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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Gamo Gate => : CharlieDaTuna December 17, 2009, 02:28:01 PM
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I think that it is important that any of our members that may be considering purchasing a Gamo be made aware of this.
To answer the question from the previous post, "Is it a whole lot better than the original trigger"? The new trigger block is certailly not a whole lot better and in fact, far worse in design.
It now looks like they have started to use the new action and trigger block in more of the Gamo lines. It's sad because the older models could be TurboTuned and made into a really good gun and the trigger could be improved. That has all gone by the wayside it seems. The spring guide assembly is now a one piece construction and the guide is made like the cheaper Chinese guide that is tapered and not a true round guide and just a molded piece of plastic. It is also a part of the trigger block and all one piece. The trigger block is a mixed bag and for all intent and purposes not any better and probably worse that the older model.
As everyone knows, I have been a big supporter and promoter of most of the Gamo models for many years and have always felt they were a "diamond in the rough" . But.... not any longer. No longer will you be able to make them perform like the earlier versions. If tuned and lubed right, and especially if TurboTuned, they were a super shooter but it won't be that way any longer (at least not without a lot more expense if at all). It won't be the way it used to be with the Gamo's any more. The new ones will be limited to a Super Tune at best.
My suggestion to anybody considering purchasing a Gamo, if it's not the early model, give it a second and serious thought. I would ask the dealer which ones he has before placing the order. Looking at it you can't tell but if you take a magnet and check the trigger blade and safety and it's not metal, step back. And if you want to get a good Gamo, you had better get it now before they are all gone.
The time has come to really look the other way and spend a little more and consider the RWS or something else at that level. At least they can be tuned and have really good results and a good trigger when done.
I'm going to stick this one for awhile because I feel that it is important that all members and guest's should be aware of this.
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That is a bummer Bob since I had a fondness for the Gamo's also and they always shined with a tune. :) Start looking in the Classifieds gang or at a different brand of shooter like the one Bob mentioned above, RWS or even the B 26, 28, etc. type of shooter's. Gamo may be going the way of the dodo bird :o :0 Ed
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Bob, thanks very much for the news. Too bad Gamo went that route......turning a half decent product(s) to a worst one. The general buying public probably won't know about this but with the internet or word of mouth, Gamo's bottom line will suffer eventually.
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Sounds like the resale values just jumped on the turbo tuned models.. Nothing like having a collectable Gamo to hand down!
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Hi Charlie
After reading another post he mentioned a plastic trigger guard is that also another sign of the new replacement parts or is it just the trigger blade and safety?
Thanks
Gary
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A Big Welcome to the GTA forum and family Gatonini. No, some (If not all) of the Gamo trigger guards currently are in plastic already. The current safety and trigger blades are steel.
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Hey Bob, Thanks for the heads up or maybe its a heads down:(.. on the new Gamo's. It's always a shame when these company bean counters get the final say on production. I have always wondered what the actual percentage of serious AG people is to the mass AG people all about the $ I guess. Hopefully the Germans will continue to make quality long term AG's.Tony
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The Gamo's have a plastic trigger guard and that's not a good way to determine if it's a late production. It's the trigger and safety that matters.
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boy,...ive seen a number of big cats, shadows, and even hunters on the local craigslist for $75-125 dollars. i may have to start snatching all these up !!
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I just bought a Big Cat on Black Friday. I have shot maybe 700 rounds through it and I noticed the first 1/3 of the cocking pull is very light and the end of the cocking pull makes a strange grinding feel and sound. I was going to send it back to Gamo because it is under waranty. I've read that if there is something wrong with it they will not fix it but send a new one to replace it. Are you saying there is a chance they will send me one with a plastic trigger? The reason I bought this gun was from what I read about changing the trigger and having a decent gun. What do you think I should do?
jml
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Tear it down James!!! For a $120 rifle,....you should be able to 'fix' it. Better to dig into it,...than to end up with a replacement rifle with the "new and improved" trigger group. These rifles are easy to work on,...and a self tune is well worth the effort. Lots of us have tuned and worked on this particular rifle 'platform' so help is just an EM/Post away!!!! Trust me, you'll be glad you did!!!!tjk
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I agree with Thomas,,,,,, at least you know what you have now. You don't know what kind of replacement you're gonna get.
