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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Airgun Gate => : Traolach July 09, 2008, 01:43:17 AM

: New RWS Mount
: Traolach July 09, 2008, 01:43:17 AM

I just bought a RWS 48 demo combo from Glen at Umarex.  He said that he would substitute a new scope mount that just came out for the old mounts.  He said that the new mount has been in development for about a year and that it would correct both barrel droop and scope crawl.  At the same time, Leapers advertises two new mounts for RWS guns that should be available mid July?  Are these the same mounts and does anyone have any advice on them?  Terry

: RE: New RWS Mount
: TexasShooter72 July 09, 2008, 02:51:32 AM

I just emailed Paul at Pyramyd about that same mount.  He hasn't gotten back to me yet...   I'll letcha know what he says.  I just bought a 350 Mag and am VERY interested in that new scope rail.  Wouldn't it be nice!

: RE: New RWS Mount
: mtipton July 09, 2008, 03:10:06 AM

Here is most of the info on the RWS mount:

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2008/07/diana-scope-base-part-2-testing.html

Mike T.

: RE: New RWS Mount
: TexasShooter72 July 09, 2008, 03:44:46 AM

Very intriguing indeed!  I read both pieces on the new mount and it does appear promising.  I've gotta see what Paul gets back to me with.  Maybe we can put together a group purchase...      just a thought.

: RE: New RWS Mount
: Rolls-Royce July 09, 2008, 04:30:57 AM

Traolach - 7/9/2008  6:43 AM

I just bought a RWS 48 demo combo from Glen at Umarex.  He said that he would substitute a new scope mount that just came out for the old mounts.  He said that the new mount has been in development for about a year and that it would correct both barrel droop and scope crawl.  At the same time, Leapers advertises two new mounts for RWS guns that should be available mid July?  Are these the same mounts and does anyone have any advice on them?  Terry

My expectation is that the new Umarex/RWS mount will be something similar to the BKL one-piece drooper mounts or the Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable. The Leapers items at Pyramyd are bases only, which means one still has to have Weaver or Picatinny rings on hand to use them.  It's still possible that Umarex will be selling a rebadged Leapers base with rings included, though.

: RE: New RWS Mount
: Traolach July 10, 2008, 07:50:07 AM

Well, my RWS 48 arrived today and along with it the new RWS mount.  It is a one piece mount with dual recoil pins and the package say that it has .025" elevation built into mount to overcome barrel deflection in RWS airrifles.  It doesn't look like either the new Leapers mount (I wish it did) or the BKL mount.  I'll let you know later how it works - first I'm going to use the iron sights for a while just to get a feel for the gun.

: RE: New RWS Mount
: Rolls-Royce July 10, 2008, 11:19:54 AM

Traolach - 7/10/2008  12:50 PM

Well, my RWS 48 arrived today and along with it the new RWS mount.  It is a one piece mount with dual recoil pins and the package say that it has .025" elevation built into mount to overcome barrel deflection in RWS airrifles.  It doesn't look like either the new Leapers mount (I wish it did) or the BKL mount.  I'll let you know later how it works - first I'm going to use the iron sights for a while just to get a feel for the gun.

I thought it would probably be a one-piece mount, since they are pretty much the easiest to set up. With that in mind, a non-adjustable (fixed droop compensation) mount like what they sent you makes sense. If the droop compensation is sufficient, and the price is right, it might be a good alternative to the BKL and Sportsmatch/Beeman mounts. Glenn didn't happen to quote a price for the new mount, did he?

: RE: New RWS Mount
: Traolach July 10, 2008, 11:51:04 AM

No, sorry but he didn't.  However, the two Leapers mounts for breakbarrel and fixed barrel are only $18 at Pyramidair.  Of course then you have to get picatinny rings which are not that expensive and superior in hold.  If this mount doesn't  work, I'll be ordering the leapers mount.

: Re: New RWS Mount
: Crimson Sky July 10, 2008, 10:27:58 PM

I'm putting up a mini-review of the new Leapers mount (Branded 'UTG") very soon that will cover what it's all about. I'm just waiting on a couple of pairs of Weaver rings. The mount fits like a glove, and unlike the BKL mounts, it has that 'shock sholder' that eliminates scope movement 100%.  

ZenMatt, I didn't recieve an email from you..maybe it got lost in the void--??

-Paul
Airgun Reporter

: Re: New RWS Mount
: TexasShooter72 July 11, 2008, 02:35:36 AM

Okay, so Glenn at Umarex just emailed me back and I've cut and pasted his response:

"The new RWS Lock Down just arrived in the warehouse and is available to ship. The cost is $68.25 + S&H $7.95"

I think it's a little steep myself...  but if it werks...

Hey Paul, did you write me something that I didn't respond to?  I do apologize.  What was the inquiry?

Matt

: RE: New RWS Mount
: Crimson Sky July 11, 2008, 02:44:46 AM

ZenMatt - 7/9/2008 10:51 AM I just emailed Paul at Pyramyd about that same mount.

