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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Gamo Gate => : namemer December 30, 2009, 11:22:50 AM
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Hi Y'all ;-) Im wondering about some of the other gamo-guns around. got an recommendation for the CFX (looks amazing!!) really like the loading type and the break barrel!
But what about Crosman?? i see they got an AMAZING solution, the Nitro Piston instead of the old Spring! what is your opinion on this system cus it looks atractive to me hehe!
Have any of you tryed the new system??
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The CFX is a good shooter out of the box and with a tune even better. I own the .22 version and she's been a dependable accurate shooter from day one. The downside is that Gamo has come out with a new CFX with a different trigger that doesn't except the sweet GRT-III trigger upgrade. :0 As far as the Nitro go's I couldn't give you the skinny on them but several family members here own them and hopefully will jump in with some info. Ed
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I agree with my buddy Ed...... the CFX is a nice rifle. I have one in .177 and also in .22 and they are scary accurate and great hunters. Ed brought up a good point though,, the new ones don't accept the GRT trigger which as far as I'm concerned is not an option but a necessity.
As for the Nitro..... I don't own one but I have had an opportunity to shoot them. The ones I shot were good shooting rifles. I'm sure the members who actually own one will chime in and give you all the info you need.....
JEff
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Does Gamo have a version with Nitro?
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You can drop a ram into many Gamos, including the CFX. Will it be the equal of a Nitro? Don't know. Personally, I think a well-tuned older Gamo (pre-modular trigger) is nothing to sneeze at. You can find good, used CFX's for not a whole lot.
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If I may chime in (kinda late) Id add my 2 cents to the CFX recommendation. Ive owned a few different Gamos (Big Cat, Whisper, CFX) and the CFX has out done them all in accuracy by a mile.
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I tried two Gamo rifles and was total disappointed with both and for the same reasons. My first was the Gamo Shadow 1,000 and the second was a Gamo Whisper. They were very lightweight due to cheap plastic stocks. The twang and vibration from the spring recoil was the worst of any spring rifle I have ever fired. I found the triggers to be quite heavy and tight on the stock rifles. Neither had anywhere near close to the advertised 1,000 fps. Their accuracy was very poor regardless of the pellet I used. If you have the money try one of the more reliable rifles like Beeman or RWS. If you are like me and can only afford bargin rifles the Bam B-21, B26, or B-40 I have owned for many years and all have held up well. The accuracy is decent and most of them will shoot at the high fps ranges. Maybe others have had better luck with upgrades to their Gamo rifles but there you go adding additional costs to get something to shoot nice. I only have up graded the B21 .177 with a Maccari spring and it shoots CP heavies at 900-950 fps. I upgraded my Walter Falcon Hunter with a gras ram spring and it is a real beast at .25 caliber. My only complaint with that gun is the cheap plastic stock. I am sorry but I always try to tell people my sad stories to avoid making the same mistakes I did twice of following Gamos good advertising hype.
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got some opinion about the nitro piston ?
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HERE YOU CAN FIND SOME INFO:
http://www.crosman.com/blogs/croswords/?p=229
/ GERALD
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Sorry I have never shot the Nitro piston NPSS. As I said before I have the Air Venturi gas ram upgrade on my Walther Falcon Hunter. I am really satisified with it. The cocking and firing is very smooth and solid. The accuracy is decent but not one hole. It is a .25 so there is a limited variety of pellets to try in it. I think a heavier wood stock would also help reduce some of the recoil. I shot a gas ram Beeman and thought the same thing as far as solid recoil versus twangy like vibrating recoil. It will be interesting to see how Nitro pistons hold up over thousands of shots compaired to spring piston rifles. It looks like gas ram is going to become more common. Unfortunately most of the video or information I have seen comes from the manufacterer or marketer of the Nitro Piston and I am a little suspisious of their bias. My only concern I really had initally with the NPSS was the synthetic stock. How durable is it? Is the rifle too light weight with for the amount of recoil? Good luck in your purchase. You should be happy with a gas ram power plant. I have a PCP rifle and I still shoot my spring and gas ram rifles 10 times as much. My 11 year old son shoots the PCP rifle more because he likes not having to cock the rifle.