If you have a spring compressor do what Thomas said, tear it down, they're pretty simple and basic and with a little work you'll have a great shooter.....
JEff
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I probably would have taken it apart sooner or later anyway, I was hoping later than sooner. This gun is less than one month old!
Merry Christmas everyone!!!
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hi
well i live in italy and it's more or less 3 weeks that i bought a gamo cfx royal . i looked at the trigger assembly and got a relif to know that it is all steel . i seem to read that the gamo cost less in thee states . here i paid almost 350 euro's for mine thats ( 501 dollars) then got the gamo scope 4 x 32 not good at all keeps going off sight , and finally got a gun case to keep it in ( also out of sight of my daughter). so i guess i paid more or less around 650 for all . o by the way here even air compressed arms ALL AIR ARMS get registered at the gun shop , police and finally you neet transport papers even if it's not a firearm to move it aruond . ( papers are to avoid problems that the cops can make if they wan't to)
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i wanted to know if there is someone in the europe zone that does your famous tuneup's for cfx ? :)
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The laws in Italy concerning airguns are more strict than Canada's.....for now. We can buy <500fps airguns without papers off the shelf. For anything over 500fps, that's another story...Firearms Safety courses must be taken and passed, PAL (Procession and Acquisition License) needed (Process will require Municipal, Provincial and Federal law enforcement depts to check if you have a violent criminal history...if you do, you're not going to get the PAL). The >500fps airguns are considered FIREARMS.....so a trigger lock is necessary for them.
For long arms i.e shotguns, real rifles and air rifles we do not need papers to move them around....only a trigger lock, gun case and ammunition separated from them. For handguns.....lot's of paperwork....and papers to move them around.
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God bless the USA!
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well you can get a airrifle that shoots up to 309 ft per sec. but as i said thier strict on maney things . you can't shoot at any type of animals meaning birds ,squrils or any other type of critter. only for shootimg targets , if you wan't to shoot critters you need to get a hunting licence . if caught shooting animals it's in court that you settle the facts with fines and alot of them. i got some land in the mountains about 40 km from where i live so i go there to use the cfx. as you seen before even the prices don't joke around here either.i went to the gun shop where i bought the cfx and told then that the scope goes of sight very often , so they told me that the gun isn't a high power gun and theres no way the recoil gets near to damaging the scope. and that i have to bring it in to get a another block mounted on the scope rail behind the scope so it doesn't move . i don't think it moves but think that the gamo scope 4 x32 is just defective. get it zeroed take some shots thier perfect in center then they go 1" up to sides and all around the center just goes anywhere but center . get it zeroed then jaust as before centers few times then goes looney ?????
by the way i'm from canada b.c then 20 years ago transfered to italy .
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sorry for the stupidity but what is the differnce form cfx and cfx combo ??
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Use a pencil to draw some lines on the receiver to mark the spot where the scope mount rests. Also on the scope tube where the mount rings clamp. Shoot about 20 shots and see if the mount or scope moves or not. Don't know about the CFX and CFX Combo....but I would think the Combo would include a scope mount and scope with the rifle.
By the way, alot of shop owners don't know about the double recoil of airguns (Spring piston guns).....they think any scope can handle their recoil. I've had that experience myself.
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ok i will try that as soon as we pass throuh these holidays first , have to go the house in mountains to try it . the bang when it's fired is rather loud is that normal , don't here spring vib but a firecracker bang like sound .has power shoot a piece of board about 2cm thick at a distance 15-20 meters went right thouugh . (compensated press boardchips ) not solid wood , but happy the same it's good enough for me .so many questions to ask cause i have little sxperience !!!. last and least and won't bother you til next year ok i promise .i saw a cfx with the stock really shiney like as it if war varnished with clear coat but read that it was only polished with wax , what's your word on this , is it better or does it only look better but handle worst for shooting (slippage)when shooting.
ok as promised no more questions til next year . have a happy and a good new year to everyone .
