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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Airgun Gate => : July 18, 2006, 02:42:33 PM
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I'm sure this has been asked ALOT, and i'm gonna get different opinions, but I have to ask...
I have tried the a Daisy BB gun from a freind next door to me and its a piece of garbage...
I do taxidermy & 22's tear the heck out of the hide.
I need something with enough power to take a squirrel out at 100 Ft Max ??
Want to use a scope as well.
I HATE having to pump the heck out of it, so I want to go CO2..
Ok, here we go, Any recommendations??
I see them at Walmart, & other places, but am scared to buy a piece of garbage.
I know NOTHING at all about airguns !
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It really depends on how much you want to spend. If there is not a price limit, a nice Beeman R9 with a spring gun rated scope could be had for around $400 and you could go up from there. If $400 seems like a lot, it is, but some guns run into the thousands. That is the price you pay for not getting junk. Personally I would not choose C02 due to the variation when the weather is cold. Too much info about airguns to post it all here but you can call me at (860) 460-7876 and ask any questions you want to.
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You mentioned that 22s tear up the hide too much. Are you talking 22 rimfire? A 22 pellet from an airgun might be OK. A .177 pellet would be even smaller but not that much. A 22 caliber or 20 caliber airgun would be better for hunting, even light hunting like squirrels, although you could get by with a .177 if you make good head shots.
Airgunner is right on. The best gun, if you could only have one, would probably be the R9. It comes in .177 and .20 calibers. The R9 is a great shooter right out of the box and very accurate for a little over $400 with a scope. The R9 would also have a good resale value compared to most other guns. Over the long haul the Beeman R9 would probably be the most trouble free airgun.
I think a Mike Melick tuned QB78 in .177 or .22 would be OK in a CO2 gun for about $100--you would have to buy a scope. Mike can tune a QB78 so that it shoots pretty hard although you would use up your CO2 a little faster--not really an issue unless you shoot a bunch. The QB78 is also very accurate. If you live in a colder climate, it could be that for a good part of the year the CO2 type guns would have diminished power. I don't have that problem here in Central Texas.
Some of the so called "junk" guns would be OK if they were tuned and tweaked. However, the total cost of a lower quality gun with the tune could approach the cost of the R9. Perhaps some of the other forum members have some ideas along these lines.
Bevo66
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Hello...
I would suggest one of the RWS spring guns. You have several to choose from. They are great shooters, out of the box, and they hold there resale value forever. All you have to do is clean the rifle, adjust the trigger to personal taste, and go shooting. I suggest you send off for a new catalog and do some research before you make - up your mind. I have several of them and would be glad to answer any questions I can. Look at all the major brands before you make a decision. There are a lot of good ones to choose from, so take your time. It would be good if you could shoot some of the better ones to see how you like them. Best of luck...
Rabbit :) :)
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I like the gamo CFX in .177 Very accurate, fixed barrel spring powered. medium priced with a scope, it's a light weight rifle and will take small game easy at 40 yards.
It has a synthetic stock so is not prone to getting scratched and beat up with use. it's one of the first rifles I pick up when I go varmint hunting in the back yard.
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LOL Shawn
All this information and more is gonna drive ya up a tree... :) :) You have asked a question will return a thousand suggestions and opinions.
What I have always heard is this..
What do you want to do with the air gun?
Do you want to plink?
Do you want to do small game hunting?
Do you want to compete?
Airgunner is correct. The Co 2 will be worthless in the winter months.
A decent Springer will give you constant velocity all year round.
A PCP will also give you constant velocities all year round. "High Pressure Air" (This statement is based on what I have read)
PCP's are more expensive normally to set up than Springers or Co 2 air guns.
You can buy a good Co 2 from Mike and it will work fantastic in the warm weather.
You can also buy a good Springer and it will work very well all year round.
There are literally hundreds of air guns out there. And one heck of allot of good ones. And allot of junk to:)
Basically you want one that shoots above 700 FPS for a 100 foot shot. That's for killing squirrels and small rodents. My Opinion:)
I have only been in this sport for 6 to 7 months. My love for the sport has lead me to creating this forum, just for people like you Shawn, that have never really owned an air gun but has the interest and desire to enter the sport. We have a great bunch of experienced air gunners here in this forum and you will find that they know what they are talkin about. We have also put a library section here so new and fermented air gunners can read articles on tuning, design, schematics, articles etc.
Now back to the original question.... :) What do you want to do with your air gun??
Just read posts to get an idea of what air guns can do and ask lots of questions :)
Gene
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Airgunner
$400 for an airgun ??
