline/Winchester 1000. Thanks to Russ for making these available.
http://webpages.charter.net/guru1/documents/index.html (http://webpages.charter.net/guru1/documents/index.html)
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I Found the pdf below that gives some good info about this rifle.
http://webpages.charter.net/guru1/documents/Daisy_Winchester%20tear-down%20guide%202.0.pdf
JKD
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Is this rifle any good? I noticed that Airgun Depot has them on sale for $85. Is it worth it?
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I had one of the Turkish Powerlines and tossed it out when I got an Air Hawk. The Hawk is about the same price, hits almost as hard, just as accurate, has a good trigger, is very easy to work on and spare parts are readily available.
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Are you talking about the breech being to tight for pellets to fit? if so you can take some fine emery cloth and open it up doesn't take much to it,just go at it slow.
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Well, I just spoke w/a rep at AirgunDepot, and they said that the Daisy Powerline 1000 has been manufactured in China for at least 5 yrs. now (odd, see comments from Daisy rep below). I also spoke w/a rep at Pyramid Air and they don't carry the Daisy's but they do carry the Winchester's and they said that the Winchester's are manufactured in Turkey. Weird how Daisy sells both, and they appear to be the same gun, but one is manufactured in China and the other in Turkey...I'm not really sure at this point if one is better than the other???
Edit: A little more info. for anyone that's interested...also spoke w/a Daisy rep, and although they couldn't (or wouldn't) tell me why production was switched from Turkey to China, they did say that the Chinese version has to maintain at least the same quality/performance as the ones made in Turkey. So, apparently the one that I received is the brand new Chinese version...she actually sounded surprised to know that I had one...hhmmm??? She also said that eventually the Winchester branded ones will be manufactured in China as well...very interesting. Wonder if Daisy is simply cutting manufacturing costs or is moving production to China for other reasons???
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I have 2 Winchester .22 springers , #1 model 435 30yrs old made in Germany by Diana Work model 35 #2 model 1000 2yrs old made in Turkey by Hatsan worst trigger ever!! Hurts My finger every time I shoot it. 1000fps Bull Sh!% 800fps w/ 7.9 cpl Jest My 2 cents Franky
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Figures now that Hatsans are going to get a nice trigger their dropping them..LOL
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Just wondering,..are the trigger groups the same on both the Turkish and Chinese rifles? Also,...if you are shooting 7.9's and not going faster than 900 fps,...your rifle has some issues to deal with. Most likely a burnt piston seal (vapor emitting from the cocking slot in the stock,...or a broken spring. The piston in my Turkish PL1K is big and heavy,....include a generous sized top hat only adds insult to injury!!! Last time I checked, I was shooting 940's to 960's with JSB Exacts 8.3's. This being custom tuned by myself. Nice to see some renewed interest with these shooters!!!!! tjk
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tjk - 12/11/2009 4:48 PM
Just wondering,..are the trigger groups the same on both the Turkish and Chinese rifles? Also,...if you are shooting 7.9's and not going faster than 900 fps,...your rifle has some issues to deal with. Most likely a burnt piston seal (vapor emitting from the cocking slot in the stock,...or a broken spring. The piston in my Turkish PL1K is big and heavy,....include a generous sized top hat only adds insult to injury!!! Last time I checked, I was shooting 940's to 960's with JSB Exacts 8.3's. This being custom tuned by myself. Nice to see some renewed interest with these shooters!!!!! tjk
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Nice looking shooters!! Hey, is that the original scope on the Daisy, and how is it holding up??? I don't have anything to compare the trigger in the Chinese Daisy too...but I can say that both the trigger and guard are some sort of plastic/synthetic material and that it is easily 7+ lbs. as far as pull wt. I would imagine that Diasy simply turned the blueprints for the Turkish guns over to the Chinese and I'm sure that they (probably) faithfully reproduced the trigger group as well. It definitely needs work!! What parts did you use and what else did you do to tune yours???
