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I have to past this on. I know it may send the Obamanation into an up roar but I don't give a s***. I'm 37 years old and if they would let me go back I'd pack my stuff kiss my kids and jump on the next flight out. You know it's not tragic to die for what's right. This guy hits the nail on the head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8)
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That was great Jason, Thanks for posting...it reminds me of something we used to say when I got back from Viet Nam..."If you weren't there then shut the %@*& up".
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I would have to say I agree with you there David!!!(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif)
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GREAT POST Jason,
It brought memories and tears to my eyes, and when he walked away......well !
I have seen many disabled Vietnam veterans, and while there is worse than amputations, I can't imagine it. I havemeet, and known,triple amputees, and even cried with them, everyone of those that I had meet, committed suicide shortly after there release !
No matter what happened to me, over their, I am truly thankful that I returned whole, and my injuries healed, at least on my body ! The memories of those left behind, and those wounded worse than I, will remain in my heart forever. I don't ever want to forget my brave friends and comrades I had while I was there, they were the best and the bravest men, I will ever know !
All Gave Some, Some Gave ALL, and Some Gave ALL TOO MUCH !
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"it reminds me of something we used to say when I got back from Viet Nam..."If you weren't there then shut the %@*& up"."
I am also a vet of that time and believe you are wrong. Who do you think paid for us being there? The American Taxpayers. Who do you think ordered that wasted war and then failed to support our guys by giving them everything needed to do the job? The politicians, starting with Eisenhower.
If you did not register and vote during that time, in country or not, my view is that is the only qualifier for keeping silent. No vote, no right to complain. Even grunts could register & vote.
Our "leadership" has since admitted we should not have been there and were not given the means to win.
We are repeating the stupidity now.
I support the military as they do their job. I support Bush as an International War Criminal and I will gladly donate to his prosecution fund. He is getting our kids killed for no good reason in a country we have no real interest in. A country that was and is no threat to the US.
Our military do what is ordered and gets *_*_*_*_*_*ed on. Our 'leaders' do whatever they want and walk away with cushy retirement packages. How many of their kids are in Iraq or were in Desert Storm or VietNam? Not many. If their kids were first to go we would seldom venture past Illinois.
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I've never been represented in the US, because the constitution was hollowed out and gutted before the majority of us were evenborn.
In 1913 our souls were sold to the banking cartels under the ruse of the Fed Reserve, and the deadly mayhem has been for the warprofits to those bloated power brokers ever since.
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Checkfor your self, I'veresearched and found. . .
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http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10381&mid=78907#M78907 (http://thread-view.asp?tid=10381&mid=78907#M78907)
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http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10449&mid=78976#M78976 (http://"thread-view.asp?tid=10449&mid=78976#M78976)
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http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10458&mid=78969#M78969 (http://"thread-view.asp?tid=10458&mid=78969#M78969)
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http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=9012&mid=66331#M66331 (http://"thread-view.asp?tid=9012&mid=66331#M66331)
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You'd figure simple stuff would make sense to every citizen, but obviously not . . .(http://../images/emoticons/frown.gif)
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Mahonri; Should you find that 'prosecution fund' please let me know, I'll be glad to participate. Can Pelosi be charged with 'aiding and abetting? A citizen can not lie to a Federal Officer, but a Leader can lie to the American people and get away with it. Virtue should run both up and down the chain of command. jeep98
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3n00n; Would 'Zeitgeist-The Movie' be available thru any source other than online? It is beyond my capabilities with this primitive webtv system I have. --- I know you will understand when I say 'Itchey ears only want to hear what they want to hear'. jeep98
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http://zeitgeistmovie.com/dvdorder.htm (http://zeitgeistmovie.com/dvdorder.htm)
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Transcript: part 1 -http://zeitgeistmovie.com/transcript.htm (http://"http://zeitgeistmovie.com/transcript.htm)
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YouTube links: Intro- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzciu8HvfwA (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzciu8HvfwA)
Part1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeZB2EsPqGE (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeZB2EsPqGE)
Part2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmzailhVl-U (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmzailhVl-U)
