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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Gamo Gate => : Raj December 22, 2009, 11:01:52 AM
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Greetings.
Im new to here, invited by Charlie from Charliedatune.
now I wanted to get Big Cat 1200 in lawful outtah here Im livin in Japan...
I do Room Air Precision Shooting (10~15 meters with rifle - standing) with my Gas operating Rifle but its almost controlled by temperature.
and so I want to get Gamo Air n search a lot of web shop n Forums, reviews.
then I met the Big Cat 1200, is great shape, lookin oldschool, I love it...
well, here we has the rule for energy that the Air/Gus Rifle/Pistol cannot has the power over 1 Joule...
its, about under 250~260 FPS with 5 grain pelllet.
and also JP Customs does not allow to import this kind of powerful Rifle ( they check the power @ customhouse.)
So I want to meet the man who could buy it and weakened tuning like,, change the mainspring to super weak one or something simple method.
I have the budget $300 + SHIPPING for this offer.
someone might say buy toy gun ot something but my target is Gamo Big Cat.
please understand :0
does anyone can do this tuning? or are there any other good tuning shop which can be order online?
Thank you very much for read my post.
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That's going to be very, very low powered for such a gun. The pellet's travel time in the long barrel ("dwell time") might make it difficult to shoot well. I guess you could find a spring weak enough, but it might also make the piston's travel time sluggish, as well. May be better to look at one of the Gamo's similar to the Big Cat but with a smaller fps. Modifying a power plant designed to shoot around 900 fps is going to be difficult if, indeed, possible. Your speed limit is below a BB gun's. I'm wondering if you might be better served by a detuned Daisy 953. Not a springer but a good indoor gun and it starts at 450 fps. I'm thinking it could be reduced with a little work and still be accurate.
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Greetings, Thank you very much for the reply!
Yes,,, I understand it, but I will remodeling to accurate if I got it with the power.
just need to pass the test of customs. also all of my offer is not illegal.
and Thank you very much! will searching about Daisy 953.
Respect!
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or just want to get it -without mainspring- and -Factory package-, -any pellet-. like as a display model, Thank you very much
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It may be possable to do the same as the 500fps Quest for the canadin market..
They have a small holed drilled though the piston crown with a tophat that has
vent slots milled in it...So diffrent hole sizes would tune the power out put..
PS...TIP of the day...
If you have a 500fps Quest....Put a O-ring in the rescess in the tophat
to stop the air...and its a 1000fps gun again...
Pete
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Read where he is - Japan. Canada restricts to below 500 fps. He's at a little more than half that. My concern is any springer designed to shoot above 450 fps (considering the Air Hawk is sold at that rating in Canada) will not perform well under 300 fps. And he has to pass a test in order to receive the gun. My gut tells me that below 300 fps a springer just won't shoot well.
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RedFeather - 12/23/2009 2:18 PM
Read where he is - Japan. Canada restricts to below 500 fps. He's at a little more than half that. My concern is any springer designed to shoot above 450 fps (considering the Air Hawk is sold at that rating in Canada) will not perform well under 300 fps. And he has to pass a test in order to receive the gun. My gut tells me that below 300 fps a springer just won't shoot well.
Just a idea Red...just a idea...
Pete
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Yes, Kiwi! Thank you very much for your kind tips+ any tips will helps me, for my shooting. Respect*
well is it so hard to send me the BC1200 which has no mainspring or super weakened? of course I will paid for the help. even though... my budget is $300 for this plan, and BC1200 is $130~$150 from some web shop.
still WANTED the Man!
Thank you very much.
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RedFeather - 12/23/2009 12:18 AM
Read where he is - Japan. Canada restricts to below 500 fps. He's at a little more than half that. My concern is any springer designed to shoot above 450 fps (considering the Air Hawk is sold at that rating in Canada) will not perform well under 300 fps. And he has to pass a test in order to receive the gun. My gut tells me that below 300 fps a springer just won't shoot well.
Thank you very much redfeather, and I do not need the accuracy and strictly power tune for my offer, even its enough if the spring is not for the Air Rifle.
Thank you very much!
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Welcome to the GTA forum and family Raj. Sorry, can't help with your situation.....Redfeather seems to know what's he's talking about.
Kiwi....those are fantastic ideas. What about welding shut that hole in the piston crown.....would that work?
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gamo2hammerli - 12/23/2009 4:28 PM
Welcome to the GTA forum and family Raj. Sorry, can't help with your situation.....Redfeather seems to know what's he's talking about.
