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PCP - HPA - C02 Gate => PCP DarkSiders Forum => : Ray March 26, 2010, 04:18:12 AM
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I been checking out all the pcp post.And is a pcp worth all the pumping and expense? From what I get you have to do a whole lot of pumping for what 30 - 40 good shots or you buy expensive tanks and connections.At least with a break barrel if you do 100 pumps you get 100 full powered shots. Oh, I have to mention I been checking out the condors. Whats wrong with me? I must be insane! My good judgement says NO to all the pumping or expensive tanks and connections.I have to get my head checked somethings wrong with me.
Scared of the Dark
Ray
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I had all the same thoughts and questions. But, you only buy the tank and stuff once, and then you have it for all future PCP acquisitions. Like so many other things, I don't remember the pain of the expenditure any more. ButI have a Marauder and a Dragon Slayer, and I am eagerly awaiting the Marauder pistol! Plus Cometa is going to introduce a PCP this year that looked pretty darned cool.
It was worth it to me.
The only thing I don't understand is the people who get out of springers, as aresult of PCP. I guess if you are only a one or two gun kind of guy, fine. For me they are totally different systems, and nothing replaces the simple joy of a springer. I am glad I have both and want more.
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Maybe it is just me...But I find pumping to be very easy, and often have to check and make sure I don't over pump.(maybe because my fill pressure is only 2000psi)
I think I got a good pump too, I just pump slow, and don't let it over heat. Put it like this: I like the darkside so much that I have already ordered a Marauder!
Also when I am ready to to go scuba It will be soooooo EASY, I have a lot of scuba shops around me living near the coast. and a nice selection of tanks on craigslist if i choose. But I also talked to JOE about one of his SCBA tank setups, sooo yeah IT IS WORTH EVERY SINGLE PUMP!
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Thanks for your input.I really enjoy my springer's alot of fun. But I think I got the pcp bug and I have to get it out of my system even if I just buy one. What do you think of the Condor? Seems to have alot of upgrades and add ons in the future.It's quite versatile.
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What brand pump do you have?
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Ray - 3/26/2010 9:43 AM
What brand pump do you have?
I have the Benjamin Pump.....I think Hill or Airforce makes this pump.
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I only know the ones I have, or have shot, and the Condor isn't one of them. Noise would be a concern for me, and nothing can beat the Marauder in this area.
The company has a good reputation. I don't know of any downsides, other than the sound. It is priced more reasonably than many.
Personally, I am a Marauder kind of guy, and look forward to the .25 for coyotes.
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Well Ray I held out as long as I could but no, the pumping is not worth it..:) I would rather cock my springers than pump to shoot...:) So finally made the decision that instead of buying another new gun the next time, that I would buy a tank and accessories..:) So there you have it. Been there and done that. And that was no fun..:)
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Gene, I get your drift.lol. I need a tank and not a pump. I thought all that pumping would take the enjoyment out of it. Think I better get a Marauder and a tank setup. I'm getting to old for all that pumping.You got a ballpark figure on what a tank setup would be for a Marauder for air.
Thanks Ray
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I think I will go for the Maraude and a tank setup. Thanks Ray
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Gene_SC - 3/26/2010 12:03 PM
Well Ray I held out as long as I could but no, the pumping is not worth it..:) I would rather cock my springers than pump to shoot...:) So finally made the decision that instead of buying another new gun the next time, that I would buy a tank and accessories..:) So there you have it. Been there and done that. And that was no fun..:)
Yeah...after hand pumping my new M-rod 3 x's to 2600 psi., it takes a lot longer than the disco....i see a tank in my near future
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When I got my marauder I called around to the local scuba shops to see if they were supportive of our plight. I found one that had a great policy, if you buy a scuba tank from them they give you free refills for a year. In a year, if someone hasn't released a decent pump for a decent price, I'll gladly pony up the $7 per refill until they do.
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How much were the tanks?