Part3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6UdQxt7b24 (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6UdQxt7b24)
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War Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5pz1ZW59Ys (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5pz1ZW59Ys)
Part 2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBcA6oXoTvU (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBcA6oXoTvU)
Part 3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXQxa6rEo7g (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXQxa6rEo7g)
Part 4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=678VJ2CXyJU (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=678VJ2CXyJU)
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Fed Reserve Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLCob3Jahxk (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLCob3Jahxk)
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XiYy2L1NFg (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XiYy2L1NFg)
Part 3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb0lRIOU4Ak (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb0lRIOU4Ak)
Part 4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb0aPAj_YJk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb0aPAj_YJk)
Part 5http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JVdf6enx38 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JVdf6enx38)
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I knew this would generate heat and it is a perfect post to draw out how we all have our own beliefs on how the government is run. Provided someone decides to take on the government and wants to try Bush for war crimes lets not forget to try all of Congress that approved the war as well. If that were to prevail Obama would be President because he is the only one that wasn't around in 2001. War is ugly and it only proves who lasted longer. I will never be stopped because it generates money for wealty which to give J his props is the highend bankers. No matter what we believe no matter who we vote for we are screwed. Everyone of us have our own personal agenda some just have the power to execute it.
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By your logic, then, every member of Congress who voted to go to war and who voted to continue to fund the war is an International War Criminal. You may be a veteran of the Vietnam war, but you certainly have very strange ideas about war crimes. Maybe that hero, John Kerry can straighten you out. Seems to me that you just harbor an irrational hate Bush 43 to the point you see only your own "truth".
And by the way, perhaps it was Eisenhower who first sent some troops to Southeast Asia, but it was JFK and LBJ who definitely escalated the war and screwed things up. Remember the "credibility gap"? What ever else you think about Richard Nixon, he at least ended the draft and got us our of a war America could not win, particularly when it was being fought by politicians with some damned screwy rules of engagement. Do you think Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson were International War Criminals as well? How about Clinton, lobbing a couple of Cruise missiles in on an aspirin factory on the eve of his testimony about Monica Lewinski? Was that an International War Crime, too, or just poor judgement?
So, blame America first, right? 9/11 was just a misunderstanding, Sadam wasn't that bad. The sarin and mustard gas used on the Kurds was just an aberration. Things were better when the Moslems were just killing each other. The skud missiles couldn't hit us, anyway. The Iranians are probably only going to use their nuclear capabilities to generate power. The previous attempts to blow up the twin towers, the USS Cole, the US Embassies in several countries, and all the international acts of terrorism were just flukes. And America has no real national interest in the Persian Gulf region and the free flow of oil at market prices anyway, right?
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I'm amazed that service members continue to support McCain, since he voted against additional troop funding forthe years 2003-2007--just like Bush. I wonder if that guy ever spent any time in a V.A. hospital. The one I've been in is inadequately staffed and stocked-thanks to a lack of funding. I wonder if he knows that McCain refused to meet with the Iraq vets who are now opposing the war.
I support every American soldier- everyplace on this planet- but I cannot support a government who just refuses to take care of it's own people-especially it's soldiers. Hell, That seems criminal in itself.
This is a war for profit. It's becoming increasingly obvious. A lot of our troops have recognized it, as well.
We don't go to war to protect freedom and democracy any longer. We go to war for power, resources, control, and the dollar.It's a good thing that China isn't the worlds major oil supplier.
The entire world has watched this country change.
We haven't been watching as the constitution has been slowly rewritten; words redefined, and amendments attached. Our new policy is--If it isn't constitutional--change the constitution and make it so.
Yes, Bush is a criminal. So were many before him.
It is an interesting time to be alive.
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George Bush is NOT a criminal.
Your understanding of the reasons behind war is apparently as vapid as your other comments.
We have gone to war for many reasons. In general, we initiated few large conflicts. Even Vietnam began as an uprising of Communists against the French colonialists. Kennedy and Johnson escalated our involvement, and Johnson directed the losing strategy. The Constitution is vague regarding war powers, but certainly gives the Commander in Chief authority to the President.