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tjk Sorrry Went back and looked I used 10.5 cpheavy Sorrrry my bad, Memorey anyway. how's Your "trigger" Mine su@%s but it shoots faster now. Franky
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I have one too, and it would out perform my tuned B28 with ease
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Go to the Guru site mentionned above for tuning questions,....that's what helped me the most. To get my rigger set lighter/easier,...I lightly polished all the secondary sear points and added a mix of moly and 30 weight motor oil to them. I don't think polishing the contact of the piston sear was needed,...and too much can be dangerous. Also I added a longer adjustment screw and set it to a single stage trigger. But becareful not to adjust it too much. There is a window (hole) in the trigger group housing that you can look through ( to inspect the two sear points) while adjusting the screw. These contacts are the bottum contact of the piston sear, and the sear contact of the preliminary sear lever. You need to "dummy cock" the trigger sears with a small flat head screw driver first. Don't cock the rifle to perform this adjustment!!!!!
To see what I modifide on my PL1K, just do a search on the GTA's search button and look up Daisy PowerLine, and enter tjk in the author area. Then click the area to the past year. It should come up. While the parts mod was somewhat crude,...the results were terrific!!!! I'd suspect those woth a wooden stocked rifle would be even better. I may have to cal Bro' Timmy and get a custom lefty milled out! tjk
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Oh I forgot,...I did the usual cleaning, deburring and lube work as well. I also removed the 'fat' washer from the original rear guide because the replacement guide was flanged and this kept my spacing fairly close to the original spects! tjk
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Alright, just wanted to update the thread after I finally had a chance to put this thing through it's paces. This isn't a full review or anything, but I just wanted to kinda' touch on some highlights, or lowlights, as the case may be w/the gun right out of the box. The gun is very solid (i.e. heavy) and I'm guessing it weighs in the neighborhood of 8-9lbs. unscoped. (The 6.6lbs. listed in the specs. must be for the synthetic stock version 'cuz this sucker is heavy!) Overall, the stock and checkering are decent although it has a strange finish that almost has a plastic-like appearance to it...but not unpleasant once you get used to it. The blueing is just fair...being lighter and not as even as some of my other AG's. The open sights are adequate, but I almost immediately installed the 3X7 scope that it came with, and yanked the open sights off-as I prefer that look. :emoticon:
Now, the cocking & loading process... The barrel opens w/a sharp snap of your palm (lock up is tight and to be expected on a new springer), and it requires a fair amount of force to fully cock it which again is to be expected of a gun of this size and reported power. The cocking cycle also gets a bit gritty towards the bottom of the stroke. As previously mentioned I was absolutely unable to even load a pellet before I chamfered the breech slightly-this was a bit concerning although I believe that I even had to do this on my BSA Lightning.
Trigger and firing next... The single stage trigger I believe is spec'd as having a 9lb. pull, and it's every bit of that w/alot of travel before the pellet is finally on it's way. (This is one area where I feel that there is definitely room for improvement, and it makes it impossible to really consider this thing for any type of serious paper punching/hunting until something is done in this area.) When the gun finally fires there isn't hardly any 'twang' (surprisingly) or twist to it at all...it just gives a you a fair jolt rearward, and the report is about avg. for a gun of this power. Now, as far as the power, I don't actually have a chrony but I can tell you that it stacks right up there w/my other magnum springers. I believe I mentioned earlier that I fired it into the same phone book w/a couple of my other magnums and it penetrated about half way through a pretty good size phone book. I did also fire it at some targets in my basement at a range of about 10yds., and despite the crummy trigger, was still able to pretty much shoot ragged one-hole groups...so the potential is there!:)
So, that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it! I'll let you all decide for yourselves how this Chinese version stacks up against the Hatsan version...and other springers. Keep in mind that I did only pay about $80 for it, and I believe (as w/most AG) that w/a little luv it could probably be made into a nice little (I mean big) field hunting rig which was my primary reason for buying it.
Cheers!! :emoticon:
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do you have a photo of the trigger group? wondering what version of the hatsan trigger they copied
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Joe, no, I haven't even bothered taking the gun apart yet...sorry!
