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Title: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: Big_Bill on March 30, 2009, 03:58:55 PM


Hello All,



I just read Bob's (CharlieDaTuna's) Blog, and anyone that would like to read Bob's account of this saga, should stop in there and read Bob's account of what has, and is happening concerning the GREAT GRT-III Trigger !



This Blog was started by Bob (CDT) because he has been unable to respond to Steve in NC lies and attacks on his GREAT GRT-III Trigger. Steve in NC seams to be able to intimidate other forums in some way, so that anyone that disagrees with him are blocked, or their post are DELETED.



So if you are interested in "The Rest of the Story", go to: http://charliedatuna.blogspot.com/ (http://charliedatuna.blogspot.com/)



Thanks,



Bill

Title: Re: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: CaptGeorge on March 30, 2009, 04:34:23 PM
I'm new to this controversy.  However, I had already read Bob's blog. Being an engineer I understand the difficulties between conception, design, and manufacturing.  All I can say, is Bob's hard work and effort to make his GRT-III trigger is to be commended.  It's a great product - well made with close tolerances yet versatile enough to fit a wide variety of makes and models.

I have three GRT-III's: One in a Daisy 130A, one in a Gamo Hunter 220, and now one in my new Crosman Quest 800. They all dropped right in and worked well without any adjustments.  If fact, the only one I've adjusted, at all, was the one in my Quest.  It worked fine, but required a little "tweaking" to suit my personal tastes. Given the manufacturing tolerances (especially in the Chinese made Quest) I think it's a testament to Bob that it works so well in so many different air rifles.

GREAT PRODUCT and GREAT PRODUCT SUPPORT!  Way to go, Bob.
Title: RE: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: TCups on March 30, 2009, 04:46:17 PM
I think I understand the "controversy" and what is at the root of it all.  What I don't understand is why independent forums, other than Steve's forum, permit him or anyone a free hand to bash CDT, on the one hand, and absolute censorship of anything CDT might post, on the other hand.  That being the case, I just avoid those forums.
Title: What happened on Green?
Post by: 3n00n on March 30, 2009, 04:49:28 PM
How did SteveNC get Bob thrown off of Green? (http://../images/emoticons/frown.gif)
Title: RE: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: Big_Bill on March 30, 2009, 05:13:02 PM


I tried to post on Green tonight, and could not !



I have been a member there for two years, and I'm sure they know my feelings on this topic, as we known there, as we all visit other forums from time to time.



I believe Steve in NC badgers and bullies anyone that doesn't share his philosophy or stories.



Bill

Title: Uncle Bill,,,,,,
Post by: Timmyj1959@yahoo.com on March 30, 2009, 05:26:17 PM
I WILL read your link. I know the HONEST FACTS. 8) I will not comment here about this "issue" again. Truth be known,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "Mr Bob" & Gene Curtis are Dear Friends of mine,, I will not now,,, nor EVER apoligise for that!! :) I may be a "Dumb Redneck" from the "Low Country" of South Carolina,,, But,,, I KNOW Good Folks when I meet them. I have met them both on several ocasions & been to thier homes. I recently spent 5 days as a "Guest" at Genes house,,,, dont NO ONE ever say nuthin bad bout My "Papa Bear" Gene,,,, "Edit".............. Im stoppin now :emoticon: Tim. I tried to post "there" last night & could not,,,, I just figured it was "my bad",,,,, Now Im gettin upset,,,,,:0 ,, NOT the emoticon Im lookin for??:o
Title: RE: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: kiwi on March 30, 2009, 07:08:40 PM
If the trigger works thats all that I'm interested in...
But it dose make a good read
Title: Re: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: Gene_SC on March 31, 2009, 01:21:15 AM
Bill if you have not posted there in a while you will have to request admission to post. I can log in but cannot post either, but it is merely a way for the Crosman Forum to Control Trolls..:)
Title: Re: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: PelletPaul on March 31, 2009, 01:26:51 AM
Is there a patent pending on these triggers?   Paul
Title: Re: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: airgunandy on March 31, 2009, 01:34:39 AM
Someone posted on the Crosman forum last night about their good experience with Bob's trigger. A few were concerned about what whats-his-name will do to retaliate. Still no word from whats-his-name.
Title: Re: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: Big_Bill on March 31, 2009, 01:59:29 AM


Well Gene,



I have posted over there just a few months ago, and last night I logged on without a problem, but could not post. Today I could not even log on ! We just don't how good we have it here until we go to another forum !