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Any smoke still coming out of the muzzle after the shot....if there is....that means there's still some lubricant that's in the air chamber and causing detonation. I hope you didn't shoot the PBA Raptor pellets that usually come with Gamo air rifles.....they're too light and will ruin your gun....also the lightness of the pellets will cause poor accuracy. Those are the pellets that's supposed to give your 1250fps.
If you've used some or all of those PBA Raptor pellets.....they most likely damaged the pistol seal. They are too light and the piston would have been slamming onto the end of the receiver...maybe causing the seal to crack or chipped. Which lets some lubricant to leak into the air chamber and causing the "big bang"....and since there might be a crack on the piston seal....you won't get consistant air pressure causing bad shots.
If you didn't abuse your CFX....I would think the piston seal should still be in perfect condition. No cracks or tears on the seal so no oils will leak into the air chamber. Hopefully when they put the rifle together, they didn't damage the seal.
I don't own a CFX so I don't know how loud it is.....but I think their powerplant are the same as the Shadow, Big Cat, Viper and Whisper. I also don't know how loud the Shadows are, but I've a Big Cat and she's loud.....after over 3700 shots now....and she's still loud. So I'm thinking the Shadows and CFX's would be loud. My Viper have a bull barrel and the Whisper have it's "muffler" so both those air rifles are quiet. Hope this helps.
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hi
ok to start HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!!!! . well when i bought run rifle they gave ge some itallian pellets to shoot . very light and they are for air pistols nor air rifle! they look somthing like this but have a the name fiocchi , they have a flat head and clearly indicates for air pistol .
http://store.armeriacaspani.it/aria_compressa/piombini/rws_geco.html .
i stopped using thoes and now i use jsb exact or hn baracuda they seem to get much closer . staying in the 7 to 9.5 grains as min and max weight .got H&n Baracuda , JSB EXACT , MARKSMAN not so good , and then FIOCCHI air pistol pellets that they gave me with the gun. find that the jsb are good and the H&N also are good , the others are flyers. what else do you recomend to use . got some BIGBOYS but they are too heavy , not good for the rifle so don't know what to do with them now . i bought a one piece scope mount and as i said in the previous post a bushnell 3-9 x 32 scope , but still waiting for it to get here . (shipping takes awhile) . can't do any upgrades in power cause if the cops test the gun it's to jail i go !!!!!!!
7.5 joules max !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a bummer ha . at 20 meters pellet goes through wood chip board 2 cm thick , that normal ?
should it be more powerful than that ? i don't know cause the last air rifle i got was at least 20 years ago in canada ( lived in vancouver back then). so i'm leaving you with alot of questions today , i saw that you talked about the muzzle on the rifle , mine has it as well but don't have the experience to know if the noise is a lot or just right .
anyway HAPPY NEW YEAR HOPE THIS ONE IS BETTER THAT THE LAST . CIAO MEANS BYE BYE .
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I have never shot or bought JSB Exact pellets....I believe they come in different grain weights. Almost all airgunners say they are very accurate. The H&N Baracuda....I don't know which model you used...mine are the .177 Diabolo Baracuda and they weight 10.65gr. A little too heavy for spring piston airguns some people say. The Beeman Kodiaks are the same as the Baracuda. I usually don't shoot them....I onlyuse one air rifle to shoot the Kodiaks because they are very accurate....and I use them only for the GTA Target Shooting Matches. When I shoot for fun I switch back to .177 Crosman Premier Hollow Points (7.9gr).
I don't know what kind of speed a 7.5 joules airgun can give you. But my .177 Gamo Viper is shooting Crosman 7.9gr. pellets at around 875fps....and 10.65gr. Diabolo Baracuda pellets around 790fps. I have shot at solid wood (Unfortunately I don't know what kind) at 30 yards distance and the Kodiaks went in 1/4" plus the length of the pellets.
