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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Gamo Gate => : jay morgan April 29, 2010, 04:27:00 PM
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HEY every one THANK's in advance!!shooting my whisper today & crunch,there went the spring(sprung, twisted inside each piece)really bummed me out LOL ,so I guess my ? is would you all get new spring & tune kit or yell at gamo for piece of junk spring's & scope's(broke it first 100 shot's) and see what they will do,I really was going too tune it any how soon, but it still erck's me too no end to pay 220 with tax for a gun that last 1500 shot's and break's or is this normal maintance in a air gun of today's build( I'm newish at airgun's). if it's kit you all call for I was thinking JM's complete kit on his web or is there anything better out there with you smart airgunning guy's(I know you all will know,none better too ask than you guy's & gal's) heck maybe just order what you guy's call & still give gamo hell for fun that's just me!!!! THANK's AGAIN ( GOT THE GRT111 ON ORDER)
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If it was me....I would send it back to Gamo (Call them first) since the air rifle should still be under guarantee. Maybe you'll have to pay for the shipping.... I'll continue shipping it back to them if anything else goes wrong, until the warranty runs out.....then I'll buy aftermarket parts and start repairing them.
Remember, if you've installed something else (GRT III, seals etc.) or have signs that the air rifle have been opened up.....Gamo might not honor their warranty.
Others might have a different opinion on this.
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Were you shooting the PBA ammo that came with the gun? If you were, you probably damaged the spring after running all 50 PBA pellets through it before you switched over to lead. Shooting the PBA ammo is like dry-firing your gun - they are too light and do not form a tight seal with the barrel's rifling. If I were you, I'd upgrade it to a gas ram (preferably a Theoben one from http://www.airgunwerks.com).
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Just put the stock trigger back on the rifle before you send it back, if that's the way you want to go.
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Archer no he hasnt other then a few when he forst got it its had no super lights through it and only a few heavies.... its been fed a nice steady diet of CPHP's and an assortment of a few other good pellets looking for what it likes best..... rws/beeman etc
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Ah. Going too heavy is also bad for the spring. What caliber Whisper?
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archer it had only 5 of the silly pba & maybe 10 0r 20 10.5 cphp in it before I knew they were bad for it ,i'm a powder burner for sure so I was after penatration & knock down on treerat's, I like clean kill's & I figured go heavy what did I know(better now,well not by much),but I really don't think it was the cause,not sure but I hope not? it's a .177 cal.& most of the shot's where with 7.5 to 7.9 range(really crosman's 8.0 grs.on my scale's)& 15 r.w.s. 8.3 ,so I stayed in the middle mostly.
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If it were me Jay i would not waste my time with gamo and i would do the tune myself. i know it seems kind of scary at first but trust me if you can turn a wrench or hit a nail with a hammer then you will most likely have no problem figuring out the internals of the whisper just be careful with a spring commpressor. just think of it this way you order JM kit 30 dollars and have a real nice shooter or pay shipping at 20 dollars and most likely all you have is a untuned gamo ready to blow again or risk shipping damage and bent barrel.
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Shady I think thats along the lines of what he is deciding.... I have the spring compressor he can use..
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Something to keep in mind. Gamo frequently exchanges gun and there could be a good chance that you might get the later version of the Whisper. If so, you would not get the quality of the older version. Just something to think about. I would suggest that you tune it and keep what you have.
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HEY BOY THANK'S FOR ANSWERING MY MAIL, KNEW YOU WHERE GOOD FOR SOMETHING!?! really shady that is kind of the way I see it too. 25 or so shipping & a wait, same junk back? or do a good tune & polish & have a nice gun that should run well for a while & shoot better from what I hear from you all. the tune is no prob. for me my son has the compressor& I've played with gun's for almost 50 year's now(dang I'm getting decrepped)( can barely spell even)but I have smithed weapon's a loong time & hey I even miss my finger's sometime's with a hammer LOL. it just twist my nad's to pay & get junk for your money, I wish gamo would just send spring & scope & let it be,BUT don't think that will happen! and I wish I knew about this site before I got in airgun's, would have used more cash & got better weapon to play with, oh well next buy for sure? hmmm pistol or rifle let me think !?! still not sure best way to go but any body else have a thougth on it ? 25 or 30 shipping & wait or 50 & good tune.