Bill

Title: Re: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: geewhiz380 on March 31, 2009, 02:13:50 AM
MAYBE SOMEONE IS SIGNING HERE AS A GUESS ,SOMEONE LIKE STEVE AND IS NOT TIRED OF THE B.S. ITS OVER DUDE U LOST STOP HATING ON THE GRT3 DUDE CDT TRIGGERS GOT A GOOD REP AND NO MATTER WHAT U DO OR SAY ITS STILL GOING TO SELL .HANG UP YOUR GLOVES STEVE ITS GETTING PLAYED OUT U DID NOTHING TO MAKE ANYTHING BETTER BETWEEN U AND BOB AND NOW YOUR LIES R SHINNING IN THE RIGHT SPOTS THAT NO ONE WANTS TO DO BUSSINESS WITH U .WOW WHERE JEALOUSY TAKES U ,STEVE THEY GOT THERAPY FOR YOUR SICKINESS.GOOD LUCK I KNOW U WILL READ OUR POST THAT Y OUR FAMILY MEMBERS KEEPS GETTING BLOCK OUT WHERE EVER U AT ...........
Title: RE: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: RedFeather on March 31, 2009, 03:46:45 AM
Now Steve is claiming an improvement - plastic coating on his adjustment screw to hold it in place.  I asked why a simple locking nut arrangement wouldn't do just as well?  "No. Locknuts are a poor solution in high-precision adjustment applications because...
...tightening the nut almost always perturbs the adjustment by a few 0.001"s. Ask a Daystate Huntsman owner about trigger adjustments, if you don't believe me. The Huntsman trigger uses coaxial lockscrews - which have the same problem as locknuts for the same reason."

Call for the Princess and the Pea!!!  I think my trigger adjustment just went out by .002"!  Oooo, I'm so PERTURBED!!!!

Well, unless you are one of the blessed who can tell 1 lb 3 oz from 1 lb 4 oz, I can't see the benefit of micro-tuning pull weights.  Used to have a SW radio with a fine tuning feature.  Once you dialed in a station, you turned the fine tune knob to get it really clear.  Of course, it never actually got any clearer.  Was just a feel-good feature.

Seriously, he's starting to sound like this guy: :D

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e20/RedFeather2/e0e1693f2d7f107a57ff9d324550a3d9c64.jpg) (http://s36.photobucket.com/albums/e20/RedFeather2/?action=view¤t=e0e1693f2d7f107a57ff9d324550a3d9c64.jpg)
Title: Obviously backwards engineered from the GRTIII
Post by: 3n00n on March 31, 2009, 04:02:43 AM


Fewer machine operations for a cheaper product, likely done with a substandard material . . .



We'll find out when somebody loses a finger to a 'slamfire' because the trigger failed. I certainly don't trust SteveNC, and have already been 'ripped off' by his 'sight of hand' in the past.



CdT always stands behind his products and services, while SteveNC palms off responsibility or liability ANYWHERE else!



WHY!?! Anyone care to guess?

Title: RE: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: CharlieDaTuna on March 31, 2009, 12:47:10 PM
I didn't even know that I was blocked out until just a couple of days ago. I haven't  posted much on the Green Forum because of my respect for the guys over there. Every time I would post over there or talk to the guys, Steve would jump in and start trouble. I talked to Duane and a couple of others way back and explained to them that because of my respect for them and their members that I wouldn't post there much because of the problems that Steve would cause. It didn't matter though because it seems that he would still cause problems and still does to this day.

 I still have a lot of respect for them but why the admin's there allowed him back in after banning him a couple of times and still put up with his antics is beyond me. And after seeing what has happened the last few days and all of the blocked people from our forum, it really makes you wonder.
Title: RE: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: RedFeather on March 31, 2009, 01:02:48 PM
Guess who's been reading this post?

