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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Back Room => : larspawn October 31, 2009, 10:08:00 AM
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Guess we're all busy trying to get in the last shots before it gets cold out. No excuse for you Southerners. But I noticed the GTA boards are getting a bit stale. So I thought I throw out another provocative thread just to get our keyboard juices flowing...
So chime in on your thoughts of...*Quality or Quantity?* Would you rather have three really nice rifles or would you be bored? Would you rather have a dozen or two to keep you interested? What are your thoughts? And the rule is you can't say I'd like to have a dozen high end rifles!
So sound off ladies and gents...
Andy Wong aka larspawn
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I had over 12 new rifles from september 2008 until now. I sell a lot and kept just 3 good rifles. Why? Too many rifles in my case do not make me enjoy them as I want.
How is that?
With 3 rifles I shoot more with every rifle and I do not loose the technique to shoot every rifle by it self. I kept 3 different rifles to shoot,
RWS 48, WHISPER VH and a Marauder. Every rifle is different in weight and in the case of the RWS is a little stronger in the kick.
Three rifles just by now until something very exciting comes to the market as the new revolution.
I have another rifle hard case empty for it... you know in case of EMERGENCY!!!
ENJOYING BE A AIRGUN SHOOTER from PUERTO RICO!!!
GERALD / KP4ATT
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Can't have too many LOL I would love a Marauder, I do keep looking at the China guns tho LOL I guess if I had to choose it would be quality
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If it had to be quality or quantity I'd choose quality. 3 or 4 quality rifles would give me everything I would need for all aspects of shooting. I'd want one quality target rifle... perhaps a TX... for plinking,,,,, I'd want one magnum springer for small game hunting and I'd want one quality PCP with adjustable power. Those 3 rifles would give me everything I would need to plink and hunt.
Jeff
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Jeff you are absolutly right. So when you gonna put up all those other babies on the Classifieds?...:)
I have owned over 100 air guns in the last 5 years but not all at the same time..:) Down to 30 or so now. I finally have it down to certain springers and PCP's that really turn my screws to shoot..:) I honestly do not think I could just have 3 or 4 because there are so many nice shooters available out there with different aspects of shooting, handling and the ones I have now I just love em..:)
I do not think I am finished either..:) I will keep buying and selling, trading as I love these darn shooters..
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id rather have 3 good ones then 12 peices of crap lool
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Hmmm,
Looks like we might be closet collectors who really say fewer is better. What do you others have to say?
Andy
P.S. I may just be revealing which side of the aisle I sit as I just saw a post for a Slavia 631 so guess I'm at 3 quality shooters plus a bunch of others...
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I'd pick quality, .... when I can afford it. But for me, that doesn't mean they have to be pretty, just very good at what the intended use is.
Having said that, my gun assortment grows because I don't sell or trade off guns. I try to research what I want/need, find what meets that, and if it does, I keep it.
I still have my first BB gun that I learned to shoot with over 50 years ago. Handed down from my Grandfather. And still have the late 50's Winchester 22lr that I've use for Squrrel hunting for over 40 years. First shotgun I've ever owned, first centerfire rifle, etc.
Only guns I ever got rid of was because they stopped making Greeny stick-em caps ! :D
Paul.
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Just a heads up, I got the impression from this post that you keep your rifles stored in hard cases. If that's the case, DON'T DO IT! The cases are really only designed for transport, using them for long term storage is a good recipe for rusted rifles, especially if you live in a humid climate. Not real sure, but I think Puerto Rico qualifies as humid :-). Later.
Dave
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I'm gonna go with the quality over quantity crowd here, but with a twist. I've been up to as many as 10 at once, but that was before I got my first PCP. I currently have 2 in my possession, with another on the way, and one up for sale. I seem to be unable to totally give up on springers, but I don't tend to keep them very long. And even with my PCP's I'll buy one, shoot it for awhile, then sell it or trade it off to get a different rifle. For the most part that works okay, although I do regret selling my FX Cyclone. Gonna have to replace that one some day, it was a keeper that I didn't keep. My AA S200 is in that category, that one I intend to be buried with :-).
But I like to have a variety, even if they're all PCP's. Once the new one arrives, I'll have 10, 20, and 40 fpe rifles, so I should have all my bases covered. That said, I suspect that all but the S200 will be looking for new homes sometime in the next year, maybe to help finance a replacement Cyclone :-). At which point I'll have everything I need in two rifles, not sure what I'll do then to keep from getting bored. Maybe start playing with big bores :-). Later.
Dave
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Definitely Quality. Definitely.
