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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Airgun Gate => : airjunkie December 26, 2009, 12:49:36 AM
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hey guys ive just been lurking around soaking up info so this is my first post. im a complete noob to air guns, i owned a 1377c a couple years ago but my ex gf "misplaced" it. i just recently bought the 1000ws on sale at bass pro for $70. i was gonna buy the storm xt but it was $50 bucks more so i passed. my question what mods do you guys recommend for this rifle. ive seen a bunch of instructional posts for the ones made in turkey but mine is made in china. ive gotten my groups down pretty tight (5 shots into a beer bottle cap @15yds) nothin amazing but for a noob i don think its too bad. i still think the trigger is way too heavy though. i wanna use it for squirrel n crow hunting. any reviews, commentary, or opinions on this rifle for hunting varmint? any help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks!
- the junkie
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Welcome to the GTA! Can't help you on that but those that can will be along
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thanks! yeah this is a great forum...ive been on this all night. i should prob get some sleep haha. talk to you guys in a few hours! squirrels w/ santa hats FTW!
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Welcome, AG are addictive I started with two old AGs and have progressed to four..headed to AG AA.. Lots of great info here
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Merry Christmas and welcome to the forum.This is a Great Place To Be!!
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i saw a pile of those at bass pro shops last week and like an idiot i said ill come back in a couple days and get one or two well when i went back the pile was completely gone i wish i wouldnt have waited i dont have one so im not the guy to help you either but someone on this forum will know something welcome good luck with it if youre already getting groups that good it sounds like you got a good one
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Welcome to GTA.... nice to have you with us :D
As for the powerline 1000 ....... I have 2 of em and they are the hardest hitting .177 rifles in my collection, they're also deadly accurate. They are a bit "crude" in that the trigger is stiff and they can have a harsh firing cycle but they are real power houses and if you do your part they will give you great accuracy. Your rifle will make a great small game rifle. Do yourself a favor,,,, get yourself a pellets sampler pack from straightshooters.com or anywhere else you'd like and see what pellets your rifle likes. Different rifles like different pellets and the right pellet makes all the difference in the world. In the meantime I'd suggest starting off with the Crosman hollow points that are available at almost all Walmarts. They usually work well in most rifles and they are an excellent hunting pellet. Stay away from pointed pellets, they usually don't fly well and won't give you the accuracy you'll need for hunting. I believe Walmart also sells the regular Crosman domed pellets, I'd pick up a tin of them as well.
As for the trigger being hard,,, yeah it is but it will lighten up a bit just by being shot. You can of course always do a home tune on the rifle when you feel you're ready to tackle that, but in the meantime I'd suggest just taking the rifle out of the stock, wiping off all the cheap oil that may be on it and then put it back in the stock. Then go ahead and clean the barrel really well using "Goo Gone", which is a citrus based cleaning liquid available at most good hardware stores. Just use the Goo-Gone with clean patches. Pull them through the barrel by inserting the patch where you'd load the pellet and then pull it thru towards the muzzle. Don't use any metal cleaning rods, instead cut a length of weed whacker line. Sharpen one end to a point so you can spear the cleaning patch and on the other end use a lighter to heat the line and form a "bulb" that will serve to keep that patch on the line as you pull it through the barrel. Alternate with patches with some Goo - Gone on it and clean patches until the patches come out clean. Then you're all set to shoot. You don't have to clean it again until accuracy starts to suffer which will be a lot of shots :)
You're going to want to scope the rifle and when you do make sure you get a good set of mounts.... I"d suggest an Accushot 1 piece mount and a scope rated for spring air rifles.... like Leapers or BSA. there are other brand names but those are the 2 I use the most. Opticsplanet.com sells a leapers 3x9x32 AO scope that is perfect for that rifle and they sell it for like $50 bucks shipped.
Well, you've got enough info to get started so get out there, shoot and have fun. I'm sure others will chime in with their advice. I'll be looking forward to your future posts and once again...... Welcome to GTA :D
Jeff
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Oh wow thanks longisland!! i know what ill be doing today!. thanks for the warm welcome guys. yeah i get those groups with cphps
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you think you can guide me through a proper home tune on this AG? and do you think a scope more powerful than 3-9 would be overkill for the 1000ws?