 Recently posted on the Yellow:


"...somebody expressed confusion about why a mere few 0.001"s of slop in a trigger adjustment makes a difference in the quality of the trigger's feel, as I mentioned in an earlier post of mine "

I'm sorry, but you're too hung up on nuances, pal.  Most guys tune a trigger to their liking and then measure the pull.  At that point, it is what it is.  Who cares if it's .001 +/- so long as it works?  And, to be frank, your trigger ain't tuning Olympic class guns but hunting dogs.  As much as the current Tuna design is concerned, there aren't a whole lot of folks too broke up about the adjustments.  I guess they are all unsophisticated rubes when it comes to the fine art of applied physics.  

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And I brought the point up HERE because you know damn well it can't be mentioned or discussed over THERE.  Spring's here.  Time to let the snow melt.   :emoticon:



Gene - I drop in to the Crosman now and again.  The moderator there was having troll troubles and threw out some ideas for tighter posting rules.  Maybe they have been implaced.  I do know that I had trouble for a while posting to the classifieds, even a buy it reply.  I re-applied and it seemed to work after that.  Haven't tried lately, though.  Maybe I will give it a test as I just picked up a stock 1377 and was wondering what light mods might be available.
Title: RE: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: Gene_SC on March 31, 2009, 01:10:31 PM
Hey Red, that is like a band aid. If the trigger was made with precision specifications you would not need plastic to hold adjustment screws in..:) The whole thing with the design of the GRT-III trigger is in the tolerances. The GRT-III triggers are made from quality material and made on CNC machines with some spectacular tolerances. The screws on the GRT-III do not come out. I think Bob knows the tolerances that he as set as a guide for the manufacturing of them.
Title: RE: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: nced on March 31, 2009, 01:35:43 PM
WOW! I just KNEW that there had to be another side to this saga. Thanks for the link!
Title: RE: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: roix06 on March 31, 2009, 01:59:18 PM
:D  :D LM%AO RedFeather: Just Like I was when I saw this......Ad on tthe Yellow.
I say no more

Roy
N. CA
Title: Re: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: speedturtle on April 01, 2009, 01:09:50 PM
Hey Charlie, thanks for letting us know your side of the story through your blog. I believe you have some pain inside for being treated and labeled wrongfully. Knowing more about the events happened prior to the bashing I'd say you do really have the right to defend yourself. But I think "It must be actually just between you and "Mr. Steve in NC". It's funny how we as individuals act like small insecure children that wants attention and sympathy when we can stand up as a man and admit whether we are at fault at make amends.

I am not an engineer but I design my own stuff most of the time. I can fully understand your side. How can I let people know that my design works if I can't even produce a simple workable plan for my contractors to build my prototype?

Well, there are always time for all of us to learn lessons from life. The question is "Are we willing to learn?"

Again, just my 2 cents on the matter.

Speedturtle
Title: I brought up a point on my blog...
Post by: CharlieDaTuna on April 01, 2009, 02:31:18 PM



I had made a point about customer service and below is a copy of that text.



As the manufacturer and marketing agent, my customer service history is impeccable. As everyone that has ever purchased a GRT-III trigger (as well as the original GTX-III trigger) knows, I am personally available to answer any and all questions regarding the GRT-III trigger. Although it rarely happens, if there is an installation problem, I’m always available and respond usually within minutes of being made aware of it either by phone if a number is provided or an immediate e-mail. My customers contact me directly and don’t go through some commercial third party. They go directly to the source. Do you think for one minute Steve will provide that kind of personal service?



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Now it just so happens that one of our members sent me an e-mail a little while ago pointing something out after visiting the AOA site where a certain trigger is being sold.

This disclaimer isin smaller print print at the bottom of the page.



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**Note: For instructions and support we provide the guides linked on this page. This is the full extent of the support we can supply on these custom parts. Please do not call with installation questions or instruction as we cannot give any verbal support. These custom parts carry no warranty, and use may void factory warranty on the product to which they are installed. Airguns of Arizona assumes no liability on the safety or function of the products listed on this page. All sales on these parts are final.



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This information certainly is not being revealed, pointed outorprovided openly by the "provider"to the memberson the YP's or the Crosman forum or anybody else. And of course I can't/won't post there but it is a shame that theyand other are notmade aware of it. And unless the buyer reads the small print (and most don't)and he's not aware of it, he's stuck with his purchase.

It's one of those cases of "Buyer beware". You buy it and if you have problems, have it for lunch.


