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.....how many of us have actually measured our "100 yards" or "50 yards" or whatever it is that we shoot at? Just curious how many of the "dime sized groups at 100 yards" come from a 100 "measured" yards? Not trying to say that we are not all perfectly honest people and that we would embellish the facts, I just think that maybe some people "think" they are shooting a particular distance, but it's just a guess. In case anyone is wondering, yes, I got out the measuring tape last year and measured my "13 yards" from porch to back fence...otherwise I would call it 30 yards:) Only real reason I ask of course is to find out if I am as lousy of a shot as I must be, since I have seen 50 yard 20 shot groups that look better than my 13 yard 3 shot groups. Feel free to just tell me I am a lousy shot and I need to spend more of my time shooting and less time typoing:)
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LOL Dano, I have been guilty of guestimating distance at my old house. In actuality at first I was calling out 40 yards and using the 40 yard targets from http://www.arld1.com/images/swfs/targetspageof3ringadjustablesize.swf .. I calulated the targets that I shot at on the target program to 40 yards..:) In actuality I was shooting at 35 yards. I did measure using a tape but must of had a brain fart and mist 5 yards some where..:) At my new place I was very careful to double check my distances. I have my targets marked at 10 meters, 20 meters, 25 yards, 30 yards, 40 yards, 45 yards and 50 yards. I shoot from inside my shop on my shooting bench. When I finish my back deck in the late spring I will have to move some of my targets and re- measure the distances. Right now I am in the mode of just making different size targets and setting them up so I can shoot from my shop, under cover and out of the cold..:) My last review where I showed the paper target stand at 45 yards was really 45 yards but I was using old printed targets that I hadmade to shoot from 40yards. I am guilty of that also... hehe Gene
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I think we've all lost or gained a yard or two here and there Airbud hehehe, now where's my yardstick. :) Ed
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LOL Bud.. Thought you were gonna say " lost a marble or two.."... :) And that I have done also over the years..:)
Gene
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dan the man, one of the only things i actually take my time to measure is my weight, and can honestly tell you that i am not honest with the reading,therefore i am definitely not measuring yards and feet......at least not honestly...one thing for sure is that your 13 yard shooting area is at least 5yards more than i have when i shoot in my girls apartment,and my Texas friend i give you the the edge in accuracy........her bathroom door can vouch for that....so what i do for better accuracy is... buy.. buy.. buy & than buy some more airguns until one makes me look like a shooter.."gotta luv it or it won't be fun"
joe cuz(akita breeder)
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Hey Dan,,,,,
Don't feel bad about those 13 yard targets,,,,,, I'm normally a decent shot but I've had days where I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at the duck farm,,,, well,,, ok,,, the barn I could hit no problem,,, but the birds that were sitting on top of it certainly had nothing to fear :D
Jeff
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Okay, you're a lousy shot, you need to spend more time shooting and less time "typoing", whatever that is :-)! Hey, you had to know someone was gonna say it. To answer your question, yes, I have a 200' tape measure I use to lay out my range. Although I'm going to have to completely rearrange everything this coming spring, I now have a 36' greenhouse/chicken coop right smack in the middle of my old range :-(. At least I have enough room on the other side of my shop for as long a range as I need (75 yards+), it just means I'll have to move my bench into the driveway. Wonder what the touristas driving by on the highway will think :-)? Later.
Dave
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Hey, Joe, lots of rifles is fun, but remember the old saying: "Beware the one gun shooter." You might find it well worth your time to pick one and concentrate on getting really good with it. Once you've done that, the next one will go much faster and easier. My second best shooter was my first one, a .177 CFX. It was my only gun for quite awhile, and I shot it a LOT! Had and did a lot of work on it, up to installing a Theoben gas ram. My best shooter is probably my Talon, but again, I became a 1 gun shooter once I got it, and also shot it a lot. In the meantime, I'd be more than happy to take care of all those extras you have laying around once you settle on the ONE. Hey, just trying to be helpful :-)! Later.
