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Gateway To Product Reviews => Scope and Mount Reviews => : r1derbike October 28, 2007, 03:49:20 AM
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OK. I know getting a somewhat high power scope for the CFX .22 is overkill, but sometimes I've got to play with with targets over 50 yards away.
Does the inaccuracy of the CFX .22 (I'm assuming not enough velocity for decent trajectory?) at long range make purchasing the scope moot?
I know there are many scope experts here, and inquiring minds want to know!
Thanks!
Charles
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I got a barska 4x32 mildot AO scope and LOVED it on my .22 qb... The mil's really help alot.
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A little off the subject of your post, Charles, but I was wondering if any of the .22 CFX crowd have tried any of the light weight pellets? Beeman has 3 that I know of under 14 gr., the Laser @ 13.36, the Silver Bear @ 12.65, and the Match @ 13.75. I never tried them in .22, but the .177 Silver Bears were surprisingly good in my .177 CFX. If it was a firearm bullet, I'd call it a semi wadcutter, semi hollow point. Good pellet, especially at shorter ranges.
Regarding your scope choice, I say get what you're happy with. I was shooting indoors at 10 yards last winter with an RWS 350 .22 with a Simmons 44 Mag 6.5-20x44 scope. Turn it all the way down, and it works fine. If that's still too much, and I happen to think it is for a CFX, get a nice 3-12x scope. That's what I had on my .177 CFX, it worked for me out past 50 yards using charcoal briquettes as targets. I had the Leapers 3-12x44 30mm full size, liked the scope, but had too many failures with Leapers to feel good about recommending them. But there are lots of choices in that power range. Whatever you decide on, get the best scope you can afford. I know, it's "just an airgun", but most of the fun comes from hitting what we shoot at. And being confident we can. Scope problems almost destroyed that for me at one point, so for me, a cheap scope really isn't. Good luck, and hope that's some help.
Dave
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Thanks for all the input, guys, especially the Leapers warning. Dave, I think your suggestion on the 3-12 on my CFX .22 is right on. I was a bit underwhelmed in the fps side of it (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=5134&mid=37325#M37325) and was hoping for a bit more fps by increasing skirt size, but it wasn't to be.
Decisions, decisions. The only other choice in a .22 would be an expensive PCP Condor, and that's just not practical on the budget this time of year.
Wanted to use the illum. scope for night work, with a flashlight attached, though. Much cheaper than a Condor. I've got two other BSA red dots. May just put that on it for night work, but don't want to change scopes much and have to resight all the time. A laser would be better still.
Charles
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What do you need a Condor for, Charles? My Talon SS with the 12" .177 barrel easily exceeds the power you're getting from your CFX. In .22, it'll push 30 fpe real hard. And if you decide you need more power later, just get one of the longer barrels. A stock Talon or SS with a 24" .22 barrel will do 50 fpe, if you really NEED more than that, you probably should be running instead of shooting :-)! Like you, I was pretty underwhelmed by the performance of the CFX in .22, even compared to the same gun in .177. Having the Talon at the same time only made it look weaker. Granted, the one I had was still not broken in yet, but out of the box, it got 15 fpe. That's what my .177 CFX was doing. So it went away to pay for the custom valve in my Talon. Hey, I might just NEED 100 fpe someday, I don't run as well as I used to :-). Later.
Dave
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That Talon SS is supposed to be quiet, no? Barrel shroud and all? I'd love to sell the .22 CFX and use the money and holiday money to get a talon...but the other stuff is so expensive to support it.
Is it as quiet as the .22 CFX?
Charles
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Hey Charles I was looking over on Natchez's web site yesterday and they have a BSA 4-16X40MM ILLMINATED MIL DOT RETfor just $74.00. Not a bad price. I have just one of them and it is pretty good for a BSA.. Gene
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Out-of-stock at the moment, Gene, but thanks for the link! They'll notify by email when they are back in stock.
Charles
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Hmm. It said in stock..lol I ordered the one without the illuminated rectile. Hope I do not get an out of stock notification..:(
Gene
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Yes, I'd say at least as quiet as a CFX, and you can get them even quieter without breaking any laws. As to the rest of it being really expensive, that depends on where and how you shoot. I tend to do most of my shooting in my back yard, or close to home, so being able to refill a tank away from home is low priority. I fill from a 4500 psi industrial nitrogen cylinder that I rent from a local gas supplier. Tank rent is $10 a month, gas was about $60. I got my Talon the end of June this year, got my tank set up some time in July. I'm still shooting on the same tank, and I shoot quite a bit. I got a scuba tank filler with my gun, modified it to work with the nitrogen tank, total cost came to about $100. Hell, I just put in a pellet order that was more expensive than that :-)! The other nice thing is that I KNOW it's clean, dry gas going into my gun. Moisture can be a problem if you use a pump, at least that's what I've read. So there's a relatively cheap alternative to feeding a PCP. There is a down side, though. If you do get a Talon, it won't take you long to realize that springers are too much work for not enough power. I went from 5 springers to 1 Talon in about a month. On my short list? Another Talon, so I don't have to keep swapping barrels around :-). Be warned, the Dark Side WILL prevail...