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Ha! Vive la France, where you can go up to 10 joules (7.375 foot pounds) with no license, and then above 10 joules with a hunting license (not hard to get, judging by some of the guys tramping the fields around here). It ain't the US, nor even the UK (up to 16 joules, currently allowed if I understand correctly), but it's okay. And if you use a round of brie for a target, you can make your own "Swiss cheese" for about a buck fifty. Har har. On the other hand, Germany, and Italy it sounds like, is limited to something like 7 joules (about 5.2 fps).
For reference, 10 joules is what the Shadow 640 or a Beeman R7 delivers in .117 cal, which gives you ~200 meters/sec, or ~660 fps (nominal; 640 fps?).
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what about a gamo 890s?thinking about buying one from a member on here.
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Going back to the original subject of the new Gamo trigger assembly, has anyone tried this trigger? Is it a whole lot better than the old original or was the change a purely financial decision to save a few manufacturing bucks?
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There have been a number of people that have them and so far the it seems that there is little or no improvement. Gene has had a couple of them in for tuning and is considering not taking in any more of the late model Gamo's because of the poor modification that were done and not being able to make the improvements needed to make them into the shooters that the older models were.
I have seen one of them that Gene had in and I would agree with him and if I were still in the business, I don't think I would work on them either. You just can't provide the customer what he pays for.
Like I said in the initial post, I have been a big supporter and promoter of most of the Gamo models for many years and have always felt they were a "diamond in the rough" . But.... not any longer. No longer will you be able to make them perform like the earlier versions. If tuned and lubed right, and especially if TurboTuned, the Gamo's were a super shooter but it won't be that way any longer (at least not without a lot more expense if at all). It won't be the way it used to be with the Gamo's any more. The new ones will be limited to a Super Tune at best.
My suggestion to anybody considering purchasing a Gamo, if it's not the early model, give it a second and serious thought. If I were ordering a Gamo, I would ask the dealer which ones he has before placing the order. If it's the Gamo with the plastic trigger, I wouldn't order it,
Looking at it you can't tell but if you take a magnet and check the trigger blade and safety and it's not metal, step back. And if you want to get a good Gamo, you had better get it now before they are all gone.
The time has come to really look the other way and spend a little more and consider the RWS or something else at that level or buy something Chinese. At least they can be tuned and have really good results and a good trigger when done.
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Jimmo68, if you think your gun might be exceeding the power limit and you have not had it chronographed to determine the fps, I recommend you do not. That way, should it be too high in power, you can always plead that you bought it with the implied warranty that the gun met the legal restrictions. In other words, let the seller take the blame. (http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-smile.gif) Even a seemingly low powered gun can knock some impressive holes into a board. Be sure your scope stop is on tight and that the stop pin in the bottom is into one of the shallow holes in the top of the mounting rib. I've had Gamo's come with the stop improperly positioned and it soon "walked" clear back to the end cap in a couple of shots. The 4X32 Gamo branded scope is not knowm to be a very good one. Why not try your open sights while awaiting the new scope? I really like them (have a Royal, too.) About the nicest gun Gamo makes. Glad you have the good trigger (as bad as it is) since you can get Charlie's gold trigger and make it great. Welcome to club!
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hi
well i bought the Charlie's trigger but i'm still waiting for it. in italy we all know that if it gets to me , thats all ready a miricle. well about the cfx royal it's declaered that it shoots 1000 ft/sec out of the muzzel and that is what is declaired on the papers the gunsmith left me . so i don't really know what this means in power wise. it's 305 meters out of the muzzle. i'm also using the jsb extra and the H&N Baracuda macth at this time and don't know if it may damage the spring . shoots well with these . as i said hope that i bought a good scope for it it's a bushnel sharpshooter 3-9 x 32 . hope i'm worng but , i think that the gunsmigh is not informed enough regaurding air rifles .the reason i say this is they told me that i can put any scope on this rifle without having any problems . i apologize to any one that reads what i write for i am a newcomer in the field , and may have misinterpted some things , just trying to understand some things about airgunning . if there is some suggestions to what pellets i should use , i would greatly thank you. i only use it for target shooting ( at the moment more o less 20 meters )distance till i get the new mounts and scope . will the scope stand the rifle ? or is it the wrong type ? so sorry for always writing questions , but have to learn from somewhere and need people who know what they say for advise cause it seems that here in ITALY they don't know much !!!!!!