Wow, I can buy a good handgun fo that, lol
So, in other words, Airguns are just like Firearms, you get what you pay for... Nice
The main reason I want an Airgun, is noise!
Ok, on the issue of CO2 ..
I am really concerned about pellet or shot placement being the same everytime.
Not the same hole, but fairly close at 100Ft Max
I had my mind set on CO2, but the Gene had to call me this morning and he talked me out of it.
Thanks Gene, lol
Have to admit, i'm learning alot here.
Thanks for replying Airgunner
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4 co 2 rifles and pistolas and and 7 springers. I love them all for what they do. Each one will do what I want it to do. You will find an air gun hobbiests generaly has more than one air gun...:) ..
Gene
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Rabbit,
You hit the nail on the head.
All I want to do, is shoot a squirrel thats it, without leaving a large entry or exit hole along with noise.
I don't want to destroy the pelt, so I can mount the little bugger.
(To all you southerners, when I say MOUNT, I mean taxidermy, get your mind out of the gutter, not the other thing, lol)
Just messing with you people..
Just moved to Tennesee, so I'm officially a Damn Yank now,lol
K, back to the subject..
I like the idea, of out of the box accuracy, like a Marlin model 60 .22 rimfire.
If this is possible, it would be great.
Now for the really hard question, where to purchase.
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bevo66,
Yea, I was talking about a .22 Rimfire from a Marlin Model 60
I tried .22 shorts, but in a Semi-Auto, you have to feed one at a time, and you don't get the loud crack when firing it.
Accuracy is lousy though.
It kidnda sucks , because on all the Guns & Ammo tv series, they just advertise Gamo.
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In your particular case, it is better to stick to .177 caliber gun. It may give you more velocity (1000fps – 1250fps) and enough muzzle energy to humanly kill at 40 – 50 yard distance without damaging the fur. But don’t expect too much out of 60 yards. Sure, if you're lucky, you could take a squirrel at 80 yards with a right head shoot, but it’ll not serve your purpose. If you are really concerned about constant shot placement at a big distance, CO2 isn’t a good choice. I’ll suggest you to look into fixed barrel springers (Air Arms or RWS 48, 52, 54), break barrel RWS 350 Magnum may be considered too. Look here, it will give you a picture of what to expect from different type of airguns: http://www.straightshooters.com/ssmenu.html Good luck and keep us updated about your choice.
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Hello...
Don't forget that you have to add in the price of a good scope and mounts for your rifle unless you buy a " combo - package ." Overall weight is something you need to consider also. The " hard - shooting " springers have alot of recoil , and they are hard on scopes and mounts. They also take some time to learn how to shoot accurately. Practice with several different pellets. People on the Forum can help you with pellet selection. Best of luck...
Rabbit :)
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~$200 + scope:
Cheap option #1: on sale RWS 46 E (http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000622166196)
Cheap option#2: Gamo CFX (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0024318226344a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=gamo+cfx&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=gamo+cfx&noImage=0)
~$430:
Best option: R9 goldfinger (http://www.straightshooters.com/beeman/bdr9goldfinger.html)
Obviously people will disagree with my choices. These are just what I would pick in your situation.
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R9 is a better choice. I don't think he'll be happy with option#1. Here the test results of RWS 46: http://www.straightshooters.com/rws/rd46.html , http://www.straightshooters.com/ourtake/otr46.html
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Well yes the R9 would be preferable. It's also more expensive.
You could also just use a CFX, but the RWS 46 is a much nicer piece of equipment, as is an R9.
I mentioned the RWS 46 E primarily because I happened to see one them on sale at midsouth for under $200. If all you want to do is take out some squirrels and do a little plinking that price is hard to beat.
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COPFIREARMS:
Yeah, and R-9 isn't cheap, but it isn't cheaply made, either. This is a rare case of getting more than you pay for. What you get is an accurate, well-made rifle of heirloom quality that, if properly cared for, can be passed down to your prodgeny. With an R-9, there is no "coulda woulda shoulda."
I live in California, where air rifles may be used by licensed hunters to take all resident small game animals, including upland game birds like quail, chukar, and turkey, during applicable open seasons.
I've been shooting adult air guns since '81 and I've hunted with them for 25 years. When I say "hunted," I am talking about wild animals in wilderness conditions, and not suburban squirrels in my backyard.