I'd say you are repeating the diatribe of the Democrats who want power, and want to change the constitution so that the Federal government is no longer responsible for defense, but constitutionally (or perhaps unconstitutionally) responsible for global warming and the feeding, education, and housing of every citizen. I think you need to read the constitution, sir.
I am a Republican, and believe strongly that the Federal government should be smaller, should have less responsibility for "taking care of its people". The belief in entitlement fostered by Democrats is dangerous. Regarding VA hospitals, well the ones I've been in aren't too bad. They take of veterans of all ages for anything they need, something like the big County hospitals that offer free care. So far as I can see, veterans receive pensions, disability payments, and medical care at high standards, and it is certainly not Republicans who stand in the way of improvement. Do you expect improvements if Barack Hussein Obama gains power? Good luck on that one. He will cut military spending to the bone.
I support a very strong, well equipped, and ready armed force - as does the US Constitution - and I support its use in preemptory fashion. History will tell us whether we did the right thing, but if Democrat "leadership" like Jimmy Carter is what you want, you had better be prepared to do more that rant and call out labels before the election, because I'll be one of many doing what I can to win this election, and to keep control out of the hands of the demagogs.
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http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1843.htm
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GREAT POST JASON.
Thanks for sharing with us.
Gene
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Restore liberty and freedom! No more criminal 'population control (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFM7VZF71tw&NR=1)' or 'thought police (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFhbSolKWP0)' infringements bycorraling (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0601-01.htm) the sheeple into internment (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita) facilities.
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Government is supposed to serve the citizens, not 'control ' them!
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I understand J, but not all Sheeple are honest and law abiding..:) So what should we do with them? I believe in the Government serving the people and not controlling them.
Gene
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Gene_SC - 9/10/2008 5:50 PM
I understand J, but not all Sheeple are honest and law abiding..:) So what should we do with them? I believe in the Government serving the people and not controlling them.
GenePeople need not becontrolled. They understand how to treat others in such a way, that they do all possible to not infringe on others rights.
The problem with public learning is that'honesty' factors have been removed from the governments publictraining centers. Responsibility as well asacceptance of consequence has become a foriegn concept to the 'entitled' sheeple, although -they'reeasily interredor controlled, just as those power brokerswith the fleecing shears desire . . .
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TCups; You keep crawling on my back so try to understand ONE thing. Some time back I swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Yes, most of the idiots you mention have violated that Constitution, and since the American People are not calling for the Impeachment of Mr. Bush, I can only hope that the International Courts try him. Mr. Bush only got a Congressional Resolution to carry out his Invasion with lying to do so. The Constitution of the US says nothing about a resolution. I would suggest the American people read the Constitution of the United States or have it interpreted to them so they can understand how it has been abused. All laws not meeting Constitutional authority are supposed to be null and void. Should you want to keep jumping me, please do so from a Constitutional basis, do not use the Democrat/Republican crap. Respectfully, jeep98
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Jerrycup. You close by saying; I'll be one of many doing what I can to win this election, and to keep control out of the hands of the demagogs.----My 1828 Websters definition of : Dem'agogue, 1. A leader of the people; an orator who pleases the populace and influences them to adhere to him. 2.Any leader of the populace; any factious man who has great influence with the great body of people in a city or community. Just thought you might like to know. Jeep98
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Hey,
I'm sure Jerry meant it in the sense of common modern usage. American Heritage Dictionary: A leader who obtains power by means of impassioned appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the populace.
But you knew that, didn't you? :)
Oh, and by the way, "factious: Of, relating to, produced by, or characterized by internal dissension. Given to or promoting internal dissension. See Synonym insubordinate."
Insubordinate? In this case I think "subversive" might fit the bill a little better.
Seeya!
Parks
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Thanks, an 1828 definition is interesting. Current meaning is "a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular passions and prejudices".
Think Huey Long, or Bob LaFollette. A chicken in every pot. Free medical care for all. Tax the rich, care for the poor. Redistribution of wealth. The basis of most Democrat campaigns in the past century or so.