My bad, you must have meant another Paul :)

: Re: New RWS Mount
: Rolls-Royce July 11, 2008, 04:36:15 AM

You're right, Matt, it is steep, but it's in line with list prices for the BKL and Sportsmatch/Beeman one-piece units that Diana owners like me have had to rely on in the past. If it works as advertised, it'll be a worthy alternative to them. I'm wondering what the "street" price will settle out to be once the online vendors start selling them.

I have high hopes for the Leapers mount, but I'm not able to use one myself. I put one on order while I was waiting for delivery of my NOS Model 46 from Glenn at Umarex. Unfortunately, I found out after receiving the Model 46 that the Leapers piece won't work with it. Its scope rail runs all the way forward to the rear of the flip-up loading port. The "shock shoulder/stop" on the Leapers mount would've been over the rear of the port, rendering the gun unloadable-a true single-shot, as it were! Plus any scope mounted this way would have to be a long-eye-relief model like a pistol scope. So, I canceled my order.  

Hey, Paul, love those video reviews! I'm looking forward to your mini-review of the new Leapers base. Will it be going on your 34?

: RE: New RWS Mount
: Traolach July 11, 2008, 05:20:21 AM

Installed it on my RWS 48.  Easy installation.  Had to remove the screw from atop the gun rail.  Also instructions say to use punch to make sure stop pins (which are hollow and thin) are seated in holes.  Well there is little if any movement to the pins.  So in my opinion, the only thing holding it to the gun is just the clamping force of the one piece mount with 4 screws.  Now as to the droop correction, the scope I received was used and was set very very high to evidently compensate for the droop.  I had to turn the vertical WAY down to even get it on paper.  But once sighted in, it is great.  Plenty of spare vertical both ways.

But we will have to see it it does hold tight.  For the price, I would rather have the Leapers mount

: Re: New RWS Mount
: TexasShooter72 July 11, 2008, 05:41:31 AM

I think Paul's on the right track!  He emailed me back with the suggestion of using the Leapers Compensator Mount with the 4 screw Weaver Rings.  I'm still gonna do a little research before I hit the button.  Got a few more parties I wanna consult.

Matt

: Re: New RWS Mount
: Crimson Sky July 11, 2008, 07:48:18 AM

Another cool thing about the Leapers mount, there is a slot on the back of it so you don't have to remove that useless little screw on the Diana rail--it fits right over it and hides it.

: RE: New RWS Mount
: rj conklin July 11, 2008, 12:26:30 PM

the pin stops on the rws scope rails are 2mm deep. not enough to keep the mount pins (espically with a heavy scope) from over riding and elongating the hole with a slope. thus ruining the stop hole. i purchased a 7/64 carbide end mill. i attached the mill to a drill and with a depth gague deepened the hole 2mm more for a total of 4mm. this is sufficent to stop pin over ride and 4mm is a safe depth as not to go all the way through the mount into the receiver. go slow and measure often.

: Re: New RWS Mount
: TexasShooter72 July 12, 2008, 03:00:13 AM

I'm thinking Paul(CrimsonSky) is right on this one.  I've been talking with the other Paul at PyramydAir about getting this exact set-up.  Soon as I get paid it'll be on its way.

: Re: New RWS Mount
: palonej July 12, 2008, 07:19:35 AM

I know I'm a Gamo freak and all, but doesn't this sound like something the German's should be working on?? From what little I know that scope mount has been a problem for a loooong *&%^(&* time, no?? I'm not sure I want to spend $500 on a gun and start drilling the thing!!

: Re: New RWS Mount
: rj conklin July 12, 2008, 12:10:48 PM

yea, you are right but the germans think there is nothing wrong with their scope rails. they are stubborn and wrong. in addition to end milling the scope rail to 4mm i also put 3 spot welds where the screws are. i discovered movement from side to side of the scope rail when the scope and mount are attached. like a loose tooth, over time , it got more pronounced. this happened on both of my rws 54's.

: Re: New RWS Mount
: Crimson Sky July 12, 2008, 03:19:25 PM

The reason why Diana/RWS does not see the scope rail as a problem, is because the rifles for the European market do not have the same power as the US market. (this was told to me by another but it makes perfect sense) The stop pin and rail work fine for them. Ignorant of their biggest market?...yes... Get the new Leaper's mount and your worries are over. I mounted the new rail on my model 34 and it was perfect.

: In A Perfect World,,
: Timmyj1959@yahoo.com July 12, 2008, 04:01:50 PM

The croshairs of the chosen scope would look right down the center of the barrel??? Am I the only one that tries to make every effort to mount scopes as low as posible?? Yes, Diana guns have "solid mount" issues as we all know. Of course I will get "Jumped On" for this,,The REAL problem is the Diana Base itself,, Slight modifications to it from the factory would eliminate all the "Back Yard" mounting & "Band Aid" Mounts becoming available now. Sorry,, I just had to say it. My 4 Diana guns that I own now,(MANY in the past) all are doing well with my own "Back Yard" mounts,, (I would not recomend nor condone my methods to others). Lower is better,, I personally dont want my scope mounted high atop a mount that is unreasonably high, just so it wont "move". Untill Diana GETS THE HINT,, GEEZZEEE,, The new mounts becoming available are probly the way to go for those that want a SOLID scope mount. Still,, I think,, lower is better?? Tim.

