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PCP - HPA - C02 Gate => QB-7X Gate -W/Co2 & HPA => : SFCDenney June 12, 2007, 04:54:55 AM
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I currently have a .177 pistols and rifles but am looking at the .22 for stability, accuracy and ft lbs of energy at the target(critter).
Can anyone give me some conversation on starlings and the rabbits. I am hoping to do most of my hunting shots at 20 to 25 yards maximum. But the paper targets will be at 30 plus.
Thanks
Matt :emoticon:
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Answered above...but will repeat:
The .22 bore makes better use of the CO2 gas than the .177, the .22 will be a bit slower but earn more energy per shots the pellets are nearly twice as heavy. End result is that the .22 hunts much better. The best test of a hunting gun's accuracy would be at hunting ranges...screw 10meters, shoot the SOB at 30yards.
The .177's bolt probe o-ring tends to wear and leak sooner than the .22's. the little .177 o-ring is best described as "dinky", and being so small and frail, it gets damaged more easily....which kind of sucks as you have to take the rifle about 1/2 apart to get to it.
IF there is any accuracy difference, I can't tell. Given the time to search out the best pellets for eaither, they both seem to shoot just as well.
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MAy as well add a "why" for the .22version.
To deliver 7 foot pounds of energy a typical .22 pellet needs to be moving at about 475fps. Now given a decent ballistic shape 9not the best...not the worst) need to start out at 650fps to have that much speed left at 50yards. A QB can easily be home tuned to deliver 640-650fps in .22.
To deliver 7 foot pounds of energy in .177, an 8.2gr. pellet needs to be moving at something close to 625fps. To get that speed at 50yards, you'd need to launch it at a bit over 850fps. That muzzle vel. is NOT real easy to get with a QB without extensive mods (and maybe not even then).
Which is why my prefercne for .22...of cousre, all the energy in the world won't make up for poor pellet placement, but the .22 just works out to be a better hunter in this rifle.
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Cal. and hunting, decision's decision's. I own and hunt with both .177 and.22 and also hunt with my tuned QB-78D.177. Each of my babies are ask to drop game atleast out to 40+ yrd's. I keep chrony updates on them which tell's me a lot about thier state of being. I've hunted everything from possum,raccoon,prariedog etc. A good quality shooter is a must and after that I focus on the type of pellet for the job, if my airgun likes it and SHOT PLACEMENT. Just my pellet's worth hehe. :) Ed
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...and I completely agree with:
The .22 bore makes better use of the CO2 gas than the .177
can't argue with the truth.
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Thanks for the information posted by all. I think that I have made a decision on the .22 cal. Very interesting information and will be very glad to see the starlings and targets recieve the pellets accurately at 50 yards. Man, they won't know where to nest next year!! Also from the reports and information on Mike Melick and also from the questions he has answered I am going to order from him. Of course as soon as I get the funds out of the account so it is unreported to the Mrs. From her accounts there are too many weapons in the collection now.
Thanks again
SFC Denney
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Matthew, You have made a good decision on the caliber..:) But the funds thing, you might want to discuss a diversion plan with Dano.. He has buying guns down pat and his wife even opens the box when it comes. She seems to be so pleased when Dan buys a new air gun..:) I am not kidding, if you do a search here, you will find that Dano has a few great scenarios for buying air guns and making his wife feel good at the same time..:)
Gene
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Your going ot love one of mikes guns. I have one already in .177 and its a damn good shooter. (if I could do it over id get a .22) but the gun is 1/4-1/2 at 50 yards 40 is what I have it sighted in for and you can drop them all in and have the pellet holes touching. I even gave it a shot at 70 yards... and well Impressive. 1/2 inch was the best i could get.
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.....hit the ATM, take out $300, buy at least 16 cases of ramen noodles @ $2.99 a case....really fills the bags up. Then shop with the rest of the money till you have enough left over for one of Mike's guns. You bring home a big load of groceries, thanks to the 16 cases of ramen noodles....cupboards are full, and you have enough airgun money left over for a Flying Dragon gun. Get a Money Order from the customer service desk on your way out of the store.....this is key. If you come home with cash in your wallet it will be seized, they can smell airgun money.....but money orders somehow go undetected.
Easy peasy,
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Now , that's being creative ,I thought I had it bad . hehehe kirby
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that your brakes are squeeking alittle, I'll take it to get checked out. $75 per axle, if rotors don't have to be turned, of course all 4 will need to be turned. So that's $75x2, $25x4, wait a minute need a scope to, so both front calipers have to be rebuilt, $50 each, there's $350 and all you got to do is go pick it up. :emoticon:
Mike
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You won't be sorry...are good guns, and really won't NEED to get inside of one right off the bat.....can save that as a project later on (is a good tutorial on this web site). Just clean the barrel of the goop that is used to preserve (they come in on a slow container ship) the bore and go shooting.
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Thanks guys: these are some really great ideas. Now all I have to do is pick one and implement it. GAME ON!!!
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Ummmm.........."I wanna see the estimate and invoice from the repair shop."
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Deal is this: overtime $ is mine to do with as I please...here stipend $ (she's a teacher) from priad workshops, etc. is hers to do with as she pleases. The "normal" money is "ours", but can be used for "gotta haves" but can't be secret.
It's worked for 28years.
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Geez, foiled again!
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Wow Dano and Mike.. That would of worked but Stephanie must of seen those well laid plans before.. Foiled again.....hehehe
Gene
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Dog ate it on the way home dear hehe. Ed
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Dood.......