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I have a Gamo Whisper that shoots one hole. It is by far my most accurate air rifle. It has a Leapers MilDot scope on it, and a GRT III trigger. It almost isn't fun to shoot it is so accurate. I've got nothing but good things to say about them, except for their stock triggers-ROT! :)
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Hey namemer, I dont know if this will help but for whats its worth I was able to shoot a Walther Talon with the Nitro piston thingy not too long ago. In my experience it was terrible. However that may say more about the Walther than Gamo. My experiences with Gamo have been great and honestly I thought nothing of their triggers until I was able to play with higher end rifles. There are so many awesome air rifles out there. Ive been so taken by my RWS's as of late I havent touched my CFX in a while. Seriously, its a world of difference. Anyway, good luck.
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If it was me i wouldnt get a gamo.If moneys a problem get a rws 350 mag of the classifieds ive seen them for as low as $250 and never higher than $300 way better gun. Triggers betwen gamo and rws apples mand oranges.I just saw a beeman r1 for $350 yesterday,now thats another sweet gun that you will never part with. Just my 2 cents.
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I'm with Ken on this one, I'd much rather have a Mike Melick tuned B26 (which I do), great trigger, smooth as silk, an accurate too, for not much money, I wouldnt have a new CFX if they won't accept the gtr111 trigger, I've shot my friends whisper and I'm not impressed at all, in all fairness his rifle hasn't been tuned, The only complaint that I have heard about the NPSS Crosmans is with the finish chipping off on the stocks and them being a little under powered, remember almost all manufacturers use very light pellets to get their fps ratings up and then they are still over rated sometimes, there are a couple exceptions to that, the Tech Force TF89 is a powerhouse for cheap and the Walther Falcon Hunters are supposed to be real bears too but they are made in Turkey and most tuners wont even attempt to tune one, so take that into consideration, of course if you have deep pockets PCP's are the way to go. Personally I love my springers and shooting them, just cock load and shoot, and my guns are tuned and shoot great, I had Mike Melick tune my B26 and Gene tune my TF89 both in .22, the B26 shoots around 670fps with 14.3 grain pellets and is a tack driver, the TF89 shoots right at 890fps with 14.3s and is just as accurate, there are so any good rifles out there right now it all depends on what you want, the RWS 34s have a big following as do the 350 magnums, and the Beeman R9s, if i had the coin right now I'd buy me a RWS-Hammereli 850 fully prepped and converted to hpa with a Steve Cochran stock from the 850 store, but alas I'm only about 1100 dollars short LOL. So I'm going the cheaper route and gonna do a Qb78 deluxe project that i can put a little each month into.
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look into the b-40 im done with gamos they went tv on me,socom,deerhunter or whatever :emoticon: im looking at the bam b 40 a tx-200 clone
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I have to chime in hear and defend my whisper! I had a charlie da tuna tune done with a GRTIII trigger and a leapers mildot scope and it performs with the best of them - a true tack hammer! but i will say that right out of the box they definately need that new trigger and preferably a Tune. Just my $.02
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cubbie is right... my whisper with the trigger and a gas ram is very hard to beat. it stacks hobbies under a dime at 20 yards and shoots them at 803 fps avg. for a .22 that is decent. and is really quiet to boot.
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I have a .17 cal Whisper with a GRT-III trigger, - great gun. With the GRT trigger, - a tack driver. It's the only Gamo rifle I've owned (so far) - but intend to pick up a Crosman Nitro also this spring.
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Check my sig.
The B19 is my best Gamo gun.
The CFX muzzle velocity is too inconsistent due to the design of the rotary breech. This is accentuated by the gas ram installation.
I have converted many CFXs and Gamo break-barrels to my own brand of gas ram in order to avoid the Gamo broken spring syndrome.
The break-barrels shown MV spread of ±4 to 5fps.
The CFXs shown MV spread of up to 40fps.
A CFX can average 790fps using a 4.50mm pellet, but loses 95fps when using a 4.53mm pellet. This is typical of every CFX converted and chronied.
The break-barrels deliver the same velocities regardless of pellet size provided the weights remain the same.