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I’m always amazed at how some can share political opinions with so much passion and well-expressed rhetoric on this forum; yet, at the end of the day discuss a common interest (airguns) with civility. I enjoy reading these posts but rarely partake in them.
Jason, like you, I would take up arms and defend this country to my last breath. Unfortunately, at 65 I am way past the cutoff age to enlist. However, put me in a hide with a good sniper rifle and I’m sure that I could create some havoc on the bad guys.
There is no greater country on earth!
God Bless America
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Hi Jerrycup.
-sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not a democrat...or a republican. I'm an independent voter. I'm an American. I'm an ex paratrooper(yes, for this country).
I've stated in other threads that the candidate that I would have liked to vote for will not be in this upcoming election.
I don't believe that my "vapid" comments represent my understanding of this war, or any other. I don't believe that you are able to do so, either.
Your third paragraph is entirely false in reference to my beliefs and desires.
I'm glad that you had a good experience with the VA. Every vet should be so fortunate.
If you truly believe that Bush is not a criminal, and has done nothing illegal-even in the face of so much evidence; then there is nothing I can say. Time will tell.
Thanks for sharing your condescending comments, and for your continued support of the current fascist regime.
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It would require total descent to get to your level of discussion, and I won't. Your hot words are false and meaningless.
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Sorry, Raymond.
It wasn't your back side or any part of you, personally, I meant to climb on, Raymond. We just apparently have a very different idea of what constitutes criminal activity. But whatever else, I am at least thankful that on this 7th anniversary of 9/11 that there hasn't been a repeat of a major terrorist event in the USA. In the days after the last attack, I believe most Americans would have doubted this outcome possible. And like you, I find neither of the candidates would have been my first choice. Irrespective of that, thank you sir, and for every American service man and woman for your service to a country I am sure we both love.
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Your welcome Gene. I thought it said a lot and felt it needed to be shared. I wasn't expecting 100 % acceptance and see it's running wild now hehehe. We all have different opinions but I believe in what this vet is saying.
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The Veteran's name is Joe Cook. As he walks away, I hope that everyone saw that he is missing one leg, below the knee. He has not only served his country, he has sacrificed greatly. God bless him and every American service man and woman for their service and sacrifice, irrespective of their political opinions.
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Hi again.
There is no need to descend, Jerrycup--just continue to talk down to me. It's worked out so far.
Which words did you deem "hot"? I must assume that it was the "fascist regime" part. Unfortunately, that's not just a phrase that I use in; or to anger. Grab that little word of the day calendar that you pulled "vapid" from, and see if the word "fascist" is listed.
Meaningless? Yes. False? No.
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Ya Tom I noticed but it did not have to be a leg that he left behind. Those of us who believe in fighting for freedom sacrafice ourselves. Some of us return to help others recover and some of us are left in memory. So everyone in the US can enjoy there freedom.
Gene
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Well said Gene. As you know, it was only the luck of the draw that kept me out of the military service in Vietnam. Those of our age not only served and sacrificed, but in many (most?) cases did so after being drafted, not after volunteering their service -- not that that makes the service or sacrifice of either any less meaningful. I count a few friends that didn't make it back from Vietnam, and more who came back forever changed by the experience. Thank you, sir.
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see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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Jerrycup; I think I am starting to understand. It (demagogue) clears up why 'Compassionate Conservatism' , 'Collateral Damage' and other words are used to cover the facts. And yet, we still do not have the definition of what "is' is. Again respectfully, jeep98
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The problem isthat, the Godwin's law concept states "It does not apply to discussions directly addressing genocide, propaganda, or other mainstays of the Nazi regime."
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In this case 'propaganda' and 'smoke & mirrors' government controls are a mainstay of the Gestapo, Third Reich, as well as the media / governmentsheeple control in the US, which is applicable to the discussion.
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Fascism?http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&ei=kRCuSNXvAoyqiwLzk_W4BA&q=freedom+to+fascism&hl=en (http://"http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&ei=kRCuSNXvAoyqiwLzk_W4BA&q=freedom+to+fascism&hl=en)
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Propaganda? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFhbSolKWP0 (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFhbSolKWP0)
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Genocide? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFM7VZF71tw&NR=1 (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFM7VZF71tw&NR=1)
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This is the US, so why are we being lied to?
