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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Airgun Gate => : tjk March 18, 2010, 11:31:43 PM
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OK, don't answer that,....at least not yet. Here's my story.While doteing overmy next new rifle on the PyramydAir web site, I made a somewhat strange observation on the Beemans andWeihrauchs they offer. So,....stick with me on this and see if you know what the heck is going on with these numbers.
Under theWeihrauch section they offer the "Weihrauch HW-80" in .177 cal rated at 968 fps.
Under the Beeman section they offer the standard R1 with iron sights in .177 cal rated at 1000 fps,.....with me sofar??????
Then the Beeman R1 without sights are given with .177 at 1000 fps, .20 at 860 fps, .22 at 765 fps and a lefty .22 the same fps, but $100 more,.....which I think is total BS and prejudiced towardsthe 'south paw' persuation!!!! My little rant,..but anyways,....
The Beeman R1 carbine is offered in .20 caland rated at 860 fps. So these numbers are for the most part pretty consistant.
But Wait!! Allow me to toss the proverbial wrench into the cogs,....Under the Beeman section, the rifles listed as the "Beeman HW-80" are offered in .20 cal rated at 735 fps, while the .22is rated at 804 fps. Am I the only person to notice this "rise and fall" of fps's. Kind of an odd indiscrepancywouldn't you agree?
So back to my original question. Am I stupid or what?!?!?!?!?Can anyone explain this strange phenomenom to me or anyone else that may have caught this?!? LOL's
Thomas
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Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. This happens quite a bit. Someone entering the info juxtaposes it, miss-types, info is bad, etc, etc. I saw on a Straight Shooters review where the heaviest pellet tested in a gun was listed as more than 100 fps faster than any of the lightest ones. No way, Jose. Someone messed up. Besides, the numbers are mostly bogus to begin with.
Regarding prices on left-handed stocks, look at it this way. At least you are getting a gun with a cheek piece on the proper side, not some abomination that's "ambidextrous" and looks like it's wearing saddle bags. I would rather pay a bit more to have it done right.
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RedFeather is right they got people who don't know how to read the info correctly! I have an R1 DG in .22cal ave's 760fps w/14.3cphp's my HW80 .20cal ave's 800fps w/11.42 FTT I'm gonna get a an HW80.22cal the 1st of Ap I'll let you know what it shoots if you like? I like you am a southpaw and I like the R series gun due to the ambi stocks but the standard stocks don't bother me, its just a shame we sp's get the broken end of the stick when it comes to gun's! the wazoo effect kicks in when you want to buy a gun suited to us! These are out of the box fps ratings on these gun's of mine!
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Well Thomas, I will tell you up front that lefties are abnomalities... A defect in the DNA. Parents took to many "Carter's Little Liver Pills". Use Exlax to often. So there you have it Thomas. Lefties are freaks of nature... LOL And the gun makes should charge more for a left handed stocks. Which is totally wrong...:)
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Well I've always been told us lefties were the only ones in our right mind lol!
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YEAH,....so there!!!! :p ,tjk
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Well us righties use both our left and right minds...:) See I told you that you lefties are defective...:)
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OK, enough of the left and right battle. I just think it was interesting that it hasn't been corrected by PA if in fact it is a typo. Not very condusive for sales. And I agree with RF and Mark about the velocity claims the gun makers stamp on them. I'm in the process of collecting up the funds for the purchase of an HW-80 in .20 caliber,.....but as RF said, it's better to save up and get the right equiptment from the get go than to start out with a bass ackward set-up. So now I'm contemplating getting the Beeman R1 with a lefty stock. I'd still like to have iron sights rather than the carbine version and the newer Beemans that only come with a MB. What to do,....decisions, decisions, decisions. I will admit,....after eye-balling the Beeman R-11MKII,.....that could be another route,....if they came in .20. Oh Brother!! :emoticon: ,tjk
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Now wait a minute I didn't say I couldn't use both hand's or brain's is a matter of fact I ambidextrous I just like my right side better![ of my brain lol !]
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Hey Tom I'll tell ya you'll really like the HW80 in .20cal it's a hammer!
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Beeman has long been known for its "box tunes". Speed sells. Guns sold by Beeman have always been "a bit more powerful" than factory guns once the Beeman name goes on the box. Dr Beeman knew how to make a sales pitch, and as a result Beeman guns have always been perceived as "better" then non-Beeman guns. Faster, more powerful, therefore more expensive.Of course, as a rule Beeman guns were no different than guns without the Beeman name.
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I too did notice the "stragne" velocity numbers listed by the HW 80, and that has been going for some time. I actually noticed it the day the HW80 was back in stock, I thought about calling PA but I did not. I also noticed similar typo on one of the R-9 models but was corrected.
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No, it is absolutely NOT an error. This is the way the Beeman company has always marketed their guns. I bought a new Webley Hurricane a while back, it came in a Beeman box. Advertised velocity clearly marked on the box was 500 fps, real world is 425. Not a typo error, not an error by someone who misread something, rather its how Beeman has done business for years. Those numbers are what Beeman claims, not factory numbers.
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So is the HW 80 the only air rifle where the 0.22 caliber travels faster than the 0.2 caliber? I cannot find another example.
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Sam do you mean the .20cal? if so the .22cal in this power plant will not shoot faster than the .20cal in stock form.
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Super!!! I guess the general consensious is that Beeman is just as full of horse manure as all the rest of the airgun makers-marketers when it comes to velocity claims. So am I an idiot?!?,.... Obviously the manufacturers think so!! Truth in business,....that's oximoron isn't it? To add insult to injury,... We pay our hard earned money for it. That's life in the ag world. tjk
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My experience is with the gun's I've bought HW or Beeman is my R1 DG in .22cal is rated at 765fps and I'm getting 760fps out of the box w/ 14.3 cphp's and my HW80 .20cal is rated at 735fps and I'm getting 800fps w/11.42 FTT's but the other rating I was on the HW80 .20cal was 860fps but doesn't say what weight of pellet, but do the math and it probly a 9gr pellet! But I have found them to be more accurate on thier velocity claims than most.
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Beeman reports velocities close to what you get when shooting them. The numbers on PA site where it shows the 0.22 caliber is faster than the 0.20, for the HW 80, are wrong. Here is another example: Go to PA site and look at the R-9 they are selling, you will see two different velocities reported for the R-9 in 0.22 caliber in two different pags; this is also wrong.
Here is the site address for HW:
http://www.weihrauch-sport.de/englisch/e_produkte/e_weitschussluftgewehre/e_weitschussluftgewehre.htm
to convert the velocity from m/sec to ft/ sec multiply by 3.281. The HW 80 velocity in 0.2 caliber is not listed.
As a rule of thumb the higher the caliber, within the same model, the lower the velocity. If you see it different, it is most probably a typo (at least so far has been the case).
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Ok gta fam, I didn't mean to cause a storm on the subject, and I agree 100 percent with every reply to this thread. I love my RX-2, and I know that Weihrauch puts out a quality product. I reckon I'm just looking to find out what I can expect in the .20 cal R1-80 shooter,... Be it a Beeman or an HW labeled rifle. Thanks for the heads up guys!! tjk
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Well like I said mine out of the box with 11.42grFTT's ave's 800fps and it's not broken in yet!
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I know someone already mentioned in this thread an error is Straight Shooters' numbers. Mistakes happen, but generally their numbers are what they actually chronied with one of their guns shooting the listed pellets. Don't know if they have any numbers on this rifle in .20 though.