With air rifles, placement and penetration mean a whole lot more than power does. The R-9 is one of the most accurate break-barrel spring-piston air rifles made, and it is easy to shoot accurately, due to the excellent trigger. I have little trouble keeping five shots within a 1" circle at 50 yards with my R-9's. That is why I use them.
I have two. One in .177 which is tuned to 15 ft/lb, which I use for "long range" shooting of rabbits , quail, and chukar when I know that most shots will be presented at 40 to 50 yards. I use the .20 for general hunting use. I prefer the .20 caliber, but I am in to making meat and not making mounts. The .20 does definitely punch a bigger diameter hole than .177 does. In that regard, it's kind of exponential, in that the pellet isn't that much bigger around than the .177 is, but the hole the .20 makes is noticeably larger. My .20 is running at the advertised 14 ft/lb.
Both of these rifles will thwack a target 50 yards out with about 9 ft/lbs of energy. The .177 will do that with Crosman Copperheads and Crosman Premier 7.9's. The .20 does it with Beeman FTS.
That energy level on impact is enough to cleanly kill all of the game I shoot, INCLUDING turkey.
When air rifles became legal for taking turkey here in California, I hunted them with my .20 R-1. Although the .20 R-1 puts out nearly 18 ft/lb of power at the muzzle, the nature of air rifle exterior ballistics is such that this big 4 ft/lb power advantage at the muzzle doesn't always automatically extend to the 50 yard line. At fifty yards, the difference in energy delivered by the .20 R-1 and .20 R-9 isn't enough for a turkey to get excited about. The difference in carry weight and handling dynamics, however, is enough for me to get exited about.
When my .20 R-1 was stolen out of the back of my Jeep, I replaced it with an R-9 in .20 and I am delighted that I did. I had no problem taking a turkey with it during the spring season, shooting a 14 pound bird with it at about 45 yards on the last day of the season up on Palomar Mountain.
With my .177 R-9, I've taken jackrabbits up to 9 pounds at ranges out to 50 yards and slightly beyond. With brain-pan shots, the little .177 thumps them dead like a lightening blow from Thor. I can't see that squirrels would be much of a problem. In fact, I started hunting squirrels with a .177 Webley Omega running at 11.8 ft/lbs with great success.
Can you see that I am not convinced that a powerhouse RWS 350 is the way forward for hunting use?
I am a huge fan of the R-9, and think that the price is fair for what you get.
You get a rifle that will provide a lifetime of use. You get a rifle that enjoys aftermarket support and one in which the importer will still sell parts to the public, so you can do service and maintenence yourself, if you choose to.
Gamo won't sell you key parts you might need for maintenence. It seems that RWS/Umarex is now following their lead.
I've shot RWS guns, and their nice, but they aren't R-Series Beemans.
For more unabashed R-9 enthusiasm, check out my website.
-JP
http://www.uplandhunter.net
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that sounds like a pretty good endorsement.
I'm currently shooting an RWS 52 in .22 flavor and love it. I wanted a little more oomph for the resident ground hogs here, wanted a fixed barrel and liked the side-cocking design and the overall look of the 52.
It's really a fun plinking gun too which surprised me a little.
My next rifle will almost surely be an R9, just can't justify the expense right now =D
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Those 52's are indeed pretty sweet shooters. I prefer the barrel cockers for rapid reloading, which wouldn't matter except that I hunt quail, and in some areas they'll be 40 birds or more in a covey, and the shooting can be a little fast and furious. My fat fingers need that open breech area.
I'm not much of a gun collector, and if I lived in an area where quail weren't on the bag list, and had a 52, my air rifle buying might probably be pretty much over.
You definitely can't fault them for accuracy!
-JP
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Wow, JP
You wrote an long message :)
Thank You , you have given me alot to think about now...
Like regular Firearms, you get what you pay for, so If I have to spent $200+, no big deal..
I'll do comparisons
I'll check out your website later on tonight
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COPFIREARMS - 7/19/2006 2:17 PM
Wow, JP
You wrote an long message :)
Yeah, I make part of my living as a writer (shooting and fly fishing, mainly) so I tend to get a bit carried away. :)
Blessings and Tight Groups,
-JP
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just as an aside, you do write very well.
I enjoyed looking through your site.
I consider myself a bit of an English-language snob and found myself smiling at your syntax.
Well done.
And I am really happy with the 52. Worst thing about it is probably the weight, but I see your point on pursuing other rifles.
I still have a lot to learn with this one and I'm new to shooting in general. Just learning to hold still for accuracy has been my biggest challenge.
Anyway, keep up the good writing.