EnergyCrisis?http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147&hl=en (http://"http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147&hl=en)
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I have no problem supportingUS Troops, but find it appalling thatthey are dying in a 'for profit' scamcreated byinternational bankers that own the Federal Reserve!
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Today is the first time i have seen that video, and it truly reflects the mindset of the troops have been on the ground in Iraq, i can say that because i was there twice. Iraq is becoming free-er(?) by every passing day.
I dont care or know if Bush broke laws or not to go there, the "Iraq War" or--> LIBERATION has made a tremendous difference for the better for the people of Iraq. If you have differing opinions you must be some kind of armchair warrior eating up the leftist internet propaganda.
I was there, i talked to people who were in the invasion, and i have spoken with countless REAL Iraqi people. They *_*_*_*_*_*ing love Bush and the USMC. They dont like the Army though, lol.(<--no offense to anyone BTW)
Those who say they will not vote for the lesser of two evils have a naive and socially retarded mindset. Somebody has got to win, and its not gonna be some random third party savior.
But hey, i dont think John McCain is evil, so im in the clear :) Those who make statements about "the truth in Iraq" need to observe the rule which has already been mentioned here: "if you aint been there STFU"
BTW, with all this good coming out of Iraq, if i get cheaper gas as a side benefit, woohoo no harm no foul.
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Well, . . .
In general, there is no ambiguity in my conservatism, and political views. But I never think that propaganda arises on only one side of any political agenda, and I would never demand those arguing an opposing viewpoint "shut up" (so long as it is the viewpoint they are arguing, and not some invective diatribe of name calling, insults and character assassination they are mindlessly spewing). The former is naive and the latter is censorship.
I feel sure that Iraq's citizens are better off with Sadam gone, and sure that our military service men and women are serving honorably, God bless them. I feel pretty sure that fighting terrorists, and countries that sponsor terrorism is better done on their home soil than ours and with casualties in our trained military rather than our private citizens (though either are a awful price to have to pay), and pretty sure that doing so has reduced the probability of more attacks on US soil. But I am far from certain, no, doubtful, that the outcome of the war in Iraq will ultimately have much to do with the price of a barrel of crude oil, much less the price of gasoline I pay at the pump.
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Heya,
Y'know, J, I've heard your rap before here and there, especially on web "alternative media" sites. Infowars, stuff like that. Prisonplanet.com.
But there's one reference that is noticeably lacking in your political posts that people with similar viewpoints almost always include. I usually see the word "Zionists" peppered around when it comes down to pointing fingers and placing blame for the ills of the New World Order. Mention of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, sometimes.
I'm not pickin' a fight, and I sure don't want to go back and forth on the forum over some perceived slight, but I'm curious. Is that a part of where you're comin' from?
Talk to ya later, have a good one!
Parks
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Gentlemen: It's just some of this foreign intrigue is hard to decifer. In the early 1980's Iran was our enemy and Iraq was our friend which we supported in a war between the two. In the mid 1980's it seemed our government was buying guns from Iran with drug money which were shipped to Nicaragua to fight the Contras. In the 1990's our lil' Buddy Saddam became a bad guy so we went over and shook his shorts, sanctions and all that. In 2001 Bin Laden did his bad deed so we went after him in Afganistan. For some reason it was decided that Bin Laden was not as important as taking out our old bad friend Saddam, so we changed course. Now Bin Laden is still riding around on camels and shooting his AK47, while Saddam got his neck stretched. Now Iraq is supposed to be pacified so we will be moving stronger forces into Afganistan to pacify Al-quada. In the meantime Iran, Pakastin and Russia are trying our patience so we are giving them dirty looks and smart quips to get their attention. It is beyond my comprehension how our police force can afford, or without a Draft can police the rest of the world. Hell, even Peter Patreous says Iraq cannot be won militarly, so what is our point. Any clarifications please keep simple so as i can follow. jeep98
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Iran-Cantra was a tempest in a teapot. It involved less than 100 million dollars of misappropriated funds send to support those fighting against the Communist supported regime in Nicaragua. All the while the press and the Dems had their political panties in a wad over that, Charlie Wilson and the Dems were covertly sending about $400 billion of US funds via CIA operatives to finance the war of the Afgan freedom fighters against the former USSR invaders, teaching them how to fight guerilla warfare and make IMDs and such. Have you read "Charlie Wilson's War"? Read the book and a lot of what is going on in the Afghanastan, Pakistan, and Iraq may seem a bit clearer to you, or not.