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I added a review (sort of) and a pic of the trigger group...see a couple posts above
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Trigger group is totally different and now has an anti-beartrap feature, comparing the photos.
Dave
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Is that good or bad??? I did replace that heavy duty spring on the trigger w/a lighter spring and it drastically reduced the pull wt., but there is still some funk at the very end of the pull. Quick question, what does the allen head screw directly behind (to the right in the pic) do...if anything??? Looks to be a slot in the trigger guard to get to it but it's too small to get an allen wrench in there when everything is assembled.
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Well, I say an anti-beartrap is a good safety feature. As for the allen, I'd have to see the trigger assembly in person to be sure but it looks like it would adjust slop in the first stage of the trigger pull.
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If thats a copy of a Hatsan trigger it must be an old one. are there any adjustment screws on the blade?
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Totally redesigned trigger....
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joek - 12/15/2009 1:43 PM
If thats a copy of a Hatsan trigger it must be an old one. are there any adjustment screws on the blade?
Hey Joe, there is no mention of any adj. in the manual, see my post 2 above this one. There does appear to be some sort of allen-head adj. screw directly behind the trigger, but it's not really accessible w/o first removing the stock. It's almost like there's a slot in the trigger guard for a very small screwdriver/allen wrench, but in actuallity it's too small to get anything up in there...weird?!?! I did attempt to crank the screw out, but it didn't really seem to do anything, and when I went to reinstall the stock the action wouldn't sit flush in the stock w/that screw cranked out-IDK???
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If anyone is interested in the Winchester1000x Hatsan Turkey guns with the adjustment screw, I am posting one for sale over in the classifieds........I have no need for the gun any longer now that I have aquired a B-40
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I just took these pictures of a brand new PowerLine 1000WS trigger group (Made in China). Major difference from the previous trigger groups.
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This is my Winchester 800x. It has a wood stock. It looks much better in person, but this is exactly what mine looks like. Made in Turkey. The trigger was tight, but loosened up and is fine now. I noticed the wood stocks in the pics all look different. I wonder if the Chinese wood stocks have the checkering and Turkish stocke have the lines?
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I got mine in the middle of March this year and it's made in China. The "Checkering" isn't real Checkering. It's lines scratched into the wood in a Checkering design. That's OK as I don't care for looks but performance. I shot pellet guns 40 yrs ago and the cops still have 2 of them. The Powerline is a good gun for the price.The trigger sucks,the scope mount sucks, the scope is nice and the open sights are nice.Now I have to find the right pellet. I'm using the cheap Daisy and Crosman Copperhead flat nose pellets. They shoot OK but I can't make a real assesment until I tune the trigger. I found an article http://www.reviewcentre.com/review365024.html but it don't seem to Jive with my gun. Must be for the Turkey gun. I didn't know avout any of these things until I bought it and found this and the other sites. Anyway, I took my trigger apart and honed the mating surface of the black stamped steel part that has been doubled side by side with another stamped steel part exactly alike and the trigger pull is now smoother but still terribly hard and long. I'm going to hone the end a little at a time to get the travel to a more tolerable level instead of the 3/16"-1/4" that it is now. You can see the wear mark where you have to smooth and shorten. The bluing will be worn off where the 2 parts scrape against each other until one finally slips off the other and releases the spring which is held by another sear looking thing. Excuse my lack of terminology. When you smooth and cut the blued double stamped part make the very end as sharp as possible to make a crisp let-off instead of a slippery feeling let-off. Don't cut too much as you will have a hard time adding more metal(welding) to get the gun to cock and STAY cocked until YOU want it to go off. I bought longer hex head screws(metric) 4mm I believe and putting one in only reduced the first stage length of pull and any more wouldn't let the gun cock. So I put the original back in. I doubt if you can get a crisp hi-power rifle like trigger in one of these things but..What do I know? I'd just like something better than having a trigger as it came. Darned Lawyer triggers!!!!!!! Hope this helps anybody. If you find a better way let us know. I'll try it!