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thank you for sharing it with us. Also the fantastic post you have given all of us was very objective with personal exprience.
I love your writing style also... :) Hope you continue adding to your site for it is great reading.
Sincerely
Gene
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OK... this might sound like heresy... but here goes.
Gamo Shadow 1000 at Walmart for $125, Daisy Powerline 3-9x32 scope for about $30, and Accushot 4 screw scope mounts from scragglepoint.com for $9.75 shipped.
I know there are nicer rifles out there with smoother triggers and better stocks - but when all is said and done, is anything else really going to be significantly more powerful or accurate?
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every one talks about the R9 , what about the B26. that you can get in 22 cal, and with a BSA or 40 or 44 AO airgun scope, it dead on maybe out to 50 yards, with the right shooter. out of the box, it shoots 700fps, its rated ar 820, but realisticly how many guns shoot what they are listed at.
http://bestairgun.stores.yahoo.net/bamxsairri1.html
$ 139.. shipped, get your scope mount from scragglepoint for 7 and maybe get a leapers scope there as well for around 60.
the B26 is a clone of the R9, not as pretty a stock, but for 200 less, you can afford a tune and still have just as good a gun as the R9 and in 22 cal.
The RWS may be accurate, but at 30-35 yards, ya gotta be a good shot, cause at 8 lbs without a scope, closer to 10 with , its one heavy gun.
the B26 is one of the better Chinese guns around , other than the QB78.
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Well I was shooting my Shadow Hunter today and at 50 yards I have a 4" paper Target tacked to a tree. I went out to change it a carried along some wild bird feed. Later on I picked off 7 english sparrows out of 10 I shot at. English sparrows are NOT a very big bird so you better have a good shooter to do this.
A .177 Shadow Hunter is a real nice shooter, and it's priced right.
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Gene:
First off, let me say how delighted I am to have been invited to participate on this board. As more folks discover it, I believe they'll find a comfortable home here. I look forward to learning and growing in this great hobby along with everyone else.
Thanks, too, for your kind words regarding uplandhunter.net. The concept is that I wanted an on-line air rifle hunting magazine that wouldn't cost anyone anything to enjoy. I hope to increase the content a bit as time and finances permit. I would be delighted to add a link from my site to yours, if that's okay with you. I don't expect recipriocation, given that my site is commercial in the sense that there is a "store" section which, after long delays due to civic bureaucracy and anti-shooting folks at city hall standing in the way of business licenses, may open soon. I already have a couple of "day jobs," so the intent of the "store" section is really like a "pledge drive" of sorts to generate enough money to keep the site self-supporting, allowing me to pay for the domain and web space, as well as pay other contributors for their work, so it is more like a magazine and less like "The World According to JP."
As to my post, I'm not sure that I would call it objective. I've got biases like everyone else, and my gun cabinet screams "gun snob" with the CZ 550's, CZ 452, Parker Hale side-by-side 20 gauge, and Remington 332 0/U that I shoot sporting clays with sharing space with my R-9's, as well as the Benji 397 I use for terminal ballistics testing, the wife's Shadow, her Remington 870, her 10/22, her custom .303 Enfield, a smattering of pistols, and my son's Daisy 880.
I tend to be biased toward blued steel, nice wood, and "old world" craftsmanship.
And I tend to think that the R-9 is best air rifle Beeman has ever marketed. In fact, I think it is one of the best air rifles ever made for what I use such a thing for.
So I am hardly objective.
I am, however, objective enough to say that I did own a Shadow, hunted it hard, and found much to like about it. My wife liked mine so much that she demanded one of her own.
In the end, I gave mine to my brother in law, as I just couldn't warm up to the aesthetics of it.
Aside from the trigger, which I hope Mr. Werner will still offer a fix for, the Shadow does seem to be a lot of gun for the money, and left little to complain about.
If I were really objective, I'd have mentioned that in my first response to this thread, I reckon.
Perhaps, in the spirit of objectivity, I'll start a new "Me and My Shadow" thread......
Thanks again for the kind words, and I am delighted that you've provided this forum for us. I look forward to learning a lot from it, and contributing when I can.
Blessings and Tight Groups,
-JP
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Aww, the heck with buying an airgun !!!
Peter, if your airgun is that good, I'll just steal yours, lol
Shawn
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JPShelton,
First of all, I would Like to say a big THANK YOU, for writing such a long post.
Very informative & descriptive.
Your posts help alot, and not that I'm trying to suck up to anyone, but it definetely helps the forums here.