All the rifles converted and tested were thoroughly deburred, correctly lubed and fitted with new piston seals, the CFXs getting new barrel/rotary seal and large o-ring.
My own design and brand of seal is of a softer polyurethane than the original Gamo design and is now fitted to all my gas ram conversions and conventionally sprung CFXs.
My springs are manufactured to fit the top hats and rear spring guides correctly and are able to avoid the "Gamo bends".
Vincent
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Great post about the higher shot-to-shot fps deviation in the CFX when hopped up. I think you are spot on that the dual o-rings can't take the extra pressure. Leakage is probably a design limitation on all tap loaders, either rotary like the CFX or roller like old BSA's and Webley's. Still, they can be very accurate when kept within design working limits. I would trade a docile, accurate springer for one with lots of power but bad behavior. Of course, I like to punch paper.
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I have the Crosman Nitro NPSS in .22 cal. At 65 yards, a Crosman Premier HP pellet would penetrate 1/4" into a sheet of 3/4" thick plywood. Stuck a few in the Oak tree the board was resting against also.
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The Nitro ram is what does it.
The expression on every customer's face when firing one of my conversions tells the whole story.
Incredulous and blissful.
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North Pack said,
"I have a .17 cal Whisper with a GRT-III trigger, - great gun. With the GRT trigger, - a tack driver. It's the only Gamo rifle I've owned (so far) - but intend to pick up a Crosman Nitro also this spring. "
Same here, but make mine a .22 Whisper with the air venturi, and maybe, hopefully, in a few months, a .22 NSPP.
Paul.
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I picked up a Whisper when they first came out. Sent it to the Tuna, Turbo Tune and GRT, and it is the most fun shooting gun, period!!! Since then I bought 2 other models!!! Awesome!!
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I have both a .22 Whisper w/Venturi and a Crossman Nitro. Hard to say which I like better. Both are very accurate. Whisper is lighter. Nitro is solid and maybe a bit quieter. Can't go wrong with either.
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I agree!!! You do have a GRT on the Whisper, right????????????
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Just got done shooting my GAMO Whisper Silent Cat today with the GRT-III trigger freshly installed; and first thoughts? Pretty accurate with the cheap-o 4x32 scope (will get replaced soon) and the trigger just needs some to get used to; however that being said, the trigger does bring on a nice addition to a fairly decent shooter such as this GAMO. Gives it personality if you will. Accuracy at oh about 30 yards brings me about a quarter group at best. Especially without a proper bench rest. All in all, I look forward to doing much more testing as soon as I get a scope rail from GAMO, a UTG Compensator Mount, 1piece Weaver scope mount and a 3-9x50 Mildot AO scope. But for now, it will remain a plinker and a pest control shooter with not much focus on target shooting parse. On another note in regards to the GRT...the trigger itself is great, so great that I cannot seem to adjust to it. Having used the stock GAMO trigger for so long, I can't adapt! Haha :)
As far as the best GAMO rifle? I would say all of their break-barrels are the same in terms of powerplants, construction and functionality; of course except the fact that most of the break-barrels introduce "new" and or "different" features such as a wood stock, synthetic stock, open sights, scope rail, scope and mounts and other minutely small items. That being said, most of the break-barrels will provide almost the same results. However I'm conservative to say the "same". All will shoot at or below 1000FPS and adhere to great accuracy in which abides by the actual shooters current ability and choice of pellets. The CFX follows the same route, conversely it utilizes the accurate feature of an undercocking powerplant with a roller breech. I still need to try a wide variety of other GAMO rifles so I can conclude this..
-Jarred
-Jarred
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there are
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The ones that have been worked over by CharliedaTuna, Gene Curtis, and of course - by me!
I do the South African connection. If you are desperate for a really good Gas Ram Gamo comversion, I am your salvation. PM me for the best solution available, I kid you not!
Regards
MZE
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Check this out, I did not read all the posts above so this may be in there? http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=24315&mid=192583#M192583 I am not convinced the new Gamo's are better, if it were me I would investigate further and maybe try to get a new older model still on the shelf.