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I paid like $149.00 per tank. I bought two 88 cu/ft - 3000 psi tanks and a 40 cu/ft 3000 psi pony tank which I gave to Timmy. The pony tank was about the same price..:).
http://www.leisurepro.com/Prod/CategoryID_962/Context_954/Sort_Stock/DescSort_0/HMRTA8YL.html?Hit=1 (http://www.leisurepro.com/Prod/CategoryID_962/Context_954/Sort_Stock/DescSort_0/HMRTA8YL.html?Hit=1)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120548637786 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120548637786)
http://www.diversdirect.com/scuba-diving/catalina-80-cu-ft-aluminum-tank/ (http://www.diversdirect.com/scuba-diving/catalina-80-cu-ft-aluminum-tank/)
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As far as pumping goes I pumped my first PCP to 1000 PSi
Thought stuff this ...went to the dive shop hired a tank..
Never picked up the pump again..
As far as pumps go....Right as we type..I'm building a pump
that can pump 207cc of air @ 3000psi in ONE "1" stroke
will fill most guns in 2 strokes & top up in 1 stroke..
Power sorce is a 20ton hyd jack with a ram fixed to the top
that has a 53mm bore x 170mm stroke ..filled to 120 psi from a compresser
giveing a air volume 4.2 letres then compressed 206 times to give 207cc @3000psi.
All the numbers say it will work....Time will tell the truth...
Its not that hard to make..just need a bit of engineering ability
and some gear..
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Yes. Although the initial investment in the tank and accessories is costly, remember that you will have them for a very long time. I went with a CF tank with a 15 year life. That comes to somewhare around $40+ per year of ownership. Not too costly for all the effort it will save. I'm willing to pay for air to save my middle aged back from pumping to 2900 psi for my S410 and 3000 psi for my Talon SS. I also am able to shoot as much as I want whenever I want without having to strain myself with pumping, wait for the pump to cool and repeat ad nauseum. I also don't have to wait for my heart rate to slow after pumping before I resume shooting. And nowhere is it written that you must abandon your springers because you went Darkside!!
Just my opinion, but a tank is the only way to go if you're going to shoot a lot.
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I got to say the same thing Gene said, but with no dive shops or fire house close by, I added a compressor to my set-up.
Pumping is not my cup of tea, in fact I hardly ever shot my Talon SS the first two years (less than 500 shots) I had it because of pumping.(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cry.gif)
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Thanks for the links Gene, big help.
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Gene how many fills do ya get from a tank?
Thanks Ray
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Ray, I have used my two tanks mostly for the Crosman PCP's. 2000-2500 psi fills. And a couple fills for my 3000 psi Air Arms. I would guess over 20 fills at least so far and I am still filling my Crosman PCP's to 2000-2500 psi. I think both tanks are now down to 2700 psi. Almost time to get them refilled...:) I keep air in my larger volume PCP's all the time when not using them but this last summer I was filling my Maurader, and Disco allot with the two tanks. It makes a big differnce on the length of fill hose you use also. I use the 12"micro borehose. Alot less bleedoff waste with shorter and smaller diameter hose.
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Oh that isnt bad at all.I see thats the way to go for me. Short hose too.
Thanks Gene
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This may sound a little strange, but I use the Marauder or Discovery to regain my confidence that it's the rifle and not the shooter(or vice versa) to blame for bad groups. What I mean is that I love to shoot the springers...but when my groups degrade, i pick up the Marauder or Discovery. Usually, I find that my shooting is pretty good, but it's the idiosyncrasies of springer or gasser (if you will) that are causing the groups to widen. Sometimes I can't hold a group with the M or D...meaning it's time to stop shooting for the day.
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Hey Cap I have been in the same boat as you...:) When I used to shoot allot I would have those times when I jsut could not shoot springers worth a hoot so I would pick up one of my PCP's and regain my confidence real fast...:) As I get older I have found that when I have gass real bad my shooting is way off...:) Must be the wind that throws the shots off..:)
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Gene, too funny.Get second job as a comic.
Ray
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Ha Haa...Hee Hee...I have my share of gas too...from these medications I have to take now days. Maybe that's what it is. Wonder why the gas only affects the springers though...kinda odd. No wind in the basement to blame it on...but the dogs do pass gas allot (I blame it on them all the time). All I really know is the Marauder or Discovery is immune to gas or what ever it is that causes wild groups. Sure am glad I have them...helps me keep my sanity and keeps my motivation level high. Once I get confident I can aim worth a hoot, I'll go back to the springers, change my holding technique, etc. and try to get them back under control.
It's not the dumb rifle but the dumb shooter behind the rifle that's the problem I think.
SF
Tom