Dave
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I have yellow tent stakes driven into the ground every 10 yards measured from 10-55 yards. I guesstimate the in between yardages . I only have a bench , well actually it's a steel mesh round picnic table at 18 yards . And no, my groups away from the table aren't as good as some claim ; but my eyes probably aren't either . lol kirby
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I measured my 10m basement range and my 20m site in target in the back yard with a surveying chain (big tape). Everything beyond that, I pace off, out to 75 yards (longest site line from my patio). My pacing is usually within 1 yard at 20, so my 75 yards may be anywhere from about 70-80 yds. Pellet drop works out about right, tho, at 7", sighted in at 20yds.
At 10 yards, I group sub-dime. At 20yds, sub inch. Pop can off-hand at up to 55yds. Pop can off rest out to 75yds. Won't win no trophies, but wins dinner!
J
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I'm with you and have been guilty of over estimating my distance before. Just last month I took a squirrel near dark at what I estimated to be 30 yards. Well it probably was 30 yards if you count the distance to the tree plus the distance up the tree to my target. I used to be excellent at guestimating these distances when I played golf and shot a compound bow. But apparently I'm losing my touch. Only after measuring off 40 yards last weekend did I realise my knack had been lost.
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My 10 yd. indoor range is measured. All the other shooting I do is in my yard, kinda into my neighbors yards too........guesstimated ranges 15-40 yds, elevations vary according to the tree the avian vermin are in.
But yes Dan, you are a lousy shot, quit typing so much and do more shooting! :)
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Ok, ok, I get the point, it is just me that can't shoot, everyone is honest about their distances....good grief Charlie Brown!
I DID do some shooting today and something odd happened. I had not sighted in any of my guns since a big scope swap a week ago, so I took my B26, my Career 707 .177, and my Tau-200 out to my rather LARGE 13 yard range. After 3-4 shots I was pulling a pretty decent bull with my Career. Career had the power turned down to where it would just shoot, that's as much power as I need at 13 yards. The Career has one of those Walmart Centerpoint 4x16x40AO scopes riding on it, and I was getting good bulls, but nothing to write home about...maybe a nickle? So then the B26, I have never been a great springer shot with anything except a borrowed HW77K that I had to give back to its owner. My groups with the HW77 were very good, and it had open sights. So the B26 sporter, it has a Leapers 3x12x44 sidewheel AO compact scope with 30mm tube on it. Good scope, good gun, tuned, smooth, nice, my groups were all over the place!! I mean, I was barely hitting the 4" square target at first, then started getting into the groove, got it sighted in and maybe pulled quarter sized groups with it. So up next, the Tau-200, with optional rear diopeter sight and hooded front....if the group I shot was any over 1/8" ctc it was .126", remarkable little gun. So my question is, is the Tau so accurate, or am I better without a scope? I also wear glasses, bi-focals, but haven't worn them in a couple months(need new prescription), I can hardly see a pellet hole at 13 yards, but I can hit it over and over. Obviously the kick of the B26 isn't something I admire, and the Career is a big burly gun, but still. I dunno, maybe I will try again tomorrow, "Bark Bark" the neighbors dog was running around on the other side of the fence, so I gave up for the day...although me and Bark Bark have come to an agreement where I wont shoot him if he doesn't bark...good dog. Woof!
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used a tape measure to give ballpark distances. john
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Could be, pal, I think Vince says the same thing, that he shoots better with opens than with a scope. Jury's still out regarding my vision. I've reached the point where I need drug store cheaters to read, but I'm otherwise fine. That said, I've noticed some difficulty focusing through a scope, and I'm afraid it's not the scope :-(! Hang in there, pal, it's all down hill from here ;-)! Later.
Dave
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LOL Dave... Even the drug store cheaters could never help me..:) I tried all of em and still could not see..:) Finally about 8 years ago I had two ripe cataracts and had the surgery which actually improved my vision to the point that I could read street signs while driving with out glasses..:) But I do wear them and they are like Dano's. Bifocals..:)
Gene
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Then I got curious about how good my range estimations were...well, let's just say I use a 300' surveyors tape measure now. An antique my Dad has, but still functional, and much better than my "guestimations."