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If you use the "search" feature on GTA you'll be able to pull up more than enough info to guide you through a home tune as there are quite a few members who've tuned up their powerline rifles. There is also a website devoted just to tuning up the winchester and powerline 1000's and a search should turn that up for you. For right now I'd say just have some fun shooting and hunting with the rifle, you don't have to tune it right away.
As for the scope.... scopes are always a matter of personal preference. That being said my personal preference for general target shooting and hunting scopes is a 3x9 variable, with my favorite being that Leapers 3x9x32 that I mentioned earlier. I personally don't think you need anything more than a 3x9 power scope for general small game hunting. Others may feel differently of course and that's fine because like I said a scope is a matter of personal choice. Keep in mind with regard to small game hunting in reality you're going to be shooting at game out to a maximum around 40 yards, with most of your shots actually being much closer in the 20 yard range. For that kind of shooting you don't really need anything more powerful than a 3x9.
However,,, it's your rifle.... if you feel you either need or want a bigger scope than treat yourself to a big honkin scope :emoticon:
Jeff
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haha naw i agree with you on the scope. for some reason i got the impression that the new powerlines made in china had trigger groups that were different than the directions online. and jw..has anyone chronied their powerline?
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Welcome to the forum! I just recently purchased one of these Chinese versions as well, and you can find some good info in the link (below) to my post about this AG. The Chinese version does have a different trigger group than the Hatsan variant...there is a pic of it in my thread. The only things that I've done so far is to ditch the two piece mounts that came w/it for a one piece, and I replaced that heavy ass spring on the trigger w/a much lighter one and it's already made a huge improvement...some more tinkering and selective polishing would help as well. I don't have a chrony so I can't provide you w/any hard #'s, but I can tell you that it hits as hard as my other 'magnums' in .177 caliber. Goodluck and let us know if you end up doing a home tune.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=23582&mid=187246#M187246
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where did you find the spring for the trigger?
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Welcome to GTA Forums airjunkie. Glad to have you aboard. I haven't seen too much posted about the Chinese versions of the Daisy/Powerline/Winchester 1000 series but the thread that Stan posted above will get you started in the right direction. The powerplant is probably the same as the Hatsan versions but the trigger group is definately different. As far as a trigger spring, try one from a retractable ball point pen cut to length.
I have 2 of the Hatsan versions, one Powerline synth stock and a Winchester wooden stock. These are real powerhouseshooters and tack drivers as far as accuracy. They make good hunters. But they definately need some massaging to make them more managable and enjoyable shooters.
Check out the thread for info on the powerplant modifications. I would like to get my hands on a Chinese version to tear down the trigger group and write up a detailed instruction set. Mainly need to polish all the contact surfaces and add a light coat of moly to make make them smooth.
Again, welcome.
Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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a ball point pen huh....sounds cheap enough, then just bend the ends to fit in the holes?
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Yup, that's what I did, and it seemed to work fine...although I believe that I had to shorten and stretch the spring a wee bit to get the desired length and tension.
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well,..........mine shows turkish markings; but upon disassembly has the "brazilian" trigger group.
heres a great link for some trigger tuning info:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/392756/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/392756/thread/1143356613/last-1185689641/Brazilian+Daisy+Winchester+1000X+tune-up+with+pics
http://www.kermitairgunclub.com/airguntips/images/trigger.jpg
****now the question is,............is this the daisy 1000 (spain) that the grt trigger fits...???
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yeah i replaced it with the pen spring... mann! talk about feather light trigger pull!
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unfortunatly my trigger group doesnt look like that :0
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I have a Daisy Powerline 1000 and it out shoots my tuned B28 .22 with ease. And they can be had at good prices.
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I have a walnut stocked Turkish Win. 1000x I am willing to sell if anyone is interested.....it is over on the classifieds if anyone wants to take a look....will email pics ......