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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Gamo Gate => : 98 SNAKE EATER October 21, 2007, 04:41:01 AM

: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: 98 SNAKE EATER October 21, 2007, 04:41:01 AM
Last night I installed a GRT-III and everything went pretty smooth....

Took me about 30 minutes to install with 20 of them spent combing the floor with a magnet cause the damn E-clip shot across the room  when I tried to remove it  :o


Anyhoo, today I hit the range and was getting some VERY tight groups  :)


After about 50 rounds, I tried to cock it and the barrel felt a bit looser than normal as if it were too easy to break down from the straight position....

It got tighter about half way down, but seemed to lock ok...

Took a shot and barely had any power  :o

Felt like an old Crosman pneumatic with one or two pumps  :0

Tried it again and got the same thing...

Figured I probably goofed sumthin up during the install, so I took her apart again and checked all the parts fudged with, but everything seems intact...

Put the stock back on, but now she won't cock at all  :0

I can break the barrel down, but it only goes about half way and tightens up without catching...



Any ideas what this might be?




Rick
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: Rixtrix October 21, 2007, 04:49:38 AM
Probably lost the cocking linkage roller(s) when you pulled the action out. They slide in inlets in the stock to push the piston back. If they're gon, you get a binding situation. Round, black, about 5/16" dia, 3/8"long with about a 1/8" center hole. HTH.

Ric G
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: 98 SNAKE EATER October 21, 2007, 05:02:52 AM
The two little plastic rollers (one thin, one thick) is in place and working...

I just took her apart again, removed the GRT-III, reinstalled it and she's cocking again, but still with very low power  :0

Tried putting a pellet in and it didn't even move (just sounded like a little puff of air)

It feels as though the spring is kaput, but I have no idea how to go about checking it...

With the stock removed, I can slide the spring back and forth in the chamber with a small screwdriver...

Is this normal?
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: Splash October 21, 2007, 05:06:14 AM
I think Ric is right with your 2nd problem. The first sounds like the spring broke :0 , take the stock back off and you will probably see it.
Mike
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: 98 SNAKE EATER October 21, 2007, 06:03:27 AM
Splash - 10/21/2007  1:06 PM

I think Ric is right with your 2nd problem. The first sounds like the spring broke :0 , take the stock back off and you will probably see it.
Mike



Bingo  :0


Just took her apart again and spund the spring with a knife and this is what I saw:


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/bustedwhisperspring.JPG

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/bustedwhisperspring2.JPG





So what options do I have now?

Is there another heavy duty spring available or should I just replace the stock trigger and have Gamo warranty it? (which they'll prolly void since I turned a few screws)






Rick

: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: preez October 21, 2007, 06:59:16 AM
Crosman spring will work, or if you want to upgrade you can go with Jim Maccari's spring, but it may require guide fabrication.

preez
: Check with CdT
: 3n00n October 21, 2007, 07:05:20 AM
http://charliedatuna.com/ (http://charliedatuna.com/)
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If anyone knows Gamo, HE does.
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My bet is he knows just what you need, andprobably even has it in stock. . . (http://www.airgunhome.com/agforum/images/smiles/bigteeth.gif)
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: 98 SNAKE EATER October 21, 2007, 07:07:25 AM
preez - 10/21/2007  2:59 PM

Crosman spring will work, or if you want to upgrade you can go with Jim Maccari's spring, but it may require guide fabrication.

preez



Well, according to Gamo's site, turnaround time is about a month  :0


I don't think I can do without her for that long, so I think I'm gunna send her out to CDT for a supertune  :emoticon:




: RE: Check with CdT
: 98 SNAKE EATER October 21, 2007, 07:09:10 AM
3n00n - 10/21/2007  3:05 PM

http://charliedatuna.com/ (http://charliedatuna.com/)
`
If anyone knows Gamo, HE does.
` 
My bet is he knows just what you need, and probably even has it in stock . . . (http://www.airgunhome.com/agforum/images/smiles/bigteeth.gif)




LOL


I was just on the site reading up on the tunes...

