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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Airgun Gate => : gregebby March 03, 2010, 08:31:21 AM
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Should I be able to see the pellet flying to the target ( Fr Disco .22 cal ) through my scope set at 9 x? The target is set at about 30 Yds and I see the lead through my scope traveling to the target at about the last 5 Yds, almost every time. I don't have a chrony so I have no idea what my FPS is.
Greg
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Does that lead make it all the way to the target???
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North Pack, Yes it does! Just didn't think I'd be able to see it. The question I have is. Should I be able to see it if it's traveling @ the 800 FPS (using RWS SuperDomes 14.5) that the disco is suppose to shoot at? Or, Am I SUPERMAN Ha Ha!
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You might want to get it checked. I can see the pellet when shooting my sons Gamo Recon (550fps) but I cannot see it when shooting my whisper or my older sons big cat (1000fps).
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Greg,,,, even at 800 FPS,,, with a decent quality scope & under the right light conditions it is not unusual at all to be able to see the pellet on the way to the target at 30 YRDS. Seen it just a "few" times myself!!:p8) Tim.
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Were your rifle shooting at 800fps (everyone needs a chrony or at least access to one from time to time) at 30 yards your 14.5g pellet would be going around 630fps, seems normal to me. I have shot FT in .22 and I can see them from about 30 to 55 yards most every shot.
800fps no way you could see it.
John
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Timmyj1959@yahoo.com - 3/3/2010 5:45 PM Greg,,,, even at 800 FPS,,, with a decent quality scope & under the right light conditions it is not unusual at all to be able to see the pellet on the way to the target at 30 YRDS. Seen it just a "few" times myself!!:p8) Tim.
Let me add,,,, I meant 800 FPS Muzzle Velocity. And,,, YES still,,,, with a "Big Boy" scope under the right lighting conditions you WILL be able to see the pellet in flight before it strikes at 30 or more yards. I have a chrony & have shot a few rounds. :p 8) Timbo.
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I can see Jumbo heavies at the top of thier arc, but they are going just under 600 fps. Can't see the faster ones.
However, I often see the shot swam when looking over their shoulder while coaching my daughters at Trap shooting. Those pellets are smaller and going 1000+ fps, so why not a larger pellet that's going in-line with your eye sight.
Paul.
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Boy you guys have some good eyes..:) I am lucky just to see the bulls eye, let alone a flying pellet....:)
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Thanks for the Great feed back! I shouold have mentioned that i have installed a 6.5" TKO brake. Could that slow the FPS?
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i CAN SEE THE PELLETS THROUGH THE GLASS WHEN THERE ARE LESS THAN 600 FPS, CHECK YOU RIFLE
/GERALD
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Your starting to sound like me Gene, bigger scopes and bigger bulls as the years go by.
What will we do when a bull won't fit on a 8x11 paper anymore? Move up to shotguns? Then when we really get old, we can mod them, (saw the barrel down to ten inches).
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It all depends on the light. The absolute FPS doesn't have much to do with it, unless you are watching at right angles to the path of flight. It takes the human eye 0.2 seconds to form a visual image -- to "see" something. At 800 FPS, the bullet will travel 160 ft in 0.2 sec, so you would only be able to "see" the flight of the pellet at ranges over 50 yards, particularly if there is good light.
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Just today indoors at 16 yards I could see some of my pellets just be for they hit paper and I know they were traveling over 1000 fps . That was with 1.5 magnification I see it happen all the time out side when the sun is behind me . When things are right you can see bullets traveling over 2000 fps before they hit paper . Marvin
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At a distance i can see pellets fly through the air in my disco. Always have been able to at around 30 yards or so, especially when using heavy pellets. With the 392 and jsb heavies i can see the pellet even sooner. I've watched the pellet wack a squirrel before. I don't think there is anything wrong with your gun.
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My disco shoots a .22cal 14.3 pellet @ 830fps and I have good eyes and can see the pellet in flight with no problem and when shooting towards a dark area or when shooting at night with a light I can see the pellet leave the muzzle and follow it all the way to it's target! I like to shoot at night using a maglight to highlight the target to check new pellets to make sure they fly true I can see if they wobble or tumble for that split second that it's in the air.Don't belive me just try it out,for best results have the light as close to the barrel as possable!
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Sure you can! I've seen it alot once passed around 25 to 30 yards when the pellet is flying slower. Once last summer I was at a friends place shooting for some distance shots with the .22 B-28. It was in the middle of summer (HOT!!!!!) and had an afternoon shower. After the rain passed, steam and humidity prevailed as is usually does in SC. When I started shooting again, it was like you could see the pellet slice through the air to the target and you could also see a trail of the wind turbulance for a brief moment . It was way way cool to look at, and I guess the light conditions were just right. tjk
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Shooting in the rain will sometimes show a "vapor trail" of broken rain drops turned into a fine mist by the pellets passing.
If you don't mind getting your gun wet, Trap shooting in the rain is good way to practice. It's easy for someone standing next to you to see where your missing, by how much, and roughly how big the shot pattern is at the distance, because the shot swarm leaves a momentary, but very noticable vapor trail as all the pellets break up the rain drops in their path.
Paul.
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Only saw the pellet(s) in flight when I shoot my .22 Air Arms S410SL on low power (560fps), and the .177 Gamo Big Cat with a broken spring (About 510fps). Distances were in the 30 to 40 yards range and in right light conditions. Saw the pellets arc towards the target the last 8 to 10 yards.
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Hmm, never thought of that! Pullin' a contrail with a pellet! That'd be some great high speed camera footage :)
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Well Greg, like the above posters said, seeing the bullet in flight really depends on the light more than any other factor. I have seen .22 rimfire bullets streaking toward the target when the sunlight caught 'em just right. Now they were copper coated and shiney which I'm sure made it easier to see but they were zipping along @ 1200fps or so. I used to shoot at a target board that was 500 ft down range and have witnessed many air rifle pellets arcing to the target even at that distance. Of course a good scope helps make that possible. Is your gun sick? You're gonna' have to chrony it to know for sure.When you do get one eventually you'll wonder how you ever got along without it.
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The relative motion of a bullet heading straight toward your eye or straight away from your eye is, absent gravity, zero. The bullet would appear to get smaller or larger over time, depending on whether it is going away from you, or coming toward you, respectively. But, it would not otherwise appear to move in any direction. Add the effects of gravity or wind, or precession of the bullet and some motion would be perceived -- ie, the arc of the dropping bullet. But human visual perception is complex and the brain "fills in" a lot of information that, physiologically, the eye is not capable of detecting. This is particularly true for the visual detection of motion. What you "see" and what you think you see are sometimes quite different.
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I shoot air rifle 50 yard benchrest monthly...in certain lighting conditions,you can see 'vapor' trail...looks like a pellet...and you always see it near the apogee in the trajectory just before it reaches target..
850 HPA .177...960 FPS/20 FPE...
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Not only do I see my pellets but sometimes I hear them for that second or so before they hit the target. Just sounds like air from a tire or a swisssshhh sound, then thunk!
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Boy Mike you have really good eyes and ears...:) I do good to hear them hit the tagets..:) Let alone try and see them...:)