It would be a great shame I think, if the marketing people are cheapening up the AG to gain bigger piece of the mass market, I hope it works out for them. IMO a Gamo without a GRT-111 trigger would be of little interest :(
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Dont know if you found a new gun yet but I have a Gamo Big Cat spring gun and just got a Hunter sport Nitro Piston. Both are fantastic guns. With the big cat me and my dad can hit nickles out to 90 ft and colored last 1/4 inch of 6X1/4 popsicle sticks and can hit them from the comfort of a lawn chair at the same distance. Pretty good for $130 stock gun. My Gamo hunter sport with nitro is very impressive. I put a leapers scope on it and just installed the GRT 3 trigger last night. I have only shot 35 ft for BZO and functional check but got very tight groups. Could be covered with a pellet and can post pic when I figure out how. The total for the Hunter set up was just under $360. SO depending on the money you want to spend there are my suggestions. Hope it helps.
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Hi Dj and welcome to The GTA:) , does this mean the new Gamo Big Cat spring gun and Hunter sport Nitro Piston did not change to the new Gamo trigger setup and will still take a GRT111 ? This is really good news if so and yes both are great guns BTW:)
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I'll hope in once more. The older Shadow 1000 is, IMHO, really NOT that bad a gun. Give it a lube tune. Charlie's trigger and you have a pretty decent rifle capable of hunting or informal target shooting. If the synthetic stock bothers you (and I happen to prefer it on that one), you can always remove the buttpad and fill it with whatever you like - rags, spray foam, high density (couch cushion) foam, you name it. The 220/440/890/Hunter are all the same gun, just different wood stocks and trim. For the money, a tuned older Gamo is hard to beat.
As to the new Gamo's, well, the jury is out until the trigger change is settled. Charlie looked at a new one and opined that there was nothing worth doing to it - in other words, you're stuck with the factory unit. And they changed some internals, too, so a gas ram drop-in might not work, either. If I were in the market for a Gamo break barrel, I would be looking used and older style. There have to be about a million of them out there in one form or another.
The Nitro piston or NPSS is a good idea, but it is not Crosman's. Give credit to Theoben for that one. What I would like to see is a ram for the Nitro that is adjustable as to fill level. Then you could tune the gun up or down for hunting/indoor shooting by adjusting the pressure. I think Theobens might have this feature. Somebody's ram did. I like the Nitro but, apparently, it will need a $45 trigger from Airguns of Arizona to make it better. Some do it yourself mods out there but what can beat a drop in? Methinks Charlie is secretly in the laboratory as I type, so, if you have a Nitro, hold off on the AoA unit. Support your local sheriff. And the Nitro is not a light weight like the Gamo with synthetic stock. I picked up a .22 combo and it was pretty solid. Don't know how that stock style would feel after carrying it for three or four hours. Conventional stocks are pretty easy to cradle or throw over your shoulder.
As to the CFX, if I were doing nothing but buying a gun and maybe lube tuning it, that would be it, plus Charlie's trigger. Hey, I did that. Bought Gene's .22 Royal which is stock except for the light tune/trigger and it is really nice to shoot. Adequate power and accuracy.
Bottom line is, get a gun you will enjoy. Doesn't matter if it is Gamo, Turkish, Mexican, German, UK or Chinese. What I've come to find out is that air guns are a very personal choice - more so than firearms.
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Thank you and its a pretty cool forum sofar. Cant wait to get into some of the matches here.
Yes the Triggers on mine are both metal. Was worried when I heard they are putting plastic in some of their new guns. Really wanted the GRT3 trigger. And guess I lucked out cause mine are both metal and can be changed. Got the Hunter converted and man what a difference that trigger made. Wont do the Big cat because my 14 yr old daughter is primary shooter on it and its a very sensative trigger. Love the gas piston and trigger combo. Very smooth and accurate. Highly suggest both.
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I got to say... just got a 220 and put a trigger on it. i have not had this much fun with a rifle in ages. it is simple, classic, clean and accurate. this is a true gem...
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A 220 what? Make, model? Description?
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hunter 220... .177. like a pre shadow... but witha wood stock. simple. like a Black harley sportster....