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Communication and compromise is good thing...........
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That didn't work with your third grade teacher and it ain't gonna work with me......LOL :p
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Ok, sorry..........I ate it on the way home LOL. Ed
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If Ed said he ate it, then Ed ate it. He's my brother and I've seen him eat squirrels, so you know he ain't zactly "stable".
Us guys and our toys, you can bet we think we are much smarter than we appear:) There are no "secrets" in my airgun collection, just a handful of jokes. Funny thing is I had about 13-15 of the little lead eating devils at the begining of the year, now at the moment I have 2, so the only questions I get are "where'd they all go?" :p :p :p
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Ya, aside from all the teasing and carrying on, us guys are like little boys when it comes to our toys..:) Many times my wife would let me buy just about anything within reason if we had the funds available.. Sharing and compromise is the only way to keep things within reality when it comes to marriage's..:) I love to tease Dano about his ways with the grocery money, etc, but it is all in fun and I guess that is why we all have such a great time on our forum..:)
Now, I want a new Talon SS or Condor..:) Give me some tips Dano on how I can cover the missing funds outa da bank.. hehehe
Gene
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2? Geeze Dano! I won't make anymore jokes about your wife deception schemes. You need to go work on that.
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................for the question of how to hidde Talon funds I have one answer......trade me the Sumatra. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
But really, on a more serious note....this is how it is done. "Honey, you know I retired because I worked very hard to give us a good life. I worked day in, day out, never thinking "just" of myself, but always thinking of "us" and our future....so honey, please, I am thinking I really need this new airgun, and it would make me so happy in my retirement to shoot such a gun, and marvle at it's beauty which is only surpassed by yours....Honey, we NEED this gun".
There you have it:)
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The best way to get new toys is to get your better half involved in the shooting. My wife shoots aswell and everytime I want something new I get 2 and say 1 is hers. Another method that worked on my first Crosman was "I bought it for your mother to use on club days". Mother in law has never shot it and I've had it since October last year. HEHE. My latest Crosmans were bought as a hunting gun, bulked," because the dive bottle is too heavy to carry out in the field and I get a heap of shots out of it with good power".
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Yes Dano has it figured out...Sucking up always works.
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I forgot to mention my stress attack I had that got me into shooting. Doctors orders. "Find an extra mural activity that relaxes you". I chose shooting.
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hehe, I have a TalonSS arriving tomorrow. I sold a bunch of nice stuff(look at my album http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/photos/photo-thumbnails.asp?albumid=13&Page=1&sortdir=desc) I still have my BSA Superstar with gas ram, and I still have my B50 PCP. Alot of what I sold I built, so it was a labour of love. I am a builder, not much of a collector, and a pretty decent shooter...I own what I can work on, with exception being the BSA Superstar (it's just sweet). It's all research for what will hopefully someday be "the BIG plan"....haha, whatever that is:)
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PeakChick - 6/13/2007 8:01 PM
Yes Dano has it figured out...Sucking up always works.
Dano <----(nods)
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That's so funny Dano.. :) I used that one with the Sumatra....... hehe Andre, I could not afford two of those.. lol
Gene
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nice try.....this is what I built for her:
(http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/photos/get-photo.asp?photoid=252)
that was the last time she shot it. Notice the clothing, wonder what season that is....it's 90+F here now:)
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LOL Stephanie... on the other side of the coin..:) I bet Dano has not looked in her closet lately to see that she has purchase 2 dozen new purses and about a dozen or so new shoes last month alone.. hehe
Gene
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That sure is pretty blue paint job on the stock. Hmmmm, maybe I should paint the stock on my 2260 "Redfire" to match my Ranger pick up............... Nah, I like wood au naturale.
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Ummm Gene, shoes and purses are necesities! Geeze..............
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Hehe,yup the little lady know's about all my other girl's. Keep the bill's payed, keep her flower's and garden fed and alway's spend quality time together. :) We both got our toy's. :D Ed
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that WAS a 2260. It went a la "ssspeedway blue". I turned the rest of what was a 2260 into this:
(http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/photos/get-photo.asp?photoid=295)
Ok, I admit it, the only thing left of that 2260 is the barrel and the air tube:)
BTW, ever want to make your 2260 go silly, just let me know. I have alot of fun with those:)
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Pretty cool. I like my 2260...Got a Crossman steel receiver on it. Gonna put a Mountain Air bolt in it and probably leave it alone.
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And it's probably alone in a closet :0 all alone, so sad. Ed
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I shot about 25 pellets through her tonight............. :p
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those guns are the ultimate "tinkerers" toy. I have built a couple now. The one in the picture has a bolt by Roy @ Mountain Air, Crosman Steel breach (long), light valve return spring, standard hammer spring, hammer spring adjuster by Art @ ArtShack.com, the valve was opened up considerably for volume, port angled, polished, ice maker tubing transfer port. The stock was a deal I cut at Steve Corcoran's place during Christmas break from a nice walnut blank I got from Boyds. I used his machines and his patterns, but I cut and finished it myself.....best Christmas bonerus ever!!!! I did a simple trigger parts polish and added a trigger shoe a la Crosman. Funny, I never even chronied it,....because......it was so freakin' cold here in Texas my CO2 guns shot miserable....hence, why I sold it....Amen! Didn't mention the carbon fiber and aluminum muzzle brake on that devil by LarryR.........phew, why did I sell that one again....oh yea, the cold CO2:)
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The best thing getting 2 is she can help pay. HEHE