: Trajectory 'stretches' with a higher LOS . . .
: 3n00n July 12, 2008, 04:20:42 PM

The 52 FT with the Optisan MTC has a POI within 1/2" of LOS {oops~ from 11 yards}out to 55 yards.

LOS above the muzzle is 2-5/8" andshoots very smooth withJSB 8.4 @ aconsistant930fps measured with an F1 at 4' from the brake.

: Re: New RWS Mount
: Crimson Sky July 12, 2008, 05:19:01 PM

After mounting the Leaper's compensator rail, I optically centered my scope. With just a few adjustment clicks on the turrets, I got these results at a bench rest :

http://www.airgunreporter.com/video/scope-rail-1.html

I'd say the new rail was right on the money ;)

: Have you've tried other distances?
: 3n00n July 12, 2008, 05:55:53 PM

On my setups, I typicallycheck from 10m to 60m {or more}in 10m increments for windage and elevation verification. Just wonderingif you'd tested that already.

: Re: New RWS Mount
: palonej July 13, 2008, 06:33:19 AM

I'll tell you RJ, you should take some pics and patent that system!!! That thing is not going anywhere bro!!!! This is the ONLY reason I never purchased an RWS. I have 4 Gamos, and a new one getting a Tuna treatment as we speak!!! My sons and I are long shot freaks. We all have large scopes on the heavy side. With the right one piece mount and a Turbo Tune, we've NEVER had any creep at all. I have friends, not half as capable as you, try band aid fixes time and time again on their German Girls. They usually snap that little screw in the back, or worse, ya know?? I have a small air conditioning business, and I'm real handy, but I just can't bring myself to mess with my guns. I don't have the tools or knowledge. I swear by the Tuna. You definitely impressed me with that fix tho bro!!!
Joe

: Re: New RWS Mount
: rj conklin July 13, 2008, 08:24:52 AM

well joe, its all labor except for the $16.00 end mill i purchased. i had the spot welding done at a shop locally for $10.00 a gun. the most important thing  is to remove all oil and grease around and under the scope rail. this avoids discoloration of the blueing. use degreasers, alcohol and an old tooth brush. 4x32 scopes weighed 8 to 11 oz, today many are over 20 oz. they act like a dent puller on your reciever and loosen up. cosmedically it looks ok. where the phillips screws were there is a little melted swirl. a touch of birchwood casey blueing with a q-tip on the 3 welds, it looks factory.

: Re: New RWS Mount
: palonej July 13, 2008, 10:45:29 AM

Awesome idea bro!! Everyone else is spending hundreds for new mounts that might work. Great thinking!! I'm going to see my auto mech and check out his mig welder very carefully!!! Thanks for the idea!!
Joe

: Re: New RWS Mount
: rj conklin July 14, 2008, 12:34:08 AM

joe, you don't to mig or tig weld. it will look ugly and ruin the blueing. spot welding is the way to go. it will look like a factory job.

: Re: New RWS Mount
: palonej July 14, 2008, 05:08:56 AM

RJ, really appreciate the info. Again, I have an A/C business and only braize and solder, only torches. I still have to go to my auto mech!!!!! Thanks so much bro!! Big help!
Joe

: Re: New RWS Mount
: Progun July 16, 2008, 04:48:41 AM

Paul, I'm envious even though the Bible says I shouldn't be. I know you get some perks because of your association with PA but if you can get his mount and already have it set up on your 34 why can't I get one too? Oh I have it on back order alright but the delivery date keeps getting pushed back.Impatiance is not a virtue I know, but it's hard to wait for something that has been advertised for so long that is still not available to the paying customers. If you would like to pull some strings and find a couple of extras laying around and ship them to me I would gladly do a review and tout the benefits that I know this mount will provide. I think I could sell a few of them for you and PA if I could just get my hands on a couple.I don't even mind paying for them.How about it Air gun Bud?We could keep it our little secret ya' know.

: Re: New RWS Mount
: tjk July 16, 2008, 11:40:59 PM

RJ, what typ of stick would you recomend. 6010, 7018,..3/32" or 1/8".....?? Ever thought of using JB- Weld? I've got a 34 on the way with the 'new' mount on B/O. I doubt I'll ever spot weld anything to it, but you never know!!!!! tjk

: Re: New RWS Mount
: rj conklin July 17, 2008, 12:44:33 AM

jb weld, an epoxy resin is inappropiate for this fix. the rws 54 must be dissambled down to the reciever and barrel. the material used to spot weld are the three mounting screws on the rail.