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If I am reading the correct information the original Powerline 1000WS Pelet Rifle .177 is made in China and the neweer Winchester Model 1100 XSU .177 is made in Turkey along with the Winchester 850XS22 which is of course the .22 version is produced in Turkey also. The Powerline 1000WS Pelet Rifle .177 is only available in .177. I have tuned the Powerline 1000WS Pelet Rifle .177 and was quite surprised at the build quality and overall cocking and shooting cycle after a tune.
It would be a model that I would like to add to my collection..:) As if I really need another springer. But I was impressed enough that it got my attention and did do some research on it.
I wouldput the Powerline 1000WS Pelet Rifle .177 in the magnum class.
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Gene, it just so happens that I have a Daisy 1000ws that was professionally tuned (along w/some trigger work) by a very well known and respected member of this forum, and I have to say that they make very nice shooters indeed! :emoticon: I was told by this tuner that the post tune power numbers were in the upper 900's-low 1,000's...so, yes, it's definitely a magnum AG!
As far as the China/Turkey production debate goes, I was told (by a Daisy rep) that when I purchased my China made 1000ws, they had just recently switched production over from Turkey to China. I was told that they moved (the Daisy models) production over to China due to quality issues w/the Turkish manufacturer. IDK... :o
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I've had my PL1KS for several years and it's a Hatsan. My Winchester 1K WS is also a Hatsan. So, I would think the originals were Turkish andthe recent production run is Chinese. And both of mine, after a home tune/lube, are putting out in the 16fpe range and are nail drivers with CPHP and CP Ultra Mags. Both in .177 cal.
Dave
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I have recently tuned a Powerline 1000WS and it was made in China.
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124 sporter, What pellets were you using to cut a ragged one hole group in your Chinee pl1k? I'd like to try them in mine.
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124 sporter - 12/14/2009 11:45 AM
Alright, just wanted to update the thread after I finally had a chance to put this thing through it's paces. This isn't a full review or anything, but I just wanted to kinda' touch on some highlights, or lowlights, as the case may be w/the gun right out of the box. The gun is very solid (i.e. heavy) and I'm guessing it weighs in the neighborhood of 8-9lbs. unscoped. (The 6.6lbs. listed in the specs. must be for the synthetic stock version 'cuz this sucker is heavy!) Overall, the stock and checkering are decent although it has a strange finish that almost has a plastic-like appearance to it...but not unpleasant once you get used to it. The blueing is just fair...being lighter and not as even as some of my other AG's. The open sights are adequate, but I almost immediately installed the 3X7 scope that it came with, and yanked the open sights off-as I prefer that look. :emoticon:
Now, the cocking & loading process... The barrel opens w/a sharp snap of your palm (lock up is tight and to be expected on a new springer), and it requires a fair amount of force to fully cock it which again is to be expected of a gun of this size and reported power. The cocking cycle also gets a bit gritty towards the bottom of the stroke. As previously mentioned I was absolutely unable to even load a pellet before I chamfered the breech slightly-this was a bit concerning although I believe that I even had to do this on my BSA Lightning.
Trigger and firing next... The single stage trigger I believe is spec'd as having a 9lb. pull, and it's every bit of that w/alot of travel before the pellet is finally on it's way. (This is one area where I feel that there is definitely room for improvement, and it makes it impossible to really consider this thing for any type of serious paper punching/hunting until something is done in this area.) When the gun finally fires there isn't hardly any 'twang' (surprisingly) or twist to it at all...it just gives a you a fair jolt rearward, and the report is about avg. for a gun of this power. Now, as far as the power, I don't actually have a chrony but I can tell you that it stacks right up there w/my other magnum springers. I believe I mentioned earlier that I fired it into the same phone book w/a couple of my other magnums and it penetrated about half way through a pretty good size phone book. I did also fire it at some targets in my basement at a range of about 10yds., and despite the crummy trigger, was still able to pretty much shoot ragged one-hole groups...so the potential is there!:)
So, that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it! I'll let you all decide for yourselves how this Chinese version stacks up against the Hatsan version...and other springers. Keep in mind that I did only pay about $80 for it, and I believe (as w/most AG) that w/a little luv it could probably be made into a nice little (I mean big) field hunting rig which was my primary reason for buying it.