Waiting for him to get back to me before i send her out
: Re: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: Rixtrix October 21, 2007, 07:26:47 AM
Wow, Rick, that spring broke early in it's lifetime. One in my S1K lasted 2500 rounds. Got a Maccari spring in it now and it's lasted 3000 shots. Bob( CDT) is definitely the MAN if you want to send it out. Good Luck.( When I put my GRT-lll in, I lost the roller and it wouldn't cock either, but I had only shot it about 300)

Ric G
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: 98 SNAKE EATER October 21, 2007, 07:30:03 AM
What's the average lifespan of a spring?

I've shot about 5000 mixed pellets since I've had her :o
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: October 21, 2007, 09:56:12 AM
Was it the smaller or the larger spring that was broken?

I had a broken spring in my Shadow, it was the smaller spring. I had no pellet movement with only one spring, but with the bigger half of the busted one in and some oil it shot okay. I had a few other broken parts and replaced them, check all around to make sure everything else is intact. Now it won't cock, but I'm pretty sure its just oil on the sear because it got about 20 rounds down the tube, then I heard a squeek, then it sounded like the piston was slipping off the sear. Use light grease if you decide not to get a new spring. If you like the power (or just wouldn't like to risk anything) you should get a new spring.

Best of luck!

Josh
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: October 21, 2007, 10:31:50 AM
Might have to scratch that...I just ripped her wide open again (I'm starting to do this within half a minute :D) and noticed the spring crept forward, may have caused it to fail to cock. Looks like you might be stuck buying a new spring, sorry man.
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: 98 SNAKE EATER October 21, 2007, 10:39:09 AM
It's hard to tell which one it is (I'm not even sure what it's supposed to look like), but it's toward the rear of the gun and surrounds the metal tube thingie....


If I stand the gun upright and shake it, I can feel the spring bouncing up and down...

Definitely not gunna take any chances with it, so I'm gunna send it out to CDT and let him work his magic  8)


Trying to decide between the super and the turbo tune though....

I just want it to be as consistent as possible without worry of this happening again anytime soon....
: Smaller/Larger spring?
: vinceb October 21, 2007, 10:39:26 AM
Do you have 2 mainsprings in your Gamo - an inner and an outer?
: RE: Smaller/Larger spring?
: 98 SNAKE EATER October 21, 2007, 10:41:19 AM
vinceb - 10/21/2007  6:39 PM

Do you have 2 mainsprings in your Gamo - an inner and an outer?



I already put her back together, but going by the pix and my clouded memory, I think it does have an inner and outer...
: RE: Smaller/Larger spring?
: October 21, 2007, 11:52:59 AM
I don't think so...I was thinking there was, but after some thought and then looking at all three pieces, I concluded that it was all one big spring.

I just put the largest part in the airgun, and had the 2nd biggest piece wrapped up in it. I believe that after a few rounds, it moved down to where it wouldn't let the sear catch. It seems to be running half-decent with just the largest part of the mainspring, but it has NO power-one two rounds hardly made it out of the barrel. Now looking for a mainspring for payday, best I can find that carrys Gamo springs are JG, and thats 40 bucks shipped, at least :(
: RE: Smaller/Larger spring?
: October 21, 2007, 11:55:20 AM
Might be confused like I was-all the pieces managed to get twirled up in each other. Seemed like two different springs at first sight. Good luck with your tune up, hope shes even better than before! (I saw your videos, pretty impressive!)
: Yes, I believe you're right.
: vinceb October 21, 2007, 12:20:25 PM
Again, the Crosman Spring and tophat (used together) is the quickest, easiest, and cheapest fix, and some have reported good durability with the Crosman spring.
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: October 21, 2007, 05:53:29 PM
98 SNAKE EATER - 10/21/2007  2:03 PM
[...]
So what options do I have now?

