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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Airgun Gate => : ledtone December 27, 2009, 11:49:45 AM
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IM going to visit my kids in oregon this week.Im excited, i dont know rules on transporting airguns so i will probably leave them home.I saw a daisy powerline 1000 for under $80 dollars and a remington vantage for $99.Which is better?They are both cheap enough to buy when im gone.I just want to know if they can be enjoyable shooters?Any comments will be appreciated.Also ive torn guns down before but ive never tuned one.Are the lubes nessasary to smoothe out the shooting available at hardware or gun shops?
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I had a Turkish Daisy and it was a bit harsh and the trigger was heavy. Might I suggest the Ruger Air Hawk? Mine was much better and very easy to work on. Spare parts are abundant(accepts 34 parts). As for moly you can get a tube from a Honda Cycle shop:
Moly 60 Paste
Part Number 08734-0001
You can substitute spring tar with a fifth wheel/open gear lube.
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I have a vantage and I am waiting for it to come back from a tune that Gene was doing for me. It is really like the Quest 1000. I don't know about the Daisy Powerline 1000. The Vantage seemed to me to be a potent and reasonably accurate gun before the tune, but no question to me it needed a tune to calm down -- it was light and had a lot of recoil. I am hoping the recoil is significantly reduced...and from Gene's testing the power is actually up... I expect to know more in a little over a week when I have it in my hands! I think it is a great under $100 buy.
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are the internals on the summit the same as the vantage?If so why is it so much more money?
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If the rifle will be used for plinking, which I think it would be, then I think you want a LOW powered spring or SSP rifle. Low power spring rifles are also MUCH easier to shoot than the high velocity rifles, less vibration and less sensitive to variations in hold. Because, if your kids can't hit what they are aiming at, the high powered rifles are WORTHLESS, as they will get frustrated and not want to shoot. This is why I recommend a LOW power rifle as the first rifle for a kid.
My 3 low power plinkers are the Daisy 953, the Gamo Delta and the IZH-60/61.
The Gamo DELTA has a so-so trigger. But is easy to cock and shoot. I think the Delta has been replaced by the Recon, but it is still listed for sale at various sites.
The Daisy 953 is my favorite. As an SSP, there is NO shooting vibration, which makes it a lot easier to shoot accurately. BUT you have to deburr the trigger, the stock trigger has a very gritty pull, and you will be fighting the trigger, which is BAD for accurate shooting.
The IZH-60/61 "looks cool" and for kids, looks can be important. IZH is the most expensive of the 3, but it has the BEST trigger. The IZH-60 is a single shot, the IZH-61 is a repeater (you cock the spring and the rifle self loads). It is also the lightest, and because of that when you shoot, it vibrates the most. The IZH is the hardest of the 3 to mount a red-dot or scope on.
Whatever you get, I recommend that you get an inexpensive red-dot sight, it is much easier to aim with than the stock open sights. I have an inexpensive TASCO red-dot on all my plinkers and training rifles. I think it costs about $35 at Midway.
The red-dot has ZERO magnification, so you compensate with larger targets. Like shoot at cookies and animal crackers rather than asprin tablets.
The only negative about a red-dot is...you have to turn it OFF when you are done shooting. Or expect to replace the battery often, so get at least one spare battery.
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Sorry, musta misses the idea that it would be 'for kids'. I have to agree with lower power recommendations...depending on how old a 'kid' is. The Daisy 953 is certainly a nice plinker. 10 yards it can shoot house-flies. It is pretty easy to cock which can be helpful. I like the auto-load, and recommend buying some extra clips. Don't know the Delta...did consider the IZH 61 when I was buying the 953, but didn't get it because of the looks...I was worried that it was gimmicky... but I have NO substantiation to that effect.
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Powerline 1000 is a powerhouse. It is a hard hitting, powerful but very accurate hunter. It most definately needs tuning to calm it down to be a pleasurable shooter. Synthetic stock needs filling with Good Stuff expanding foam or strips of memory foam stuffing. The newer versions are Chinese made and have a different trigger group than the Turkish Hatsan versions. I'm not as familiar with those trigger groups yet, haven't gotten my hands on one. But, the Powerline 1000 guns have very heavy triggers, no matter what version they are. They all benefit from spring modifications, polishing all contact surfaces and proper lube. With a little work, these guns make NICE shooters. I really enjoy mine and have taken MANY tree rats with mine up to 50 yards out. I like mine so well I just bought a Winchester version in wood. (http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif)
I can't vouch for the Remington, haven't had an opportunity to play with one yet.
Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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Don't fly with an air gun.
Totally not worth the effort/hassell of dealing with security and the airline.
This is a thread on TargetTalk
http://targettalk.org/viewtopic.php?t=24013
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I would buy when you get there, hassle free is more fun:) I notice you said kids, not sure on ages but my experience has been medium and high power airguns are no fun at all for kids so they lose interest quickly. I have had major success with Gamo delta with a grt111 trigger, daisy powerline 901 and of course the daisy/ advanti 953 type if targets are the go, is a good choice IMO:) Maybe you can order one and have it delivered to there address? Tony.
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Thanks alot you guys are great.My boys range Rj 20,Nickis17,and Jake is 8 and my daughter is 19 but little Jake is the one im thinking about ive already got the older two into guns and hunting thanks again eveyone.
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For age 8, I would definitely recommend a LOW power rifle.
In addition, the LoP is important. Nothing like a really badly fitting rifle to make shooting difficult. I've seen pix of kids with the comb of the stock under their arms because the LoP was WAY too long for them. If a rifle like that recoils, it could put the scope into the kids face. The Daisy 953, Gamo Delta, and IZH60/61 all have LoP about 12". The IZH has an adjustable stock so it can be fine tuned to any LoP from 12" to is max setting.
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For age 8, a Daisy Mod 25 - buy two and have fun. Tin can accuracy at 10-15 yards is all they need to have fun. and that is what it is all about. When they see the need for a more accurate/powerful airgun is when you need to buy one more specific to their needs
Larry