You left out the part where Sadam/Iraq invaded Kuwait and was about to take over more than half the world's crude oil production by force. But perhaps that wasn't such a big a deal after all. Ever wonder why North Africa was so important to the Germans in WWII? There is a Pulitzer Prize-Winning non-fiction book called "The Prize". It's about oil and global economies, and such. You might want to read that if you haven't.
Shortly after Muhammad passed away sometime in the first century AD, there was a schism in the Muslim faith over his true successor. The Shiites and the Sunnis haven't gotten along since as best I can tell. And there are other factions as well. Might want to read "The Sword of the Prophet" and brush up on some of that history, too. In that background after WWI, and again after WWII, principally the Brits in the Middle East, but all of the European powers and the Russians carved up the Middle East and Africa along lines that suited them geographically and politically, but that had nothing to do with the political and ethnic situation on the ground in the countries that got carved up. Lets just say that the tensions in the area have been "strained" ever since. How many times have the boarders of that part of the world been re-drawn in even our lifetime?
And, BTW, you left out the fall of the Shah of Iran, and the Ayatollah Kommemi's and rise of Muslim fundamentalism in Iraq, and the shooting war that was raging between the two for years back in the 70's and 80's, and the chemical weapons that were used, and the Afghan opium trade, and the Talliban and Israel and Syria and Lebanon, and Hezbolah and the Moussad and the Palestinians and Turks and the Kurds, and the Crets, and Bosnia and Herzegovina and the former Yugoslavian republics, and Somalia, and anti Soviet separatists, and Georgia and a lot of other "stuff" that has been going on complicating the political landscape of that region for longer than the USA has been a country that has affected what has and will happen in that troubled part of the world. True, all very complicated, all in many ways fundamentally rooted in differing ethnicities and religions, principally Muslim Sunni vs. Muslim Shiite vs. Christians and territorial disputes going back hundreds of years. True, all underscored by the emerging world demand for oil and energy, principally by China and India. True, very difficult for most Americans to understand and fathom.
But there are web sites and plenty of books in the bookstores out there, Criminalizing Bush, and with much more coherent and easy to grasp explanations, which make it much simpler to understand. Michael Moore made the movie, but I didn't see it. Basically, I believe, it goes something like this: Bush wasn't legally elected, but the election had to be rigged so he could win, then arrange to have the World Trade Centers bombed and drum up a story about WMD's to have an excuse to go to war in that region and redeem his dad's failure and control the worlds oil. So it's all ultimately Bush's fault and the other stuff is just coincidental.
Sorry if that sounds condescending. I suspect it probably does. But that's about the best I can briefly summarize the two positions that seem to be "out there". I am sure you will fill me in on what other major forces are at work here that I have I missed. Thanks.
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The original 'war brokers' with banking interests on 'both sides' of the frontline. Exactly how much validity? Hard to say, as 'secret societies' don't typically divulge their secret dogma to layman . . .
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As for me, I'm just a founding fathersConstitution junkie, and believe inoriginal intent. Right to liberty as long as it doesn't infringe on others rights.
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The current 'police state nanny knows best ' is absolutely repulsive to me. Why do I need 'big brother nanny ' telling me I can't wear safetyglasses in 'their 'courthouse, nor get a tattoo, or that I must bring a rifle to church on Sunday in order to ward off Indian attacks? Who wrote these laws? Giv'em half a chance, and you can be sure they'll enforce those lawsin order to fine you,thus increasing revenuesjust so they canvote themselves a fat pay raise! If that isn't infringement, then what is?