Title: Hey Red, I saw that too...
Post by: WVscott on April 01, 2009, 03:15:23 PM
And when he said that you can't get a precise setting with a locknut it made me recall the valve adjuster screws with LOCKNUTS on my BMW R1150GS motorcycle.  I used to adjust the valves myself and they were very sensitive adjustments, within one or two thousandths' of an inch.  I was able to adjust my valves perfectly with the locknut.  Sometimes tightening the locknut would throw off the adjustment if you weren't paying attention, but once you got the feel for it, it worked perfectly and most importantly, I never had an adjustment screw work loose.  I have a bottle of vibratite and have used it on occasion, but find that blue locktite works better for me.  Vibratite says with their product you can repeatedly remove a screw and put it back in and the vibratite  coating will continue to keep the screw in place.  I've found that when I remove the screw the stuff comes off the threads...even after degreasing the threads.  Maybe I'm not using it correctly.  
       Regards, Scott
Title: RE: I brought up a point on my blog...Hurray for BOB!
Post by: DANULSON988 on April 01, 2009, 11:52:46 PM
He is still posting ads on the yellow every minute of every day, which most people just ignore.
I am so sick of his f$#@%'n ads every other post.
He keeps going on and on and on about his f%$%$%^ rounded screw and locktite!
I must admit, that I spent most time over there and only heard his side of the story. After seeing your side, I know get sickened by his constant bragging and BS about the screw and locktite. Big news" Steve invented locktite"  I saw your picture on your blog and I must say" you don't look like a backstabbing carrer minded criminal" LOL!
Good for you Bob and good luck. Screw Steve.
Every time I see one of his ads, I want to chime in but I wont, cause I don't want to get involved, and dont want to be made to disappear from the forums!
Title: RE: I brought up a point on my blog...Hurray for BOB!
Post by: RedFeather on April 02, 2009, 03:30:58 AM
I lifted the lid to take a pee and, sonuvgun, there was an ad for Steve's trigger.


Glad you had a chance to hear the other side of the story.  When you come here from there it's kinda like this:

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Title: A little post that I made to Steve !
Post by: Big_Bill on April 02, 2009, 04:23:15 AM


Greeting !



I have made a post on Steves latest add, asking him if I can call him for help installing the GTX trigger, considering AOA offers cash and carry, no refunds !



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It's Great to have your GTX back Steve, but

April 2 2009 at 12:17 PM
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Response to Well, Ross, does ANYBODY publish a phone number you can call... (http://"../../Forum/79537/message/1238681169/Well%2C+Ross%2C+does+ANYBODY+publish+a+phone+number+you+can+call...)

I purchased the GRT-III trigger before I knew anything about "the problems", or Your GTX trigger. I needed help with my rotten Gamo trigger that I have been suffering with for 8 years !

And when I received my GTR-III, it came with full instructions on how to adjust it. and when I had problems installing it, being very inexperienced changing air gun triggers, that fishy fellow you mentioned, spent over an hour helping me install it over the phone, he even offered to do it for me at no charge, all I would have to do was send it to him.

Now I'm very excited about your GTX trigger, and am dieing to give it a try ! But I'm a little set back, afraid, that if i can't get it working as advertised, I'll have no one to go to for help !

The add over at AOA says, no additional help, no refunds ???

Now not being a great air gunsmith and designer like you, I may run into some problems !

Can I count on you for help should I need it ? While I Love to shoot my airguns, I'm not the most mechanically inclined air gunner I know !

Respectfully,
Bill

Title: It's gone now Bill.
Post by: airgunandy on April 02, 2009, 04:35:01 AM
I just checked the Yellow and there is no post from you there.

Whats-his-name's new avatar is a bit tacky too.
Title: RE: A little post that I made to Steve !
Post by: Big_Bill on April 02, 2009, 04:37:55 AM


Well Guys,



It has been deleted already, 12 minutes after posting !



I'm glad I copied it, Steve doesn't want to help any one of his buyers of the GTX, only to help himself !



Bill

Title: RE: A little post that I made to Steve !
Post by: Big_Bill on April 02, 2009, 04:52:00 AM


Well,



I tried to again as Steve for help, and asked why my call for assistance was DELETED ?



Their response was : Steve, I asked for your HELP ! but all I received was to be DELETED ? (http://../../Forum/79537/message/1238690718/Steve%2C+I+asked+for+your+HELP+%21+but+all+I+received+was+to+be+DELETED+-) - Bill on Apr 2, 2009,12:45 PM



And when you click on my post, all you get is :



No such message.