Is there another heavy duty spring available or should I just replace the stock trigger and have Gamo warranty it? (which they'll prolly void since I turned a few screws)


It's up to you, but if you decide to have Gamo fulfill their obligation on it, as long as the stock trigger is back in, they will service it as warranted, and taking the barreled action out of the stock does not void the warranty.
: Re: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: Gene_SC October 21, 2007, 11:12:36 PM
Hey Rick

You won't go wrong sending it to CDT. I have about 13 Gamo's and most have been tuned by CDT. Yes you could put a Crosman "chinese spring", in the Whisper but if you like the Whisper allot then CDT is your best bet for getting quality parts made in USA back in her..:)

Best of luck
Gene
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: 98 SNAKE EATER October 22, 2007, 05:16:30 AM
oldpink - 10/22/2007  1:53 AM

98 SNAKE EATER - 10/21/2007  2:03 PM
[...]
So what options do I have now?

Is there another heavy duty spring available or should I just replace the stock trigger and have Gamo warranty it? (which they'll prolly void since I turned a few screws)


It's up to you, but if you decide to have Gamo fulfill their obligation on it, as long as the stock trigger is back in, they will service it as warranted, and taking the barreled action out of the stock does not void the warranty.



Well, I have yet to deal with Gamo directly, but their warranty FAQ scares me lol


Q.: Can I modify my rifle?
A.: No. NEVER modify your rifle. It could be dangerous and would void your warranty. Please refer to the manual, which states: "This warranty does not include damage caused by abuse, unauthorized repair or modification of any kind".  
 
 
Q.: If I take my rifle apart will it still be under warranty?
A.: No. NEVER take your rifle apart. It could be dangerous and would void your warranty. Please refer to the manual, which states: "This warranty does not include damage caused by abuse, unauthorized repair or modification of any kind".  
 
 
Q.: What can I do if I get rust in the barrel?
A.: With proper lubrication, rust in the barrel should not occur. Please refer to your local gunsmith for assistance. Also note that our warranty states that damage caused by abuse is not included.  
 
 
Q.: Can the butt pad be removed from my rifle for better fit without voiding the warranty?
A.: No. The butt plate should not be removed from your rifle, as this would void the warranty for the stock.
 

 

It would suck if I sent her out for warranty repairs, waited 4 weeks, then get a call saying they won't honor the warranty cause they found my fingerprints around the spring housing lol


Gene, I'm waiting on Bob to get back to me so I can send her off   :)
: Re: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: October 23, 2007, 08:04:06 PM
The exact thing happened to my new Shadow sport I recently purchased. I had less than 200 pellets through it. I could no longer cock it either, there was pressure but wouldnt catch to fully cock. I was pretty dissapointed being a brand new gun, but thought maybe I got a lemon. But sounds like this could be a common prob. Anyway I got a whisper on the way for an exchange, Hope it doesnt happen again. I love the tactical look of the gamos. Id hate to go to another brand. Anyway thought id share that, good luck.
: Re: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: Big_Bill October 24, 2007, 04:12:48 AM


Welcome to the GTA, Rodney,



Sorry about your problems with the Shadow, I hope you have better success with the Whisper.



This does not seem to be a common problem with Gamo air rifles, but we all receive a lemon at times !



I hope to read your post here, on your NEW WHISPER ! If you do a SEARCH, you will find loads of information on the Shadow and the Whisper.



Again, WELCOME to the GTA, You have found a GREAT PLACE TO BE !!!

: Re: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: shadow October 24, 2007, 12:17:49 PM
Yes WELCOME TO GTA Rodney, I have a ShadowSport and she as performed flawlessly for me, lot's of hunt's in her. I just completed a tune on her and to my surprise she looked ok inside, seal replacement a must anyway. A tune turn's em into a whole new beast hehe. A pic of her in winter camo.
: Re: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: October 24, 2007, 07:12:52 PM
Hey thanks for making me feel welcome guys. Ya I hope I have good luck with it too. Ill let ya know how It goes still waiting for dellivery. Oh nice paint job.
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: 98 SNAKE EATER October 26, 2007, 02:21:39 PM
Welcome aboard, Rodney :)


I'm a newb myself, but the folks around here make me feel like a longtime crewmember  8)



Anyhoo, my Whisper is now in the hands of the CDT  :D


I decided on the Turbo Tune
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: 98 SNAKE EATER November 01, 2007, 03:29:33 AM
Well, she's back from CDT :D

Haven't had a chance to fire her off yet as I have a lounge full of customers at the shop, but  I can't wait to get her home and break her in at the range 8)

I tell'ya, Bob works FAST!!

