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: New here, have questions about RWS 34
: September 04, 2007, 01:39:24 PM

Hey guys, I've been trying to get some questions answered before I spend the money and this seems like the place for them to be answered.

I'm looking to get my first .22 pellet rifle for small game and target shooting, and I have been looking into the RWS 34

There are several questions i have though before I get one (which i probably will lol)
- How does the sound compare to a .177 shadow 1000?  (my neighbors already put up with that noise :) )
- Synthetic or wooden stock?

I realize that the gun doesnt come with a recoil place, but I have found a slip-on one that fits so that's good, but what advantages/disadvantages do synthetic/wooden stocks have?  The two springers i have owned (s1k, CFX) are both synthetic stock so I guess I would be kind of a newbie to the wooden stock world.  Any help would be much appreciated :)

: RE: New here, have questions about RWS 34
: PeakChick September 04, 2007, 01:48:08 PM

Welcome Kyle! I think the RWS 34 in .22 is a great choice, a lot of rifle for the money. I have a 34 Panther in .22 and a 34 (wood) in .177. They are both hard hitting, accurate rifles with great build quality for the money. Personally for a field gun, I would choose the Panther. I like the stock shape and design of the Panther and like the rubber butt pad that comes on the stock.

A consideration with the RWS break barrels is that they are droop barrel rifles by design and will need a dropp compensated scope mount. They are also very active, long springer actions and can be hard on scopes. A good, strong scope like a Leapers or a Banner series Bushnell or better is my choice for a scope. My Panther absolutely ate up the two peice C-mount and 4x RWS scope that came on it in the package that I bought. Fortunately, I bought the package at really good price from a local dealer, so I wasn't that unhappy about seeing the C-mount and scope go south. I use BKL one piece 260 drooper mounts on my big Dianas.

: Re: New here, have questions about RWS 34
: September 04, 2007, 01:53:24 PM

thanks for the advice, but I didn't see a butt pad on the panther, am i wrong?

Also, i see you have a cfx .177 in your "stable," how does the noise level of that compare to your panther?

Oh and could you give me a link to your scope mounts please?

: Re: New here, have questions about RWS 34
: PeakChick September 04, 2007, 01:56:45 PM

De Nada Klyle. Yes, the Panther has a rubber butt pad on the stock, as equipped.

Noise wise, I would say the CFX and 34 are similar. Perhaps the RWS is a bit louder.

: Re: New here, have questions about RWS 34
: PeakChick September 04, 2007, 01:59:16 PM

PS: here is the link to BKL's web site. I bought mine direct:

http://www.bkltech.com/

Straight Shooters and AoA also sell them on thier sites. BKL was prompt about shipping mine out, and they are all the same price on any site.

: Re: New here, have questions about RWS 34
: shadow September 04, 2007, 02:00:52 PM

Welcome Kyle and as Stephanie said the 34's are fine shooter's but require the droop mount and a good scope. I have the 34 in .177 that a purchased from a good friend (Gene of AirGunToy's). He tuned mine and it's a killer, Check the hunting Gate. Again welcome to GTA, FRIENDS, FAMILY and AIRGUNS. :) Here's a pic of my tuned baby before the scope was mounted. Ed

: The CFX is just about as loud as a Shadow...
: vinceb September 04, 2007, 02:01:31 PM

...since they share the same basic powerplant.

However, the CFX (in my experience) is somewhat easier to shoot well than a Shadow - and even easier still than the '34. Also, I believe you'd be likely to get more power out of the CFX.

Ya might wanna consider an RWS48 - more power than either, and a real sweet rifle to shoot. It's about 2 lbs or so heavier than a Shadow. They can be had as factory refurbs direct from Umarex USA for about $230.

: RE: The CFX is just about as loud as a Shadow...
: September 04, 2007, 02:10:45 PM

vinceb - 9/4/2007  10:01 AM

...since they share the same basic powerplant.

However, the CFX (in my experience) is somewhat easier to shoot well than a Shadow - and even easier still than the '34. Also, I believe you'd be likely to get more power out of the CFX.