Kiwi....those are fantastic ideas. What about welding shut that hole in the piston crown.....would that work?
welding it would sure work......
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Why not tap it and insert a threaded plug? Maybe even silver solder?
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If a very tight piston seal is installed it should work. ST replaced his seal and it just go pftt until he took some material off to shoot right. this should make Raj BC to pass inspection then just either replace or sand the side for proper fit.
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One possible solution:
Take off the top hat. Take out the rear spring guide block. After doing that you shorten the piston spring in such a way that there is no spring preload at all. Use a very loose fitting piston seal to literally allow air to bleed through the piston seal. Take off the breech seal on the barrel. Cut off about 6 - 8 inches from the length of the barrel and then do a chrony test. If it is still a bit high then cut some more coils on the spring. Your only objective in doing this is to pass custom certification. Once you're good to go ship the original parts in a separate package and just re-install everything. :)
Using the Crosman G-1 Extreme as my platform from 850FPS I've lost about 300FPS by just simply forgetting to install the breech seal! LOL! My mistake but that mistake later taught me that there are a lot of ways to detune an airgun to shoot better. Hehehe. at 550FPS the recoil is very light making the G-1 good for paper targets.
Good luck. Too bad I can't do this experiment for you since I can't afford to buy a Big Cat right now and test this mod.
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Bentong - 12/24/2009 1:33 AM
If a very tight piston seal is installed it should work. ST replaced his seal and it just go pftt until he took some material off to shoot right. this should make Raj BC to pass inspection then just either replace or sand the side for proper fit.
Thank you very much for your tip! will try for it if I got the BC* Respect
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speedturtle - 12/24/2009 2:13 AM
One possible solution:
Take off the top hat. Take out the rear spring guide block. After doing that you shorten the piston spring in such a way that there is no spring preload at all. Use a very loose fitting piston seal to literally allow air to bleed through the piston seal. Take off the breech seal on the barrel. Cut off about 6 - 8 inches from the length of the barrel and then do a chrony test. If it is still a bit high then cut some more coils on the spring. Your only objective in doing this is to pass custom certification. Once you're good to go ship the original parts in a separate package and just re-install everything. :)
Using the Crosman G-1 Extreme as my platform from 850FPS I've lost about 300FPS by just simply forgetting to install the breech seal! LOL! My mistake but that mistake later taught me that there are a lot of ways to detune an airgun to shoot better. Hehehe. at 550FPS the recoil is very light making the G-1 good for paper targets.
Good luck. Too bad I can't do this experiment for you since I can't afford to buy a Big Cat right now and test this mod.
Give BIg Thanx speedturtle! you`ll be my lighthouse, feel you are the man! PM me pleasee.
Respect
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Raj - 12/22/2009 5:01 PM
Greetings.
Im new to here, invited by Charlie from Charliedatune.
now I wanted to get Big Cat 1200 in lawful outtah here Im livin in Japan...
I do Room Air Precision Shooting (10~15 meters with rifle - standing) with my Gas operating Rifle but its almost controlled by temperature.
and so I want to get Gamo Air n search a lot of web shop n Forums, reviews.
then I met the Big Cat 1200, is great shape, lookin oldschool, I love it...
well, here we has the rule for energy that the Air/Gus Rifle/Pistol cannot has the power over 1 Joule...
its, about under 250~260 FPS with 5 grain pelllet.
and also JP Customs does not allow to import this kind of powerful Rifle ( they check the power @ customhouse.)
So I want to meet the man who could buy it and weakened tuning like,, change the mainspring to super weak one or something simple method.
I have the budget $300 + SHIPPING for this offer.
someone might say buy toy gun ot something but my target is Gamo Big Cat.
please understand :0
does anyone can do this tuning? or are there any other good tuning shop which can be order online?
Thank you very much for read my post.
Here, try this: http://www.catsdomain.com/
In all seriousness, I wish you all the best in your quest, but it appears to me to be a tricky one.
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Dehouser - 12/26/2009 5:08 PM
In all seriousness, I wish you all the best in your quest, but it appears to me to be a tricky one.
I perfectly agree with you Dehouser. However tricky it may be, I think all that he is asking is to have the Big Cat shoot at about 250FPS without any regard to accuracy. It would be funny to look at the facial expressions of those Japanese custom officials when they test Raj's Big Cat performing like an anemic airgun! LOL! I think one more thing that could help Raj to pass custom inspection is to declare the airgun as a "used" one so that they will not question why the Big Cat performed poorly during firing. Hehehe. There are a lot of ways to skin a cat... a Big Cat in this sense. LOL!