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Hello Andy,
I learned long ago to buy the best that you can afford at the time. If you buy the cheaper products, you may find it hard to recoup your investment when you decide to move up to the next level.
Cheaper products do not seem to last as long, or work as well ! And everyone has their dreams of the air gun of their personal choice !
I have saved up for the product, (air gun) of my dreams, rather than buying a cheaper (less expensive) model, that I will not be totally satisfied with.:emoticon: There is one problem with saving for that special air gun,It's when you finda different air gunat a super good value that's on you want to buy list ! It sets you back until you can afford your dream air gun again. But just think, now you have another air gun of your dreams, at a great price ! :D
So I'm for getting the best, few air guns, that do the job very well, and make you happy with your choices. :D
To be a great shooter, you need to learn your rifle/ pistol very well, having several air guns makes it very difficult to learn any air gun very well. Each lady has their own temperament, and likes !
Bill
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one of each cal till 25cal 177,20,22,25,two pcps all for different occasion ....i have a 177,22,25 ,now i need a 20cal which will be a r9d.g.,a marauder so when things go right for me i would be in the market for a the two mentioned sometime in march ,to be honest i rather by a used rifle from a well known seller than gettin it from a store and u save money also .i have dealt with a few excellent members here and honestly we trust each other and we have a great understanding of friendship and have never got sold a lemon besides the shark .lately i have been shootin my 350m.22 and b26.177 with iron sights for now but its accurate and the 350m.22 has made improvement so for the last few days about 300hundred in each airrifle.....jorge
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i agree with u bill cause lately i been shootin only two airfifles the b26.177 and the 350m.22 i had to put the shark away cause its for hotter days cause its co2 and a 25cal so its more for huntin than anything very accurate the shark rifle is and if u get your hands on the shotgun version that will be a keeper for sure right out of mike melicks mouth he had one and enjoyed it ,we spoke on this topic but its not selling in the u.s. its in agentina ,i was lucky that george from sunshine fixed it for me and he even had to order the supplies from else where but its a great rifle anyway i put it away till next summer..i really will like to start with a condor .22 from talon tunes hooked up with everthing i would need to make it special and a marauder .22 then i would be content that would be 5 the r9.dg would be a 20cal .....
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The quality is what I am after. Not so much the looks, but you usually get that in a good rifle, but in the handling and
accuracy. I buy my rifles for one reason, so I can hit what I am shooting at. I got back into Air gunning because of hunting. I would rather use one any day over a powder burner. I don't know why, I just love the hunt and sport of it.
I don't have a lot of the green stuff so I have had to do some trading and scrounging along the way to get what I
want. I have (ONLY) had 8 different rifles in the last 11 months. I have had the Marauder twice.
This last one is a keeper along with my new Lonestar. I had the Hornet, now dont get me wrong she was a great rifle,
but I wanted a little more umph at longer ranges.
I am setting right now at two good rifles. If I get another, I will probably have to buy swap and trade again to get
another one that I would be happy with. The wife is wanting one but she has short arms and it cant be to heavy.
It also needs to be able to hunt if needed. So I guess I am with the crowd here. Money is hard to come by,
you get what you pay for and you only live once. You might as well get what you really want/need.
3 good rifles over quantity.
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If it hits what I aim at then I'm happy, quality is great but no way would "I" spend 300.00 on any airgun for no more shooting than I do.
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Quality all the way! Can't afford quantity!
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That's what I'm trying to say Ronnie,
Get the air gun, or gun, that makes you the happiest !!!! :D
I always wanted a Beeman Crow Magnum IV, I still love that Air Gun !!! but I don't have the need for one, nor do I have the $$$$$ for one either :p I know my limitations for use and for money !
My first love was and is my Sheridan .20 cal., that was my main squeeze for many years. She eliminated many squirrels, raccoons and possums. I still have her ! she just needs a rebuild.
THEN, I saw the Gamo 890S Hunter, and I lost my mind ! Here in NJ we don't have many dealers that carry better than that ! And I played and hunted with that for years, until I discovered the GTA and Bob's (CDT's) GREAT GRT-III trigger, what a GREAT trigger !!!!!!!!! it changed my whole way of thinking about springers. Now it had the power to do most jobs, and a trigger that let her be all that she could be !
So no matter what you want, that's the girl for you !