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An apportioned tax is of some value, but unapportioned taxes, just to paybankers interest fees is deplorable! Anybankers profiteering on both sides of the frontline should be tried for war crimes and all assets they've accrued should be redistributed among the victims of those crimes.
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The problem is - who is going after these 'above the law' elites for the atrocities they've caused?
The Nuremberg Trials prosecutedwar puppets, but not the puppet masters that financed and profiteered on both sides of the 'war effort', raking in obscene interest rates at the expense of the 'little man' in the trenches! Thosebankers should be the ones under indictmentfor the REAL war crimes, manipulatingmasses into a'for profit' world war bloodbath!
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When all is said and done, the sheeple continue to be controlled, fleeced, then interred. Already know that the sheeple don't care, so really, who does?
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Otherwise it couldn't be explained to the sheeple in a 30 second blurb on the talking boxas they merrily gobleetingthrough another container of suds . . . (http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-undecided.gif)
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Brandon, your comments are interesting. Cheers to you for your service and glad to have you back.
The cost of this conflict has been enormous, but ridding the middle east of a powerful military force under control of a despot is invaluable. The Iraqi Ba'athists (and to some degree the Syrian branch) are about as close to a totalitarian regime as we see in the past 63 years, and prior to our "illegal invasion" their military had potential to dominate the entire middle east. I believe history will record the destruction of this force as a boon for peace.
What do you think remains of the Mahdi militia? Can we hope that they are completely dispersed?
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Agreed, J. Otherwise network news would tend to be easily biased and mostly worthless. Must admit that "follow the money" always seems to be a fast track to get to the root of what's really going on, though.
Pass the chips, please. What time do the football games start?
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TCups: Thanks for filling in on points I did not make. Yeh, the Shah of Iran was the Dictator we supported before he was run off before we supported the Dictator Saddam of Iraq. If it keeps on going we are gong to run out Dictators to support. No I have not read Charlie Wilson's book nor any of Ollie North's books. I am reading Alan Friedman's 1993 published'Spider's Web' which is quite interesting.- Nicaragua (1980's) covers bad Dictator Danny Ortiga whom I believe has been re-elected as curent bad Dictator/President. I did not get an answer to 'what is our point and how can we afford' question. Now another question, you state that some of these troubles were going on before there was an United States of America, so why can't they work out their own problems and leave us alone like George Washington recommended to the people in his Farewell Address? jeep98
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Well, this thread has certainly been enlightening.
Now, in the unlikely event that I should ever throw a gigantic dinner party for the airgunning community, I'll have a much better idea of where to seat everyone at the table!
Some on the right side of the table, some on the left, and a few floating way up over the top.
G'day,
Parks
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Printed paper has what value? Then interest is charged to every piece of paper printed. Why is that?
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Mayer Amschel Bauer, purportedfounder ofthe Rothschild family, was quoted "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws"
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I think that's pretty insidious.
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President James A. Garfield stated "Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master ofall industry and commerce"
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Who controls the money? Not the US government! Certainly NOT the sheeple!
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Haven't seenanythingchanging for the better, although Ron Paul isat least saying something about the problem.
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3n00n - 9/12/2008 8:29 PM
Otherwise it couldn't be explained to the sheeple in a 30 second blurb on the talking box as they merrily go bleeting through another container of suds . . . (http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-undecided.gif)
I heart suds!!(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-tongue-out.gif)
lol i never watch politics on the news for anything but entertainment value.
I believe alot of the mid-level leaders of the Mahdi army have now resorted to supporting and masterminding operations for what is left of the remaining insurgent cels in Iraq.
A few of our top ten High Value Targets turned out to be former Mahdi officials. Must suck living in Iraqi jail for the rest of their lives, lol.
Also I didnt mean to discourage anyones right to their opinion, just encouraging those who make unfounded and false statements to keep misinformation to themselves.
Y'all should see the jumble of Tactics we are briefed on for use in Afghan right now. Enough to make your head spin, esp. with the contradiction of the "Global War on Drugs" vs. winning the trust of locals and supporting a legitimate govt.