Before I could even send an email out to see if he got started, he sent ME an email with a tracking number for return shipping  :o

Accoding to the test results, the numbers look very consistent, which is exactly what I wanted  8)


I'll put up a review by tomorrow if weather permits...






Rick
: Re: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: johncedarhill November 01, 2007, 04:13:13 AM
Really pretty camo!!!!!!
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: November 01, 2007, 04:56:36 AM
Glad ya got your baby back :) Maybe she'll shoot better than before!
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: November 01, 2007, 06:53:18 AM
If CdT did his usual magic, it will be a smooth shooter.
: Re: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: November 01, 2007, 07:07:54 AM
I'd really like to hear the results. I plan on getting a whisper with tax return money- then sending it out to charlie.

I'd really like to know how much quieter you think it is.
: Re: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: 98 SNAKE EATER November 01, 2007, 02:33:26 PM
OK, I've only run about 30 rounds through her, but I can honestly say she feels like a COMPLETELY different gun!!

The cocking is smooth as silk with no twang and even the recoil feels rubbery compared to the harsh snap it once had  :D


Put together a short video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqXGOYw_cM0


Can't wait to mount the scope for some long range shooting this weekend  :)



: Re: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: Big_Bill November 01, 2007, 03:36:51 PM


Go Rick,



Another fine production !! Looks and sounds to me , that Charlie really sprinkled his Magic Dust on your Whisper !



And GOOD shootin with iron sights..

: after the tune
: November 05, 2007, 05:29:44 AM
98 snake eater, can you say it sounds quieter after the tune? Judging solely by your videos, I think it does sound a bit quieter, but without handling the unit myself or being there I can't say for sure (since there are so many variables to recording).

-Mark

: RE: after the tune
: 98 SNAKE EATER November 05, 2007, 11:15:12 AM
killdawabbit - 11/5/2007  1:29 PM

98 snake eater, can you say it sounds quieter after the tune? Judging solely by your videos, I think it does sound a bit quieter, but without handling the unit myself or being there I can't say for sure (since there are so many variables to recording).

-Mark





Well, the entire cocking action is much smoother with no spring twang or any sound of sliding metal for that matter, so yes, it's quieter in that aspect...


Even the safety has a nice rubbery feel, unlike the usual "clack" (see my pre-tune videos for a comparision)


As for shooting, even though the spring recoil feels more dampened, it actually seems a little louder at the muzzle....

However, I think that has more to do with the oils used during the tune (CDT's spec sheet actually states it will be louder during break-in)


PBA's sound incredibly LOUD!!

To me, they sound even louder now than when the gun was new (I think my neighbor got whiplash when I fired one off today)


I've only put about 150 pellets through her so far, but she feels great :)

The best bit is that she's so much more consistent  8)


Pre-tune, she'd start off with high velocity and settle down after about 50 shots...

Post tune, the velocity stays the same from cold bore to 75+ shots back to back  :D
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: CharlieDaTuna November 05, 2007, 12:54:19 PM
Hey Rick... I would be very careful using those PBA's. They are very light, just over 5 gr and very hard on your spring and can really shorten the life of it. It doesn't take a whole lot in some guns to cause spring fatigue and spring failure.
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: 98 SNAKE EATER November 05, 2007, 01:09:21 PM
CharlieDaTuna - 11/5/2007  8:54 PM

Hey Rick... I would be very careful using those PBA's. They are very light, just over 5 gr and very hard on your spring and can really shorten the life of it. It doesn't take a whole lot in some guns to cause spring fatigue and spring failure.



Thanx for the heads up, Bob  8)



I'll stick to my favorite pellets from now on (Premier Dome Lites 7.9)
: RE: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: November 05, 2007, 11:43:54 PM
I have no intention of running the PBA's once I get my whisper. they are louder than all the other pellets I have heard, and I have had bad experiences with their quality.

I am going after squirrels anyway. regular premiers should work just fine, and be quieter.

I am looking for the silent of the silent here.

-Mark
: Re: Looks like I've run into a problem with my Whisper
: Gene_SC November 06, 2007, 02:17:32 AM
One thing that will kill or shortin the life of a spring in a springer is a lite pellet.. A good weight for a .177 is around 7.3.

Gene