Thanks Steve, for being so concerned about your customers !



Respectfully,



Bill

Title: Re: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: DANULSON988 on April 02, 2009, 04:54:54 AM
LOOK AT THIS REPLY FROM STEVE TO ANOTHER
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Not that I think it is lacking on support....
April 2 2009 at 9:59 AM
Ross in MA   (Login Y_N)
YFOT


Response to Why the Gen-II GTX is better than all previous replacement Gamo triggers.

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.. As your always very quick to respond with help here so I don't think anyone need worry at all if they have a problem with the installation.

But Wow did AOA go all out on their disclaimer :-

"**Note: For instructions and support we provide the guides linked on this page. This is the full extent of the support we can supply on these custom parts. Please do not call with installation questions or instruction as we cannot give any verbal support. These custom parts carry no warranty, and use may void factory warranty on the product to which they are installed. Airguns of Arizona assumes no liability on the safety or function of the products listed on this page. All sales on these parts are final."

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Title: RE: SORRY I POSTED WRONG. I GET MY STEVES MIXED UP.
Post by: DANULSON988 on April 02, 2009, 04:57:25 AM
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Title: RE: A little post that I made to Steve !
Post by: Big_Bill on April 02, 2009, 05:02:35 AM


My Final Post for now,



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      ...and get personalized "verbal support" for installing trigger mod's? Or, for that matter, does anybody assume warranty support for your gun after you do?

      Of course not. The reality of the economics of these inexpensive parts preclude it.

      I applaud the honest and business-like folks at AoAZ for simply telling it like it is upfront, instead of (like a certain fishy fellow I won't mention) letting the customer find out for himself only after he's spent his money. (http://../../images/wink.gif)

      Steve

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And will offer a FULL REFUND, even if you are only unhappy with the fishy trigger ! Thanks for DELETING my post asking if I can get furthr HELP from YOU ! Bill

Title: RE: A little post that I made to Steve !
Post by: DANULSON988 on April 02, 2009, 05:07:45 AM
Bill, wont you get booted from yellow? I thought you have gotten kicked by now.LOL!
Title: RE: So you lied?
Post by: RedFeather on April 02, 2009, 06:24:32 AM
Now, now.  No need to get into name calling.  Steve's latest "thread" isn't worth getting kicked off the YP over.  I was going to post, myself, should we now be posting our questions on the Classifieds and sales on the Yellow?  I know the forum owner and Steve go way back, but he's letting him run it as his own private infomercial.  It really is detracting from and, otherwise, decent forum.


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Title: RE: A little post that I made to Steve !
Post by: Big_Bill on April 02, 2009, 06:32:06 AM


It's always a possibility !



I use the same name, Big_Bill, I don't hide behind a false name or e-mail.



But so far, I can still post there. After all I am a member.



I asked a question that they didn't like, and couldn't answer, so they Deleted it :)



Guess I'll have to forget about trying Steve's New Unsupported, trigger !



Bill

Title: RE: So you lied?
Post by: Big_Bill on April 02, 2009, 07:54:50 AM


Michael,



I don't understand your post at all ???



You make reference to my post, buy what are you trying to say ???



First, You say I LIED !!! About what ???



Secondly, I would kill myself before I became the Anti-Christ ! Or became anything like, the Anti-Christ !



The rest of your post doesn't make any sense, you should get your thoughts in order before you start typing, and then re-read what you typed, to make sure it came out intelligible.



As for Charlie's e-mail address, it is all over his Ad's for the GREAT GRT-III trigger.



And, if for some reason I needed Steve Woodward's phone number, I could have it in 5 minutes ! But I'm now sure that he would hang up on me, just as he deleted my questions on the "Yellow forum". I guess he doesn't even know enough about the GTX trigger to help someone that is having trouble with "his" trigger !



Please write back when you have collected your thought Michael.



Bill

Title: Re: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: RedFeather on April 02, 2009, 08:02:51 AM
I was referring to the nickname from Revelations, not anyone here.  The words in red, above.  Don't want to make us look as bad, if not worse, than them.  I guess I should cool it with the chuckles, as well.  I do wish I could post on the Yellow about how Charlie now has a video to guide users through his installation process.  One place you might be able to be heard is the Crosman as there's a good many there who are getting tired of the trigger issue plus the ads for Steve's new products.  But they've just had a round of troll trouble so I would leave them out of it.