Ya might wanna consider an RWS48 - more power than either, and a real sweet rifle to shoot. It's about 2 lbs or so heavier than a Shadow. They can be had as factory refurbs direct from Umarex USA for about $230.

Hm that sounds like it might be a good idea.  How does it compare to the 34?  i mean in terms of recoil, loudness, accuracy, etc etc.

also i know it sounds the same as a shadow but peakchick has a cfx so i figured may as well ask about that :p

I dont see the refurbished 48 :\ http://www.umarexusa.com/detail.aspx?ID=73

and wow 9 pound seems really heavy.

Also, is this the drooping scope mount?  http://bkltech.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=BKL&Product_Code=260&Category_Code=200

do i get it in .007" drop compensation?

: RE: The CFX is just about as loud as a Shadow...
: PeakChick September 04, 2007, 02:19:12 PM

Kyle, I have a CFX in .22 in addition to my .177. Both are brilliantly accurate rifles, and as Vince mentioned, they are easier to shoot than the RWS break barrels (although, both my 34s are tack drivers). Being a fixed barrel rifle, the CFX is inherently accurate. They also do not require a drooper mount. Power wise I would estimate my CFX in .22 and my Panther to be pretty close. I guess it just boils down to which you prefer a fixed barrel or a break barrel

If you do decide on a 34, and want to use the BKL mount, yes, you want the 260 D7 mount (if you are using a 1" tube scope). That six screw, one piece mount is the answer to a RWS shooters scope mounting nightmares, in my opinion ( I have owned 3 RWS break barrels and I won't consider anything but the BKL mount, pricey but worth every penny).

: RE: The CFX is just about as loud as a Shadow...
: PeakChick September 04, 2007, 02:21:35 PM

PS: If you go with a .22 CFX, you will need a GRT-III trigger. As I am sure you are aware, the Gamo trigger is garbage.

: You've got to call Umarex and get connected to the gunsmith...
: vinceb September 04, 2007, 02:23:55 PM

He also has refurbs '34s and Panthers for about $130. No Panthers in .22, though.

These prices include shipping, BTW...

: RE: The CFX is just about as loud as a Shadow...
: September 04, 2007, 02:34:41 PM

replied in wrong place

: RE: You've got to call Umarex and get connected to the gunsmith...
: September 04, 2007, 02:36:38 PM

Hm well it's starting to sound like the 34 is beyond my "skill level" i guess you could say. Well unless it's not much harder to shoot than the CFX it isn't, but the 48 sounds like it is out there -> in terms of me being able to use it effectively

Where do you get the CFX in .22? I have heard of gamo guns in .22 but i have *never* seen one

also, with this trigger (which would solve my frustration with gamo..) how do you install it? as you can tell i'm a "noob" i guess when it comes to modifying air guns. Also, would you give me a link to the trigger? my .177 CFX had a problem where the glue on the front sight came loose and the sight rotates 360° around, did you have this problem?

Would you say the cfx is as accurate as the 34?

sorry for all of these questions but i want to be sure of what im getting before i get it

: RE: The CFX is just about as loud as a Shadow...
: PeakChick September 04, 2007, 02:41:56 PM

Kyle, the CFX in .22 is only currently available from Pryamid. If you buy from Pyramid, use this discount code "NRA-PYRAMID" It will get you 10% off. You don't get free shipping if you use it, but the discount usually still save you a bit.

You can get the GRT-III trigger only one place, and it's a great one, from Charlie Da Tuna. His web site and Pyramid's have links in our "Mall" The GRT-III trigger will be the best $32.00 you have ever spent on an air rifle, guaranteed! It is very easy to install, I have them on both my CFXs. Charlie will E-mail you excellent instructions and it is a 15 minute job, at worst. You will need a Torx bit driver for the stock screws on any Gamo, including the CFX, but they are available anywhere tools are sold, if you don't already have them.

: ..
: vinceb September 04, 2007, 02:42:47 PM

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: If you wanna mess with a used one
: 3n00n September 04, 2007, 02:44:27 PM

the possibilities are limitless . . .