Shawn
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There isn't a game animal that I hunt that would notice the difference between getting killed with my wife's Shadow or my .177 R-9.
-JP
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Ok, I bought my first airgun.
It's 11:39 PM so it's a little late to take pictures..
The wife will shoot me with a regular gun if i wake her up,lol
I'll post make,model & pictures in the morning..
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Shadow Hunter at 10 shots at 50 yards, Sparrow killer.
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Ok, here is what I got.
I know, I should have listened to all of you...
[img=http://copfirearms.com/FileHosting/photo/img/4466613c7e607cdfdbd0409591dd06ec/Daisy.jpg] (http://copfirearms.com)
I took the rear sites off this as soon as I got in the door & put a good trashco scope on it ( Tasco ) lol
I sighted it and and WOW, was it accurate as hell..
10 minutes later a Squirrel popped into the bird feeder,(30 Yards) and it dropped on the ground like I hit it with a brick....
So, I got my first squirrel with an airgun the first time I shot at one...
Not to be gross, but the shot placement was textbook example when checking the damage after cleaning it.
Had a small entry & exit hole.
Only pumped it 4 times..
PRICE-$275.50
I should have LISTENED & got the Shadow Hunter.
Here is why I am saying this....
=========== Specs on the Daisy Avanti Legend EX 853C .177 Match Air Rifle ==================
ACTION: Single-pump pneumatic, straight pull-bolt
CALIBER: .177 (4.5mm) pellet
SIGHTS: Hooded front with interchangeable aperture inserts;micrometer adjustable rear
STOCK/FOREARM: Full-length, sporter-style hardwood with adjustable length
The Lothar Walther rifled, high-grade steel barrel is crowned, 12 lands and grooves RH twist and is precision sized for optimum performance with match pellets.
One of the very best choices for the beginning competitive shooter because trigger length and length of pull can be adjusted as the shooter grows.
Receiver grooved to accept 3/8" dovetail mounts, scopes and sights. Maximum velocity is 560 fps, overall length is 38.5", weight 5.5lbs
-------->>>MUZZLE VELOCITY: 510 fps. (155mps)
=========== Specs on the SHADOW BLACK HUNTER by Gamo Air Rifle ==================
Single Shot
Break barrel - Single Cocking System
Automatic cocking safety system
Cocking effort - 38 lb
Barrel - precision rifled steel
Muzzle Break
Accuracy: 0.20" Groups at 30 yards(center to center)
Trigger: 2 stage - 1st stage adjustable
Trigger Pull: 3.74 lbs.
------------> Velocity 1000 ft/sec
PRICE- $179.95 +
If you notice, there is a BIG difference in velocity
Granted, I still got my squirrel for the distance I needed, but thinking I got the WRONG one...
Now I'm debating buying the Shadow Black Hunter as well...
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I also learned that buying pellets is just like buying bullets for regular firearms...
I bought a package of pellets and took a bunch of them & poured them into my hand..
I couldn't believe it... Some have pointed tips, others had flat tops...
Went to wal-mart, purchased two other brands & when I got home, I did the same thing..
Guess what ?? Same crap.. Some tips were pointed, others flat...
Went to Wal-mart AGAIN, and bought MATCH-GRADE and they were ALL the same !!!
I fired about 5-6 shots, rounding out the same hole on the target...
Made a HUGE difference in precision shooting....
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And which pellet?
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There;s nothing wrong with buying things other people might tell you not to buy.
That gun might be perfect for you and your needs.
The counter argument is that there might be other guns that are a little better for less money.
In which case you can always buy another, but this time you will understand WHY you want 1,000 fps in a .177 or whatever the feature may be.
A lot of people get very snobby about experience. As if they are the only ones allowed to have made mistakes and gained wisdom via trial and error over their lives.
Of course this is nonsense. I encourage you to enjoy your air rifle, use it and then decide if it does what you want it to do.
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Hello,
Best of luck with your new rifle. It is a good - looking rifle. I hope you enjoy it for a long time.
Rabbit :)
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If I read that right, you said you were pumping that 853 four times. The Daisy 853 is a Single pump pneumatic! A quote from the Daisy 853/853c owners manual: "IMPORTANT: Do not pump over one time.This gun is designed to produce maximum velocity using a single pump stroke.Additional pump strokes may result in serious damage to the gun."
