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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Airgun Gate => : Gene_SC March 12, 2010, 11:00:50 AM
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I bought another one in camo .177. This one is special. Sense R&L did not have a Crosman NPSS Digital Camo.177 in stock. He switched out a Remington NPSS Camo stock for me. Great guy that Randy.
Well I am very pleased with the NPSS gas rams, so much so that I now have two .177. One in black C/B and the second one a real nice camo that Crosman puts on the Remingtons.
Reason I chose the NPSS over the Trail are purely design issues. The NPSS is truly a great build from Crosman. I will be selling my new Trail NP .22. Since Crosman is not planning on producing any of the Trail NP's in .177 any time soon I just do not need a .22. I bought it to check out the internals and build quality compared to the NPSSand really was not that impressed as I was with the NPSS. So I will be putting the Trail up for sale soon.
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Gene,
Did you shoot the NP Hardwood enough to determine if the scope was ok?
Greg
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Don't even sell that here. And don't even ask something like $150, free shipping, etc. I can't take any more of these deals. I'm gonna have to sell the ones that are on the way to fund more. Seems like I fell off the wagon at a hundred miles an hour. Besides, got too may .22's and that CFX is keeping me satisfied.
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Congrat's bro and a digi camo...I could have just did that for you lol but without that soft texture they have. :o :D The .22 will be up for sale hmmm.Ed
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Gene the Remington is not the same as the "old" NPSS?
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Well RedFeather,If'n you do need some of that spendthrift money back I'd be willin' to help you out by takin' that .177 B-40 you picked up from Rich last night of your hands. I been lookin for one of those for a project I got in mind anyways.
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Sure.....but not for what I paid for it. :D I will keep you in mind if I do decide to part with it. To be frank, it isn't really a candidate for rebuilding. Better to find one that's stock.
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Yes it should be. They are made at same factory in US. Only difference now is that Crosman changed the color and or materials use on the stock. I will let you know exactly the difference next week. Pictures and tear down.
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Greg
No I did not. I shot it enough to know that I could not get groups that I liked. Scope seems ok but looks cheaper made than the one that was on the NPSS. These air gun companies use whatever scopes they can get a deal on just to market their products. I personally will take off the nice Centerpoint that came with myh NPSS and put a nice Hawk on it. The glass is good on the Centerpoint but just weights to dang much...:)
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LOL Red, I was going to send you a PM with a special price... hehe Cause I have dealt with you in the past and you are such a great buyer of air guns...:)
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I don't want to rebuild it. I want to put in a Vortek kit in a B-40 and refinish the stock to my personal standards,
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Hi Gene - I'm pretty new to the forum(and to airgunning) .I picked up an NPSS on a recommendation from Pyramyd. I'm looking forward to your teardown description -with lots of photos , I hope. ( didn't want to tear mine down until I had some kind of reference to fall back on.) Where would I get new seals for the NPSS? My POI seems to shift on a daily basis.I have a new scope on the way, but from what I'm reading here, that might not be my problem.
Mark
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Welcome aboard Mark. First off the NPSS comes with a two piece mount and a one piece mount. Very nice..:) But you really need a good one piece mount. One with at least 4 bolts that hold it to the rails. And second I did a reviw on the Crosman NPSS tear down a couple weeks ago. "Under the Hood of an NPSS". As far as the seal goes I do not know if the seal is available through Crosman yet. I did ask JM and he said he did not have them. The seal is a larger seal than on the Trail NP piston. More like the size of an RWS 350 seal. If the seal on the new gun I get is cut up I will just machine the end of piston that retains the seal. The nipple on the piston that hold the seal on is very big and is not the standard. Will machine it down and use a Tesla seal on her. You can see what I am talking about if you look at the picture of the two pistons. One is standard small piston which will find in most all Gamo, Crosman and now the new Trail NP.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=25649&posts=13&highlight=Under (http://thread-view.asp?tid=25649&posts=13&highlight=Under) the hood&highlightmode=1#M204521
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Hey, you can always send an offer, baby.