Cheers!! :emoticon:
That gun never came out of the Hatsan factory...
totaly diffrent to any model Hatsan old or new...
and the trigger unit is a copy of no Hatsan trigger i know of..
shes Chinese I would say..
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Like I said Stan, I was pleasantly surprised at the build and shooting cycle of your 1000WS...:) The trigger was a snap to work on as well. I think you mentioned that the trigger was much nicer after you got her back. I did a modest cleanup and adjustment on the trigger and was impressed again with it's simplicity. Just an all aroundgood gun IMO.
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I'll post it in the Bargain Gate too...
Happy Shooting and shopping!!!!
Dave
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Does anybody know what glue works on the black plastic of the front sight of these things? I hurt mine and the red insert can fall out. I saw this type of stuff before and I have no glue around that sticks to it. Either tell me what type of glue to use or if you would part with your old sight if you took it off. Thanks
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JSB Exacts and CPH's seemed to be equally accurate, and the Predators were right up there as well. This was also after some trigger work which made a huge difference in the consistency of the rifle as well.
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Gene_SC - 4/9/2010 4:33 AM
Like I said Stan, I was pleasantly surprised at the build and shooting cycle of your 1000WS...:) The trigger was a snap to work on as well. I think you mentioned that the trigger was much nicer after you got her back. I did a modest cleanup and adjustment on the trigger and was impressed again with it's simplicity. Just an all around good gun IMO.
Yup, the trigger was definitely 100% better when I got her back from you buddy! :D I would have almost classified it as unshootable w/about a 7-9lb. pull prior to you 'doing what you do'...this thing (and me) thank you for the much improved trigger action!
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Stan, I was impressed to say the least..:) I remember calling you about your gun...:) Great build for a Chinese Gun.. I feel sorry for those guys who buy those Turkish guns...:) They may shoot hard but there is more to a springer than just shooting hard...:)
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Sorry Dave, I will pray for you...:)
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Dave that is a typical Hatsan trigger..:) Not to be confused with a good trigger... hehe
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Gene_SC - 4/10/2010 9:46 PM I feel sorry for those guys who buy those Turkish guns...:) They may shoot hard but there is more to a springer than just shooting hard...:)
Absolutely true. Both of mine are extremely powerful, as accurate as ANY airgun out there and just plain fun to shoot. I feel sorry for all the folks out there that can't own a gun that has all of these qualities like mine. I'll just enjoy them, thanks. Definately no need to feel sorry for me. (http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif)
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But Dave I do feel bad for those shooting Turkish guns.. A sad day my friend...:)Have fun buddy.. You know I am just kidding you.. Any springer is worth shooting at least once...:)
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Mike if you are speaking of the Hatsun Powerline/Daisey guns made in Turkey then I am happy to inform you that only glue made from Turkish Camels will fix your problem...:)
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LOL or.....Rotsa Ruck. Shucks, that's Japanese! No, it's Chinese.The gun I mean. Camel Slobber won't work or Gorilla Glue either. Guess I'll try Super Glue. I like the 3x9 scope I got with it but the mounts suck. I'll put a REAL set on if I want to use the scope. Later
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Those Chinese knock-offs are distinctively different for sure. Instead of "twang", they "ching", "chang", "chong". LOL
And my camel took personal offense to the remark about the sticky stuff. He wanted me to ask you just what does he have to donate to MAKE that special glue????
HeeHee
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...and this thread will soon be in the running for the most responses to a topic.
I've done my part. HeeHee
Happy Shooting....Turkish PL1K and Winchester 1KWS rifles!!!!