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MR. TUNA THANK's, really a good thought, DUH the chance of getting a plastic trigger back would really bite! thank you again,I've sent in to day's mail the money for your trigger & I would of been real dissapointed then!!! READ your site & I liked your even cash way, so hard this day to find a honest man who stand's by his word & I believe you are it,look forward to your trigger sir, one that will be decent to pull will make my shooting so much more enjoyable!!!! well I guess now only what too order for spring's any idea's on this, JM's package or any other's out there any better (I really haven't seen any, can't afford a ram right now) tax man raped me this year!!!! thank's again all.
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that was one of my worries too that you would send back the older nicer metal trigger and get the newer even crappier plastic :) think I said something like thatwhen we was discussing it :)
hell poppa maybe we will pull that gun apart and measure the seal and then just pick up the spring and seal from JM and then go halves on apurchase of the lubes (think he does a great deal on all 3 lubes for about21 bucks...) you will come out ahead and I will come out with some of the good stuff too :)
Better yet since your asking opinions.... you should just give it to me....
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WELL THAT IS HOW YOU GOT A BIG PART OF YOUR COLLECTION,BUT NAAY YOU WILL JUST HAVE TOO WAIT TILL I DIE THEN YOU CAN HAVE ALL OF THEM, NO WAIT A SEC DIDN'T I WILL THEM TO THE PINK PISTOL'S, CAN'T REMEMBER I AM GETTING OLD YOU KNOW, YOU LITTLE %$*! HEAD,JUST KNOW YOU WILL NEED A BIGGER HOUSE THEN MAYBE!!!!scope's, grease,ammo, I thought I already showed you how to pee on a tree & not to cook bacon in the nude!!!!!!
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Hi Jay:
Here is my suggestion if all are still available.
Maccari: http://www.airguns.citymax.com/page/page/251327.htm
Maccari Parts for Gamo
Spring: E-3650 Prod. Code: E3650 (this is a drop in spring)
Apex Seal: Prod. Code: APV 65798
Heavy Tar: Prod. Code: LHT432
Moly Paste: Prod. Code: MM657
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Bob
does the spring need to be spaced up any or is it pure drop in??
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Jay,
Spring in my Whisper rolled craps around 1500 rounds also. Follow Bobs advice on the parts from JM and you will be surprisingly pleased with a great shooter. He is the Grand Ole Man of the tuners her on the forum and one of the greatest gentlemem I have had the pleasure of doing business with. He cares about the people here and the sport. His word is gold in my opinion and I have purchased 5 of his GRT-III's for myself and a few for others and installed them. You will change that pellet gun into an Air Rifle with the GRT-III and a tune. The fun is yet to come and it's interesting to do as well. Best of luck with the repairs and let us know how she turns out.
Tim
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THANK's TIM I'm going to pull it apart in a day ortwo & mic seal to see if it's a apex for me or the tesla,I wish j.m had tesla seal in both size(sound's to be aslightly better seal)& yes I believe BOB is a fine man & true to his word, I sent the man cash with out even giveing it a second thought,I hope he does'nt even claim it on tax's, but he most likely will , I wish I would of stuck a few extra buck's in to get him a couple of beer's just for his good answer to my plight on gun & for this fine forum they run!!! hey tim one more guestion did you use any shim's on your spring from j.m, not really worried about power or anything just wondering,I've heard of washer's ?
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Jay,
I machined a custom spring guide out of Delrin and used a SS washer as a bearing surface for the rear of the spring and machined a brass top hat with a spacer for the piston end of the spring. Made my measurements and then got advice from Gene on materials to consider for the parts. These are one of the advantages of being a machinist and working in a large production facility with access to the necessary equipment. It is also necessary to have the gun and components in hand to make these measurments, this is one of the things Bob, Gene, and Ed have done over the years as pro tuners. They can make great shooters out of these air rifles with the work they do. Good luck with the tune and repair job. Let us know how she comes out in the end. Anything else dope in a line and I'll try to help if I can.