Dave
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Hmmm. I just checked, and you're right. It shows in stock. I don't know what I was looking at for 74 bucks...who knows?
They've also got a refurb, but think might be a crap-shoot? http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&src=iDC7&prodID=OSMD41640IRR
Charles
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Here is the link I was looking at: :) Gene http://natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&ammoGroup=&brand=&prodID=OSMD416X40IR (http://natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&ammoGroup=&brand=&prodID=OSMD416X40IR)
This one is brand new and not a refurb
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Yep! That's the one! Have you got one on a CFX, Gene? I'm a bit concerned that the rotary breech loading might be tricky, with a scope that long?
Charles
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Charles, I have a Simmons Pro Air 4-12X40AO on my CFX and it is 14" long. No problem with loading port. It sits back about 2" from loading port. I do not know how long the BSA is though.
Gene
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15.5 inches sticks in my mind, for some reason. Have to put the sunshade on after loading the rifle! HIHO! Need to do some measuring.
Charles
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I bought the new BSA 4-12X40 AO W/Mil Dot for my new HW 50s. The HW packs a good punch so I thought I would try the BSA out first on it before I went to a Bushy.
Gene
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Ya 15.5 inches would not work.. lol I have a BSA 3-12X32 on my other CFX Royal .22. On my Synthetic CFX I am useing a BSA 3-12-40AO I think. I keep it in the shop most of the time.
Gene
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daved - 10/28/2007 2:46 PM
A little off the subject of your post, Charles, but I was wondering if any of the .22 CFX crowd have tried any of the light weight pellets? Beeman has 3 that I know of under 14 gr., the Laser @ 13.36, the Silver Bear @ 12.65, and the Match @ 13.75. I never tried them in .22, but the .177 Silver Bears were surprisingly good in my .177 CFX. If it was a firearm bullet, I'd call it a semi wadcutter, semi hollow point. Good pellet, especially at shorter ranges.
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Dave
I don't know about those you mentioned, but one that does exceptionally well in my .22 CFX is the Beeman Field Target Special (aka H&N FTS), which drops five inside 1/2" @ 25 yards.
It also turns out to be the flatest shooting pellet out of that rifle by far, requiring only one mil dot holdover @ 50 yards.
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r1derbike - 10/29/2007 12:21 AM
Out-of-stock at the moment, Gene, but thanks for the link! They'll notify by email when they are back in stock.
Charles
How about the same scope that I have riding on my .177 CFX, Centerpoint 4-16x40 red/green illuminated mil-dot scope?
I like mine quite a lot, and you can get them at Wal-Mart for $70.
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Hey Scott, that price for the centerpoint looks good. All of the Wally Worlds around me have pretty much cut out most if not all the powder burners and only Daiseys left for air rifles. Only have found one store that has a decent scope and that is a Bushy 4-12X40AO that is a bit more expensive. What part of the world do you live in Scott.
Gene
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Gene_SC - 10/29/2007 6:08 AM
Hey Scott, that price for the centerpoint looks good. All of the Wally Worlds around me have pretty much cut out most if not all the powder burners and only Daiseys left for air rifles. Only have found one store that has a decent scope and that is a Bushy 4-12X40AO that is a bit more expensive. What part of the world do you live in Scott.
Gene
So far, the only guns Wal-Mart sells in my neck of the woods (East Central Indiana) are muzzle loaders and Daisy and Crosman airguns, plus (of course) a few paintball and AirSoft guns.
That scope is very nice, but it is also the absolute maximum length I could recommend using on my .177 CFX, due to the loading port.
One thing that really impresses me about the Centerpoint/Leapers scopes is that their AO numbers are almost perfectly on the money rangewise.
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By the way Scott, I am originally from Plainfield Indiana... I did get a chance to get over to the far side of the big city today and found a Wally World that had the CenterPoint Scopes.. My impression was that they are nicely made but man are they heavy.. lol Got to holdaCenterPoint and held a Bushy 4-12X40 at same time and what a difference in weight. Put both down real quick.. hehe. And that Wally World only had Diaseys and a couple Crosman along with paintballs guns..
Gene
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Gene, I found a WM Centerpoint (Crosman?) 4-16X40mm red and green illum. mil dot reticle with rings (Weaver, but I've got dovetails that will fit) and caps for quite a decent price with discount. It will allow breech access, but I'm a bit worried about the larger front bell, so gonna take the CFX in with the lower part of my rings attached and see if the scope bell will clear.