And the Chinese knock-offs too. LOL
Dave
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Great come back Dave.. I just love bantering...:) We all love our guns and it is great not to get to serious...:)
Dave, I think the glue comes from the tobacco those camels chew...:)
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Hey, if we can't laugh at ourselves and each other...it would be a SAD world.
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As for glue, I have only had success with 2 part epoxy that specifically lists (bonds to most plastics) It should cost you about $6 bucks and you'll need less than a drop to do a lot of fixing.
Good Luck.
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Well, Stupor Glue seems to be holding. Dave, If your Camel wants to make a special donation ....I'm not interested. You'll have to ask Haji or Crazy Habibe. Sorry Gene,I had a Senior moment
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Yeah Dave, we know our gun has made the big time when it becomes a Chinese clone...lol
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Daisy Powerline Winchester 1000's is Made in China (http://www.madeinchinab2b.com/).
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I have a Winchester 1000x made in Turkey. It is oldish, and a Daisy product (instructions as to how to shoot it printed on the barrel!)
I am wondering if this bit of confusion might be simpler than the back & forth here. I think they are just two different guns in the Daisy line that were made wherever Daisy got the better deal.
When I search for Daisy Winchester 1000x, I get the following, which looks exactly like my Turkish 1000x:
http://www.daisy.com/shopping/customer/product.php?productid=16189&cat=252&page=1
And that bears a striking resemblance to the older Hatsan Mod 55s
http://sotisbg.com/shop/images/hatsan_mod55s_Combo.JPG
But the Winchester 1000x is no longer on the Daisy website...
And the Winchester 1000xs / Powerline 1000ws looks something like the new Hatsan Mod 55s, but it is a bit of a departure... with a stock that looks a LOT like an AR1000 variant.
http://www.hatsan.com.tr/airguns_mod_55_s.asp
http://www.pyramydair.com/images/zoomed/Win_1000XS_Combo_1708_zm-1.jpg
When I search for Daisy Powerline 1000x, I get this:
http://daisy.com/shopping/customer/product.php?productid=16310
http://www.daisy.com/shopping/image.php?productid=16325
Which looks like a Hatsan 60/55s, but with different checkering.
My guess is a manufacturer wouldn't have to stop producing a gun because they lose a contract with a distributor -- they just wouldn't use the same name. I guess really what's in a clone when at one time you were really the OEM?
My Turkish Winchester 1000x is a tank, and if Daisy had the Chinese use the same specs, there might be a similar rifle. However if Daisy did what Crosman did with the Quest 1000 (aka Remington Vantage 1200, Storm, er...) there could be lots of versions with little/no difference... and maybe some of the difference is what country they have them made in?
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If Hatsan really makes a good air rifle, I have not seen one yet. On there web site they have many nice looking models and as Redfeather has mentioned they have improved there technology. BUT it does not look like they export them to the US. At least I have not found anyone who is a distributor for Hatsan products yet. And I am not talking about Hatsan guns made to other's specs. I mean the real deal....:) A Hatsan.... brand...
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Gene, You might not have been responding to me, but I didn't sound like I was promoting Hatsan, did I?!?! One thing I didn't mention, I have the Winchester 1000x because someone recommended it as a springer that was tough on rifle scopes...and, in other words, good for my testing. In other words, I have a Hatsan BECAUSE it is rough. I haven't really ever heard someone speaking the praises of Hatsan...Or Mendoza for that matter (my personal dealings with Mendoza leave something to be desired). On the other hand, lots of people (not on GTA) put down Chinese rifles, and really if it were not for Chinese rifles, I probably would not have gotten back into shooting! So I don't want to discourage Hatsan as maybe they'll turn that corner too. I respect your perspective on guns, always, as a tuner because you get into the guts and you know. Maybe you should offer consulting services to Hatsan so they can improve their product? Better competition might lead to lower prices and we'd all benefit!
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Actually I had assumed that was why you had the Hatsan made air gun...:) I love to give these guys a rash about their Hatsan made air guns anyway.. hehehehe Especially Dave and Thomas who seem to be very hard core Hatsan...:)