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An example (http://thread-view.asp?tid=4091&mid=28061#M28061) (http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/images/smiles/a_bigteeth.gif)

: Here....
: vinceb September 04, 2007, 02:45:04 PM

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/gamo-cfx-break-barrel-air-rifle.shtml

And possibly nowhere else.

Don't believe the "830fps" garbage. They oughta get real...

: RE: The CFX is just about as loud as a Shadow...
: September 04, 2007, 02:47:57 PM

PeakChick - 9/4/2007  10:41 AM

Kyle, the CFX in .22 is only currently available from Pryamid. If you buy from Pyramid, use this discount code "NRA-PYRAMID" It will get you 10% off. You don't get free shipping if you use it, but the discount usually still save you a bit.

You can get the GRT-III trigger only one place, and it's a great one, from Charlie Da Tuna. His web site and Pyramid's have links in our "Mall" The GRT-III trigger will be the best $32.00 you have ever spent on an air rifle, guaranteed! It is very easy to install, I have them on both my CFXs. Charlie will E-mail you excellent instructions and it is a 15 minute job, at worst. You will need a Torx bit driver for the stock screws on any Gamo, including the CFX, but they are available anywhere tools are sold, if you don't already have them.

Ok here it is on pyramid http://www.pyramydair.com/p/gamo-cf-x-air-rifle.shtml but it doesnt have the .22 listed :\

you know i think i just might be a noob haha

: RE: Here....
: September 04, 2007, 02:49:12 PM

vinceb - 9/4/2007  10:45 AM

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/gamo-cfx-break-barrel-air-rifle.shtml

And possibly nowhere else.

Don't believe the "830fps" garbage. They oughta get real...

Oh hey thanks!  i guess it's only on the combo page :)

So this would have abotu the same velocity as the 34 right?  if not the same?

perhaps more b/c of the longer barrel..

: ok well so far what i'm starting to think..
: September 04, 2007, 02:51:59 PM

To be happy with a CFX i need to pay an extra 35 bucks for a trigger, makign it more expensive than the 34

is the cfx in .22 worth it?

: RE: Here....
: PeakChick September 04, 2007, 02:53:12 PM

Kyle, real world the .22 CFX will get mid 600fps to 700fps or just a bit more, depending on the pellet, the RWS 34 will do about the same.
Yes, the .22 CFX is only available as the combo. The 4x Gamo labled scope that comes on the .22 CFX isn't that bad a scope. I still have that scope on my .22, will eventually put a better scope on it.

: RE: ok well so far what i'm starting to think..
: PeakChick September 04, 2007, 02:56:44 PM

Kyle, I think the CFX with a GRT-III trigger is a great value for the money. I think it shoots as well as some much more expensive rifles. The RWS comes with a better trigger stock, but will need a more expensive mount and a tough scope. I have both rifles, and like them both for what they are. If you want the easiest rifle to shoot well, right out of the box (with the good trigger installed) then the CFX would be the choice, in my opinion.

: RE: ok well so far what i'm starting to think..
: September 04, 2007, 03:01:01 PM

hm yeah i think you are right

what i am mainly concerned about is the cfx being weaker than the 34 by a large margin :\

Look here: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=3675&mid=24819#M24819

the website advertises 830 with crosman premiers, but as he said that's kinda fishy

: RE: ok well so far what i'm starting to think..
: longislandhunter September 04, 2007, 03:01:43 PM

I agree,,,, I love my .22 CFX, accurate as heck and gets the job done.  I also agree about the scope that comes with the combo,,,, I thought the scope was actually pretty good.  I wound up putting a Golden Antler 3x9x32 on the CFX, but I put the GAMO 4x scope on my .22 QB78-D and it's great.  Nice clear optics and performs well.

Jeff

: RE: ok well so far what i'm starting to think..
: September 04, 2007, 03:20:24 PM

Ok so i ordered the trigger and i'll be ordering the gamo .22 soon

how does he send me the instructions?  dont i have to email him telling what type of gun i have?

also, what pellets do you find to be the most accurate and best for hunting?