Bill
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I have 14 quality rifles and5 quality pistols...but I really only use 2 or 3 of them... Air Arms, BSA, RWS DIANA'S, WEBLEYS, BEEMANS, AND 2 Gamo's.. My favorite of the ones to play with are the BSA's.. extreamly accurate and fun pcp's... If you think for 1 minute that I would have only 3 guns your mistaken, I love to hold and caress all of them, just shoot a few... My 1968 rocker sheridan in .20 is a dream, but she just lives in the safe.. I do get to oil them and clean them and love them and name them tho..(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif)
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Sorry if it seems a bit stale. I confess that having taken on the responsibility of a new German Shepherd puppy last January, I find much of the free time I used to have is consumed paying some attention to Annie. She doesn't understand "no, not now -- I want to go in the back yard alone to shoot." So, I am spending a lot more time throwing the frisbee than shooting these days. And this is also the busiest time of the work year for me, too. I suspect that the economy has also damped some of the free-wheeling air gun purchasing that was going on a year or two ago as well. The enthusiasm is still there, I feel pretty sure -- just not the disposable income. So, as with many things, there are up and down cycles. I wouldn't make the judgment that the GTA is growing stale, though.
As for air rifles - well, there is a time and a season for every air rifle, I suspect. I have more than I need and more than I shoot regularly. If it were to come down to only having a few air rifles, I know the 5 that I absolutely could not part with: Walther LGR-U .177 10-meter SPP, AirArms S410 ERb .22 PCP, Theoben Crusader .20 cal gas ram, CZ-634 .177 springer and Beeman R9-Goldfinger .20 cal. springer. I would be hard pressed to part with several others, but those 5 -- a single pumper, a PCP, a gas ram, and two springers are the best of the best in my collection. But hey, I still have a few project air rifles that may join the elite collection -- you never know. And hey, I almost forgot the AirArms ProSport!
Well, off to work now.
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I'll look for your excess at the classifieds!! ;d)
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Guess I'm a quantity kinda guy!
I probably have too many. More than I have time to shoot!
$140 is the most expensive one I own (Benjamin 392). The average expenditure is about $43.
I shoot from 10 yards to 25 in my backyard.
I have several pumps and a mild springer that will shoot under a dime at 20 to 25 yards. I still find an accurate, easy to shoot rife to be a fun thing to have around.
And then there are the modded Crosman pistols and other stuff I like to tinker with.
A few are vintage irons that are fun to have around, including some odd ball springers from eastern European countries.
Then there's my latest diversion, the BB guns.
The name of the game is low-buck airgun FUN and I say, the more the merrier!
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I think it depends on how you measure 'quality'. Just these past few weeks I bought a RWS 350 to compare to a TF89. The RWS was $300, the TF89 $119. I didn't think there was much difference in the quality of the guns. I like one aspect or another on either of these guns only marginally better than the other. To me, I'd take 2 TF89s instead of the RWS350 any day. On the other hand, what do I need two for?
I'm sure some of you guys with huge collections or specific likes/dislikes have bypassed Chinese guns of any sort based on the past -- like I might bypass a Turkish rifle now based on what I hear. But what really exemplifies quality if it isn't a dependable, accurate, decently designed rifle, regardless of the cost? Sometimes it seems that cost is blindly associated with quality, and I'm not sure that is an accurate assessment.
Please see my actual assessment here:
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=22541&posts=6#M179473
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I'm not sure the issue is quality vs. quantity for me. I presently own 4 rifles, my first was the C-1 springer which I will never part with followed by two PCP's with vastly different characteristics and a gas ram to round out the stable. No interest in CO2 rifles at all. I tend to shoot more than one rifle during a shooting session, especially considering the ease of shooting a PCP vs a springer or gas ram. I'm happy with the rifles I own, and the effort of buying/selling just to try out a different rifle is too much effort for me. Guess I'm just lazy.
Eric
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Gene,
You said "on the other hand what do I need two for". It looks like you have two TF89's in your sig:)
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Sorry, I meant Rich, the Bookdoc
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Quality for me, without a doubt. I would rather have 3 fine air rifles then a dozen not so fine. I saw then light when I bought my first quality springer after buying and shooting a few chinese guns...you can't compare.(sorry guys).
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One is a tuned .177
The other is a .22 and it is going to be a completely custom gun -- tune, stock and muzzle brake. I don't think I'd do that to a more expensive gun.
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Why would you want a whole bunch of ugly whores, when you can have one fine lady?
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I am not all that convinced that 'fine' is the right description. I've shot them side-by-side, and I am not $200 more impresed by the RWS350. The TF89 is every bit as good. Have you shot both? My guess is not. Lots of people assume that when you pay more you get more...it seems to me that when you pay more you just start more in a hole before you get a tune.