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Those old school surveyor chains are amazingly accurate when used in conjuction with the correction tables.:emoticon:
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Dano, where is TX do you live. I am looking for another air gunner to shoot with. At a true 50yds I am lucky to get a 3" grouping with 5 shots. I have decided that if I can hit a coke can somewhere close to the middle of it at 50yds. I am doing good.
I have access to 50 ac. just north of Denton, Several thousand in west Texas. Once in a while it is fun to go out and do some night hunting. Get everything from rattlers, skunks, rabbit and raccoon. During the day we go to one of the tanks and look for turtles. What a sound when you nail one.
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Paintballs on golf tees are in trouble when I get the FWB 300 out. Not so much so with glass, since it looks like I'm surfing whilst me eye is attached to a telescope . . . :o
unlessit's rested ona bipod of course, as that eliminates that 'ocean' effect of the telescope:p
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I actually do measure any kill shots I take. I have the time and always have had the inclination so me and the oldest get out the measuring rope (marked in 5 yd increments) and check out each shot.
I have already measured pretty much every single landmark within 60 yards of my porch. It really helps when I'm shooting at either targets or critters because I already have a good idea of how far away they are, where ever they are.
Then again, I also measure ALL my pellets and put them in fishing lure containers by .1grain separations.....
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I agree, I can shoot real well with a match sight. I completey understand the 'ocean' effect, I watch that little bullseye float along like it's surfing a wave. If I turn the mag down to about 4x it helps, but with open sights it isn't there at all. I almost shoot by intuition through open sights, whereas scoped guns make me a little more tense and 'aware' of my technique, not as fluid.
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I have some nice 1x glass that still "float" more thanaperture or blade. I've looked at somelight wavelength formulae and realized I don't know enough about the composition of that glass to determine compression values.
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Straight reflex systems seem to"float" slightlyless than red dots or single power scopes, butwhen thesurface finishquality isn't high enough, thendistortions in the glassitself create a less than repeatable optical path to the eye.
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Something else interesting about glass optics is the "depth of field" generated through the eye lens by the ocular aperture, which could cause the eye lens to "force focus" on an optical plane not aligned with the reticule distance. I have to be aware of my reticule focus to try to avoid that DOF parallax complication.
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Decades of precision high grade optics have probably spoiled me some also, since Wild and Leica have some of the highest grade Swiss glass made inside ofthier instruments.
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Haha, J, I am completely lost when it comes to "Optical Compression" and "Rocket Science"...., but you are probably right, or I should say if I had any clue what you were talking about you'd still sound much smarter than me:):):):):):)
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Like what ice is, only they're specializedsilicates that melt at higher temperatures. When you look at something in water, through the waters surface, the lightwaves "bend" from movingat a different speed.
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Glass does the same thing, so the curves ground into the surface "adjust"how much the light bends. Compression is the distortion caused at the edges or surfaceof the curves that generates "canceling" interferance that reduces the transmission value.
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Most rifle scope transmission values arelow 90%, and that difference is something that the lens inside of the eye may attempt to correct for. Especially tough on the eyewhen the focal distanceto the reticule is different than tothe target object. It can give ya a headache pretty quick too,if your eye lens rapidly tries to focusto both distances at the same time.
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Did you know that in older buildings the thickness of the glass is thicker at the bottom of the pane compared to the top? Glass flows just like water, it is however very viscous at most normal temperatures.
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Thicker at the placegravity makes itflow to, so makes me think you'd want to store your scopes cold and turn them every so often . . . (http://www.airgunhome.com/agforum/images/smiles/lmao.gif)
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3n00n - 2/23/2008 9:09 PM
Thicker at the place gravity makes it flow to, so makes me think you'd want to store your scopes cold and turn them every so often . . . (http://www.airgunhome.com/agforum/images/smiles/lmao.gif)
Why are you laughing, I thought everybody woke up every 2 hours to rotate their scopes....don't you? I do it with my springers too, to keep the lube evenly distributed:)
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So, since I haveall glass nowplaced inthe large walk in freezer inside ofthe anti-gravity chamber, it takes me a little while to put on the magnetic boots andthermal suit.
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Can't be to careful, ya know . . . :o