thanks to all of you for your time . :D
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I really don't know if that scope is air gun rated or not. You might ask in a separate post on the Airgun Gate section. I'm sure there are many CFX owners here who can point you to the best pellets.
The "gunsmith" was only quoting Gamo's ridiculous claim about the 1,000 fps. That would be with light, alloy pellets which you DON'T want to shoot. If they came with it, toss them or use them in something really low powered. Should you feel the gunsmith's statement will get you in trouble, you can always chronograph it. It will be well below 1,000 fps, rest assured. And, if you are forced to, go with the heaviest pellet you can for the test. Ought to be even slower.
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Just a quick note. Went to Cabela's in PA a few days ago to help out my son's friend pick out a new Gamo. Glad I read this thread before going. Glad to report that the new Shadow Sport does not have the new trigger assembly, yet. The only model in Cabela's with the new trigger was the CFX. Funny how Gamo took a very average, at best, component and made it worse. I have 3 Whispers and an older CFX. All Turbo Tuned and GRT's installed by the Tuna. Also all Gamo scopes replaced. Each gun has had a minimum of 7,000 to 8,000 rounds fired, and it seems they are performing better as they age. It really is a shame that with all the negative feedback on the older trigger, Gamo decides to downgrade it. Got to be a cheaper manufacturing decision. I think I will be hanging on to mine for quite a while!!!
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hi charlie , and all
i am asking if there is a spring kit for my cfx , in poor words boost the power but since im in italy i'll have to do it . no hard feelings but it's just to let you that the postal system is real bad here . the trigger i ordered in dec , well still hasent got here yet and i doubt if it will in the future (probely got stolen or lost)
, use to that happens often!!!!! have to go girlfriends gonna kill me if im late again . thanks to all ... jim :D
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I'm not so sure you can successfully boost the power in a CFX much above factory levels. From what we have discussed here recently, the two o-rings don't seem able to hold enough pressure for the gun to exceed 900 fps in .177. Simply a good tuning (deburr, lube, perhaps a new seal) is a better path to take.
If you don't get the trigger, there are other options open to you that can be done from hardware store parts. Ask on the Yellow forum for the do it yourself Gamo trigger mods. Not as elegant but I think it is will be better than the factory trigger.
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Just spring for FedEx or UPS. (Pun intended.) Quite reliable.
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hi guys
i wanted to know is the cfx only 7.5 joules or isn't there more powerfull ones . i saw on youtube that there was a 16 joule ( think it was a cfx ) ?? and another always on youtube as i said before not sure , but if i remember correct it was a 23 joule(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-surprised.gif) (http://javascript:insertEmotion('smiley-surprised.gif','lang_emotions_surprised');).in all wanted to know if the whole gun changes or if it's the spring and internal ass , but the body chassis is the same dimensions ? thanks for the patience . jim(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-smile.gif) (http://"javascript:insertEmotion('smiley-smile.gif','lang_emotions_smile');)
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Cheer up guys! Once you think about it, GAMO made lots and lots of the old style rifles that we all have come to love. It's likely plausible that there are those models still being sold in spectacular numbers. It's up to us to contact the company/store prior to purchase to confirm if the rifle has the plastic trigger assembly or not. This may be a set back for some...or many -- but I'm sure we'll all get our hands on the older model shooters in one instance or another.
However, for now we'll let the new models flood the market and hope that there's some miracle that some fine gent will take the time and modify/reproduce a better trigger assembly for those patient few :)
-Jarred