What gets me is all the fuss about the rounded adjustment screw tip.  I mean, hasn't Charlie's trigger done more than all right as it is?  The new design is like turning it up to eleven.
Title: RE: Let me try again and I'm sure my heads screwed on straight. I also ask with all sincerity.
Post by: Big_Bill on April 02, 2009, 09:31:47 AM


Michael !



I would have asked you if you were serious or not, before I called you a liar !



And YES, everythingthat Iwrote was truthful !!! I do not believe in lying. And yes, as you can see by my response, I am respectful to you also, even after you calling me a liar ! Although I wouldn't try that if you ever meet me in person !



As for my not being serious, I guess we can add Telepathy to Your and Steve's accomplishments.



I think we both know that any disassembly of any air gun will void the warrantee, unless performed by a factory repair shop !



Respectfully,



Bill

Title: RE: I see where the confusion comes in now. Here's how Charlie does it.
Post by: shadow on April 02, 2009, 10:32:16 AM
This post has run it's course, please let it rest and let it go. Ed
Title: You hung up on his phone number ?? I never asked for it !
Post by: Big_Bill on April 02, 2009, 10:46:27 AM


Michael, or Steve_NC,



I NEVER ASKED FOR YOUR PHONE NUMBER !!!! I asked if I could come to you for HELP !



Then my post disappeared,,,POOOF ! So what does that mean to you ? NO HELP !!!



Bill



Title: RE: I see where the confusion comes in now. Here's how Charlie does it.
Post by: Big_Bill on April 02, 2009, 11:13:36 AM


From everything that I have read on the Yellow Forum, Steve never had anything to do with customer service, Bob (CDT) sold and serviced them !And why is there not any mention on AOA, to contact you or the YF, if there is a problem ?



It just states, NO RETURNS !!! I did want to try your trigger out, but a Pig in a Poke ? I don't think so now..



And NO, I don't think for one minute, that I can expect any Customer Service from Steve Woodward.



"As the manufacturer and marketing agent, my customer service history is impeccable. As everyone that has ever purchased a GRT-III trigger (as well as the original GTX-III trigger) knows, I am personally available to answer any and all questions regarding the GRT-III trigger. Although it rarely happens, if there is an installation problem, I’m always available and respond usually within minutes of being made aware of it either by phone if a number is provided or an immediate e-mail. My customers contact me directly and don’t go through some commercial third party. They go directly to the source. Do you think for one minute Steve will provide that kind of personal service?

See Charlie calls you. You don't call him. So why does Steve have to give out his phone number when Charlie doesn't? I bet the main methods Charlie uses to help are the forum and email. You can't expect him to be on the phone all day. Same should apply to Steve shouldn't it?

Title: Re: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: Gene_SC on April 02, 2009, 11:44:20 AM
Well Red it looks like we are getting some Trolls over here now. I am just about ready to  put an end to this Troll business.
Title: Hey Mr "Junk Man",,,,
Post by: Timmyj1959@yahoo.com on April 02, 2009, 12:30:02 PM
You are obviously skilled enough to slide your post in here just "Under The Radar". Never have I seen someone so "Clever" as you to keep your derogitory posts within the "Gray Area". I must give you credit for that. You have a gift for stirring the emotions of good Folks,, while somehow staying just in the Gray Area of the rules. As a moderator on another forum,, I would find it very difficult to ban you based on the "letter of the Law/rules". You should be very proud of yourself,,,,,, you are very "Clever" indeed. Tim.
Title: Re: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: Leadhead on April 02, 2009, 12:33:40 PM
Personally, I can see why Steve is selling his trigger through AOA. I just had a buying experience with them that was far from what I had hoped for..........probably won't be back anytime soon.......if ever....(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cry.gif)........two peas in a pod..
Title: RE: I Just Returned From Bob's Blog, Anyone Interested in "The REST of the Story"
Post by: PeakChick on April 02, 2009, 01:09:05 PM
Okey Doke Gentlemen, we're all done here. I'm at my end for this in-fighting. I will not tollerate threads of this sort any longer.