What you have there is a very fine, moderate cost alternative to much more expensive 10 meter target rifles. The downside to that is low velocity. I'm not a hunter but I think most will tell you that, along with shot placement (which you certainly can do with the 853) you need to develop enough velocity with a reasonably heavy pellet to insure sufficient fpe (foot pounds of energy) to do the job. I'm not familiar with the Shadow Black Hunter but I assume that it's one of the Shadow 1000 series. You can either shoot that rifle stock, or tune & mod it to your hearts content. I had a Gamo S1000 & despite the negativity it's a pretty good rifle. Besides that, if you buy it from Wally's, you can take it back if your not happy.
Good luck,
Mike
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First, let me start by saying this....
I STRONGLY believe in shot placement & if hunting, a quick dispatch of what I am hunting...
I shot & dispatched 4 squirrels today.
The first squirrel I shot in the vitals was dispatched quickly, in about 10 seconds or less...
The other 3 really bothered me a lot..
They were all shot in vitals perfectly, but took too long in my book to be non-existant.
I would say 20-30 seconds or more.. I had to follow up with another shot to head.
I was not pleased with this at all.
I know I am new to airgunning & it is totaly different with a firearm.
With a Firearm, its almost an instant dispatchl, but as far as saving the hide, there is patchwork.
With an airgun, mine for instance, very little patchwork, but longer dispatch time.
Call me a patsy, wimp, whatever you want, but I like a quick, clean dispatch of the animal.
This is why I had made the statement of maybe buying the Shadow at 1000 FPS..
I'm sorry if I may have offended some people by talking about this subject.
That is why I was careful in the way I worded some things in this post...
NMMIKE,
Yes, I saw that too, but I shot 10-20 rounds using a single pump and rounds were evverywhere on paper.
I then called the gunshop I purchased this at & told them what was going on.
The guy I talked to told me to bring it back to the shop, so I did.
After waiting an hour, he gave it back to me and showed me some parts that were replaced & told me to Pump it 4 time no more.
I explained the same thing that you mentioned about pumping only once...
He told me that now the airgun is modded, I can pump it 4 times max...
I went right home & took 2 5-shot groups, and they were all within the diameter of a dime as about 75 Ft.
I love the airgun, but I am thinking maybe more velocity...
I forgot to include this in last post...
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Youkilis,
You are absolutely right. Some people are snobbish about experience..
In my opinion, I purchased a great airgun, BUT, not enough velocity.
Read my other posts, and you will see why I am saying this..
I will be the first to admit I made a mistake..
I think it might have been due to the fact, it took too long to dispatch the squirrels.
I just hope at least 1 person can learn from my goof up, and purchase one with velocity.
Now I know some of you are saying " What a moron, shooting a squirrel with a 500+ FPS airgun..
Here is what I was thinking when purchasing the airgun..
Ok, 500 FPS seems low, but at 50-60 Feet max, it should have worked, at least I thought that.
Don't get me worng, it works great, but in my opinon, it takes too long for the animal to die.
I'm sure I will get bashed for posting the results of my squirrel shooting, BUT, keep this in mind Please.
We all make mistakes, and I learned from mine, and those of you not that experienced in airgunning reading this, will learn from my boo boos & what others comment on here.
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I almost forgot...
Here are the before & after pictures of the Airgun...
Before the scope.....
[img=http://copfirearms.com/FileHosting/photo/img/33aeb7748d0e82c375d306266727d15a/Picture 002.jpg] (http://copfirearms.com)
After.....
[img=http://copfirearms.com/FileHosting/photo/img/49cc9dee529628017c02d01f3c5bb445/Picture 016.jpg] (http://copfirearms.com)
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Always good to have a little extra umfff in your booty...:)
Gene
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Don't know a thing about modding a 853 so I guess he knows what he's doing. 8) I've got an 853 and a 953 (same style of rifle, but a lot cheaper and with a Daisy barrel, composite stock, open sights, etc.) I'm in the process of putting different sights on the 953 but I have had the 853 long enough to put some rounds through it and I'm impressed. Resting the forearm on an old camera tripod the 853 will shoot 10 meter, 5 shot groups that all touch. You have yourself an accurate piece! I'm curious as to how easy it is to load with that scope mounted?
I'm sure if you go the 'more velocity' route with the Gamo S1000 family you'll be happy. Mine impressed me as 'a little bit rough but a good tool' and very quick handling (weight/size) for the amount of power.
Good Luck,
Mike
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Loading it with a scope isnt really hard at all.
Instead of the top,you just load it from the side..
With the stock open sites, my grouping was nasty, all over the place...
As soon as the scope went on & was sighted in, it was deadly accurate...
Overall, i'm impressed, never knew that airguns could be this accurate.