: RE: ok well so far what i'm starting to think..
: PeakChick September 04, 2007, 03:32:22 PM

I think you made a good choice Kyle. Charlie will E-mail the instrcutions, both in word.doc and .pdf format, but they are available on his web site, on the GRT trigger page.

I use BSA Wolverines, 16gr as the pellet of choice in my CFX. The BSAs are JSB exacts, relabled. The CFX will shoot a lot of pellets well, mine also likes Gamo hunters. Lots of folks here like the JSB Predators for hunting, devastating stopping power, they are pricey so not a good choice for a plinking pellet. You might also try RWS Super Domes, Beeman FTS, Benajmin 14.3 gr, and a slew of others. Every rifle will have a favorite pellet or two that it shoots best, just have to run a selection through it and find out which.

Let us know when you get your rifle and we expect a review and pics......LOL   :)

(Oh, and if you don't love the GRT-III trigger you are welcome to let me know and call me names.............No worries here.)

: RE: ok well so far what i'm starting to think..
: September 04, 2007, 03:41:58 PM

lol will do

and you do realize that JSB exacts are more expensive than the predators, right? :p

but hm do you hunt at all?  i want to know because maybe you like the exacts for target shooting, im looking for pellets that are accurate and deadly ;)

: RE: ok well so far what i'm starting to think..
: PeakChick September 04, 2007, 03:52:27 PM

Kyle, the Exact Jumbos, 15.8 gr are $9.99 for 250, The Exact Express, 14.3 gr are $12.35 for 500, the Predators (Ballistic tip) are $11.75 for 200 on Pyramid's site. By the way, Pyramid has a great deal on pellets, but 3 get the fourth tin free.

I do pest bird controll Kyle, and have dropped a bunch of pest birds with a number of my rifles at ranges from 10 - 40 yds. The JSB Exacts are excellent hunting pellets. The Preadators would be a good choice if you were after bigger, harder to bring down game such as squirrels, rabbits, ground hogs......Although the Exacts will do the job on them too. Something to remember, precise pellet placement is the name of the game in hunting with an air rifle. "A hit with a .22 rimfire does a heck of a lot more damage than a miss with a .300 Magnum."

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4473&mid=31398#M31398

: RE: ok well so far what i'm starting to think..
: September 04, 2007, 04:19:00 PM

alright well i ordered my pellets from amazon and they didnt have jsb exacts so no point in cancelling my order and redoing it with the exacts

i ordered RWS super points (which have great reviews in .22) as well as super-h points.  they ahve worked beautifully for me in the past and hopefully it will be no different :)

gonna order the gun first thing tomorrow

: RE: ok well so far what i'm starting to think..
: longislandhunter September 04, 2007, 04:19:36 PM

Kyle,   Stephanie is correct,, accuracy is the key factor for sure.  My .22 CFX shoots a bunch of pellets extremely well but I wound up sighting it in for Beeman FTS pellets since they gave me the best accuracy/groups out of all the pellets I tried.  I've used them to take groundhogs and squirrels and they've performed well.  

I also like the Predators pellets and use them a great deal in my other rifles.  They really do have amazing take down power.  All my rifles are used for hunting, both .177 and .22, and besides the predators and the FTS pellets I've also had good hunting success with CPL's, JSB EXACTS, Superdomes, RWS SHP (.22 only) and GAMO Tomahawks (.177) - wish they made them in .22  

Best of luck with the new rig when you get it.  

Jeff

: RE: The CFX is just about as loud as a Shadow...
: rabbit September 05, 2007, 06:54:07 AM

P.C.
     The fixed barrell rifles have just as much barrell droop as the break barrell guns do. It has nothing to do with the barrell going up and down. Have a nice day...

                                  Rabbit      :)  :)

: RE: The CFX is just about as loud as a Shadow...
: PeakChick September 05, 2007, 11:56:14 AM

Thanks Rabbit. I am aware of that, and that "barrel droop" is not solely endemic to break barrel rifles and has nothing to do with the break barrel action. It is not a defect,(although it can be) but rather an engineered in design. It is very commonly encountered in RWS rifles and more commonly in their break barrel designs.

Here is an earlier post I did:

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=3833&mid=26165#M26165