Mean Machine, I'm not one to advocate tossing out a good tune to install a kit, etc. And that walnut stock looks too pretty to personalize. Maybe it will be a stinker and then I'll let you have your way with her for a good price.
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One never knows. I didn't pull the trigger last night because I have my eye on something else, which is taking precedence right now. Too many wants, not enough safe space and no time.
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Hah! I have one coming and will probably buy another tomorrow. Man, it's been IN-SANE. Feel like Crazy Eddie! Must be the spring thaw, all these deals abounding. Someone on Brad's just sold a Diana 75 HV, no sights but in great working condition, for $325 plus shipping. That's almost a fixer-upper price. Like I say, not enough money, not enough brains. :D
If you hanker after a B40, you might see if Howie still has his available. I think it was about $270, shipped, but with a nice maple (?) Tyrolean stock. Didn't sell here, so he must have pulled it. Howie is good about his guns, too.
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Thanks,
I've got a B-40 in .22 but I thought I might get a matched set. Howies wouldn't fit that profile. After boo-coo amounts of time I finally got my RWS-75 fixer upper fixed up. I have attached a picture for you. Looking to do some mini-sniping as weather and mosquitos permit. It's finally been above 30 all week and I am thankful for that. I'm even going to try and get the bike out tomorrow, unless it rains--50% chance.
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Great reconditioning Craig. That is a great shooter for 10 meter. I was able to find a nice Chines clone of the FWB 300 but have not found the time to work on her yet. Timmy did the refinish on the stock for me.
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Not 10 meters Gene but 35 yards firing at 9mm cases.(Mini-Sniping)
By the way, you work on one of my guns and I'll refinish one of your stocks: No slight to Tim intended.
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Gee, Gene, you looking for a 75? Got a nice one but no sights and original seals. Could work a deal, baby. HyScore 820SM (75) with great walnut stock. Probably going to give it the axe soon.........See, two can play this game. :)
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Thanks Craig. That is food for thought...:)
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Send it ot me Red and i will axe it for you...:)
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I read some where, I would have to find it again.
A Crosman rep claiming that the Rem version had a little better fit and finish, and that the trigger was a better quality stamping.
Rick
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Well that is what I have heard also. The stocks are much nicer. But the trigger can be replaced with the CBR Trijgger Mod by CDThttp://charliedatuna.com/NPSS.htm (http://charliedatuna.com/NPSS.htm). The trigger after the mod is just about as perfect as it gets..:)
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I'll agree with you there Gene. Not that the original trigger was "bad" (after adjusting), I picked up a Tuna trigger more out of curiosity than anything else. Wow - what a difference
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Firewood ain't cheap, Gene. Make you some expensive toothpicks. :D
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I'm skimming the post trying to pick out the info. Are you saying that the Crosman and Remington compression tube is larger in diameter than the Benjamin trail? I have been holding out for the laminated trail in .22 but....
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Yes I am. The Remington and Crosman NPSS piston tubes are larger and of course the seal is larger..:) Roughly the same size as an RWS 350 seal. The piston on the left is the NPSS piston. The piston on the right siide is from a Gamo, and the Trail NP uses the same 1" Apex/Tesla seal
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Thank you much Gene. I didn't think they whould have changed it that much but you never know. I guess i'll have to order one of the Crosman or Remington versions instead and forget the nice laminated stock.
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Jaons, I can't tell you how disapointed I was when I found out that Crosman was not going to make any of the new Trail NP's in .177..:( I wanted that black lam stock real bad.. I was looking at the two guns I have here, one an NPSS and the other a Trail NP. Stocks are not interchangable..:( Maybe someday Crosman may offer the black lam on the Remington line of NPSS...:)
But like is said it is my opinion that the NPSS is a much better quality build and materialsthan the Trai NP. Power pland wise..
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Isn't that weird?? Its just like RWS not building the 34 pro compact in .22. Well sir I will take your word on the build quality cause you see a lot of different ones. Time to save the pennies. I would have been fine hand I not just laid out the cheddar for a new long range .308. Oh well I hope they release the hold on overtime soon. Thanks for the info Gene.