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Well put Richard, you must do your homework to try to get he most bang for your buck. It's hard because $$$ dont always = better. I'm having a hard time believing a tune makes all that much difference, but I admit I am ignorant as I have never shot the difference first hand. Feel free to chime in on that. It would be nice to go to a meet to be able to try others guns. I know, because I could only afford one gun right now, I am am very happy with my NPSS .22. But it was a struggle to decide because I had to educate myself on this sight and pick what I felt was right for all of my needs. I wish I could afford a pcp, but.....
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I think it may depend on who does the tune... but my first tuned gun went from not even working to wow. the spring was replaced along with other parts, the trigger tuned and a custom guide was made. Reducd twng, torque and made shooting a lot more accurate with less recoil. A $134 gun with a $150 tune...$284, still less than my RWS, more accurate and smoother with a better trigger feel. I'm not saying the RWS is a piece of junk...I'm just wondering what the real advantage is to spending more.
It is really hard to go by other people's opinions, which is why I bought the RWS...I was planning to put about $1000 into another TF89 to customize, and I wanted to be sure I was starting with the right base. It was worth the investment and I'm not throwing the RWS away ;-) I just wanted to feel a LOT more difference for more than twice the price.
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quantity vs. quality...?....i have slimmed down my quantity of guns to rws-54, beeman rx-2, theoben eliminator, and a disco for my granddaughter. the 54 will always be one of my favorites. the rx-2 is a very nice "fit & finish" gun but has been sold to someone in the "low-country" and is/was a fantastic shooter (20 fpe), the theoben goes without comment....it is handmade and you can't really compare it to mass-produced airguns, and then there is the little disco.....the fit and finish on the disco is adequate but nothing to show-off unless you have a "meredith" custom stock on it but it is fun trying to see how much ummph you can get out of it. power adjusters, high-rise blocks, barrel shrouds, funky muzzle-brakes, special bolts, and all the inexpensive mods you can do to it. the disco is a FUN tinker-toy. the theoben rules the roost and then the rws-54.
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No I havn't shot the 89 and I won't.
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Let me know where you got a RWS 350 magnum for $250... I got my last TF89 for $119, and most places sell the RWS350 for $399. Are you sure you are talking about the right gun?
You "won't" own a TF89...but why? Seems to me like you are pretty closed minded and like to retain a sense that you know better.
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You say that like every chinese springer is exactly the same. I suppose every German springer is exactly the same? That's an arguement that makes no sense. The $35 Chinese springer on Amazon is not the same as a TF89. Learn about what you think you are talking about. I did.
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just given u a hard time...LOL.
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Whew.
Well this thread just shows that with airguns like everything else - "it's different strokes for different folks".
I fall into the into the quantity group. I'm more curious about how well the "cheap" guns perform for the money. A $300-400 dollar AIRGUN better be dang good or I'd be very unhappy.
For example, I picked up my Turkish "POS" Winchester 1000 at Walmart at a clearance price of about 80 bucks. It's a very accurate rifle and probably the hardest hitting. Maybe its innards fall short of the quality some expect. But to me it's just a great shooting rifle. I just got the airgun bug this past year. It actually started when I cleaned out the attic and dug out my old B3. Started plinking in the basement. Did some searching on the web. Found a video of the Drozd Blackbird full-auto and had to have one. That's been my most expensive gun at $300. For sheer fun it was worth every penny. My next "big" purchase was the Beeman RS2 dual-caliber at Wally World for $120. Another fine gun for the money IMO. I could go on about all my Chinese bargains. There's not one that I was unhappy with. They are all surprisingly accurate for the money. Of course some are a little rougher than others.
Let's face it, for us plinkers at the ranges we shoot these things there is not a giant difference in accuracy in a lot of these guns. If you are a serious competition shooter, then yes it's a different ballgame.
I'm just having fun blasting stuff and trying to keep the holes touching. Hmm, that $69 Walther refurb sounds like a good deal...;-)
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Just to detour this a little... I asked earlier what anyone means by 'quality'. I mean, is it fps, trigger, accuracy, feel, handling, performance, etc.? And if 'performance' based, do you measure by what pellet you are using at all, altitude, weather, shooting experience? I think there are a lot of variables here that may not be being discussed.
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Just 3?......What not 4?.....Two accurate PCP`s in .177 and .22 and two accurate springers in .177 and .22 also. That`s all I`ll need.
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Stanley,
I know you use the metric system up there in Canada but you say all you need are 4 yet you obviously have at least a dozen! LOL Kind of like my wife celebrating the anniversary of her 29th birthday! YOU ARE IN DENIAL MY FRIEND! There is no way you are going to limit yourself to 4 rifles!
Andy Wong aka larspawn