Looked very nice, and played with it for a bit.
Any history on this scope, I need to know about?
Thanks...Charles
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Gene_SC - 10/29/2007 11:32 PM
By the way Scott, I am originally from Plainfield Indiana... I did get a chance to get over to the far side of the big city today and found a Wally World that had the CenterPoint Scopes.. My impression was that they are nicely made but man are they heavy.. lol Got to hold a CenterPoint and held a Bushy 4-12X40 at same time and what a difference in weight. Put both down real quick.. hehe. And that Wally World only had Diaseys and a couple Crosman along with paintballs guns..
Gene
Oh, yeah!
Plainfield is on the other side of the big town from me.
You will be saddened to know that the sporting goods retailer Galyan's headquartered there is no more, thanks to Dick's Sporting Goods pulling a Genghis Khan by parachuting into town a couple of years ago.
Grrrrrrrrr
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I can help you out with that Centerpoint, as I have on riding on my .177 CFX.
I am using B-Square medium height 2-piece rings, but before that, I had it sitting in Accushot/Leapers 2-piece mediums, and it was just fine.
However, I have to consider this scope the absolute longest feasible scope for the CFX.
But it sure works great, and I can shoot 1/2" groups @ 50 yards with Beeman Ram Jets all day with it.
The red/green illumination is a nice bonus for contrast during bright days and for shooting at dusk or dawn.
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Damn! I meant 25 yards.
Hoo boy!
I don't want to come off as some boastful boob.
Sheesh!
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Thanks, OP! I mounted it (CenterPoint 4-16X40 MM Illum. Red & Green Mil Dot) tonight, and couldn't get over how bright it was, even in low light. Turned-on the red and green reticle, and was wowed again. I don't like the concentric terracing effect of the reflected light (inside), but will have to live with it. This is my first mil dot scope, and see already the advantages for range dependent "hold".
It is indeed the longest scope that would work on the CFX. Pellets that fit snugly into the breech take some time to seat, as it's tight going in front of the bell. The weight between it and the 4X32 I had on it, is very noticeable.
I see already a bipod is a must have at high power. I've got a collapsable monopod, but I'm too shaky with it. Picked this one up for 63.00 (with discount) at the local WM. Came with Weaver mount rings (didn't use them) and flip-caps. Used the Gamo rings/mounts that came with the CFX Combo, worked fine. Wasn't keen on getting high mounts for it, at all.
I don't like how the front bell protective cover is mounted. It has to mate with ridges in the scope bell. This is a PITA, when adjusting parallax at various ranges, as the cover hinge will be off center of 12 o'clock, depending on range, even when adjusted to the closest ridges. The problem is the cover tabs will hit the rear sight, and you have to realign the cover, so they clear. No, I'm not going to remove the rear sight! I'll cut the tabs off first. Yah, yah, this is an obsessive/compulsive niggle, but the older I get, the worse these things irritate me. It's called set in my ways...
Gonna play with the Gamo 4X32 that came off this .22, and put it on my .22 QB-57 for gits and shiggles.
A coworker said the rifle now looked "evil", whatever that means.
Below are some lo-res pics of this monster on my .22 Gamo CFX rifle.:emoticon:
Charles
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r1derbike,
I see you have a scope mount riser on your rifle. Is that the Gamo riser and is it only to raise your scope level? Does it aid at all with the scope creep that is so famous with springers? I'm upgrading the optics on my BigCat and haven't yet decided on my mounts.
Thanks,
Mike
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Zoltar, the mounts are the ones that came with the Gamo .22 CFX combo, which had a 4X32 Gamo scope (think it is a BSA). I didn't use the included Weaver rings/mounts The Gamo mounts utilize the rear scope mount post hole, to keep the scope from traveling. Have not had any issues with creep yet. Was going to site-in and group the scope today, but a water heater calcium dump took me most of the day to get squared-off.
Charles
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How about a Centerpoint 4-16x40 rom WalMart for $69.95? I've had one for a couple of months, used it both on the S1K springer and my BSA Ultra pcp. It has clear and accurate ranging. The best is that the lifetime warranty is from Crosman, which has excellent customer service, should one need to use it.
RicG
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NT
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Rix, it's a done deal! Link below. Thanks!
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=5209&mid=37680#M37680
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Well...I had to get a new water heater (as expected) to take care of the tank calcium dumps. I'm still in sticker shock, especially with new code requirements, that a "buffer" tank be inserted into the inlet, in case of a high-pressure explosion.
That pretty much took the wind out of my sails, to get the CP scope sighted-in, and some groups taken (sigh).
We are drowning in a sea of red tape. Now where are them thar tree rats? Lately, they never seem to be around when I need 'em to be. Little 4-legged nut buzzards.
Charles