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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Back Room => : VINNY January 17, 2010, 03:00:08 PM
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I've been kinda looking at these. Just for plinking and maybe customizing.Dont know a lot about them, but have heard nothing but good things.Tons of custom things for these.Anybody have one? From what I hear, I'm the only person that does'nt!
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Just got back into 22lr rifle shooting/plinking. I'm definitely not a competitive shooter so I'm not inclined to pick up a Aushulz, Cooper or even a nice CZ. I'm more into the mid range sporter class....anything that can give me 1 1/2" to 2" groups out to 100 yards. I've been reading quite abit of blogs on .22lr rifles....as for the Ruger 10/22 some shooters will swear by them and others don't have too much respect for them. True that they're very customizable but some shooters claim that they're not too accurate out of the box.....and by the time you swapped in a fantastic barrel...great trigger etc....the money you spent could've gotten you a better rifle right from the start. But if you're a tinkerer that'll be a fun gun.
Most .22lr rifles will be accurate out to 50+ yards if you use the right ammo. Past that and beyond 150 yards is whole new ballgame. I'm trying to be accurate up to 100 to 120 yards. My old semi-auto Marlin model 70 just don't cut it so I'll be picking up one or two new bolt action .22's in the near future....most likely the Marlin 981T and the Savage MK II G. Those rifles are in the mid $200.00CAN range. The Browning T-Bolt is really nice and rumors have it that they are very accurate....but they're $500.00CAN....too hot for my blood.
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I have been bitten by the rimfire bug. I have had a Ruger 10/22 for many years and they are pretty good "plinkers" indeed. I read about more plastic parts on the newer models. Some variability of accuracy is also reported. Something between 1 and 2 MOA is probably the best you should expect, and it will take finding the right ammo for your particular rifle. And occasionally, you will find one that is a MOA or better. As for customization, you can go nuts and easily spend as much as you want on a Ruger 10/22. The most common upgrades would be 1) trigger job and 2) replacement stock, 3) replacement barrel (well, at least the original receiver is still on mine). Hang out on Rimfirecentral.com and you will find tons of info.
As for the cost/accuracy ratio, though, a bolt action CZ-452 American (if you can find one) is the best deal, IMO. The CA-452 American has just been discontinued, though, and is replaced by the CZ-455. I believe that the CZ-452 Varmint (heavy barrel, no open sights) is still readily available new. Many dealers probably still have the CA-452 Americans available, I think, but probably not too much longer. At around $400-500, a CZ-452 with a $20 trigger job will hang with all but the most expensive target rifles.
Other 22's worth considering might be the Henry H001, Marlin 39A or Browning BL22, Grade 1. Those 3 are lever action carbines, and all three will chamber short, long, and long rifle rounds. The Henry is the least expensive, the Marlin the largest with the longest barrel, and the Browning, of course, the highest quality of the three.
The best bang for the buck in any 22LR semi-auto may well be the Marlin Model 60. These have a good reputation for accuracy out of the box and are relatively inexpensive. They have a tubular magazine -- 12 or 13 22LR capacity, I think, vs the standard 10-round rotary magazine on the Ruger 10/22. Ruger 10/22 and Marlin 60 dominate the semi-auto rimfires at popular prices, CZ dominates the bolt actions, and probably a coin toss between the Hennry and Marlin for lever actions.
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Go for the 1022 Vinny. These rifles are a lot of fun. They are inexpensive, semi automatic, and spare magazines are cheap and readily available.
Like the gentlemen have already stated, out of the box, it is not a competition rifle and the first thing you might want to do is a trigger mod. You can buy aftermarket parts for the trigger for under $50.00 that are great. As for other modifications, the sky is the limit.
The only thing I have done to mine is a trigger mod. and put a scope on it. I get nickel sized groups ay 50 yards easily.
I can't think of a gun that is more fun to plink with, and the squirrels hate it.
I would never sell it ,it is just so much fun. snookman
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For a semi, you could do a lot worse than a 10/22... Have had one for over 30 yrs..Been a good rifle...
For a bolt gun, Tula makes a nice one that is reasonable, Russian... Light, on the small side, but is accurate, good trigger and fun.. I shoot mine at 100 and 200 on a regular basis...Fun gun, cheap.. They can be found brand new at some of the gun shows...
Savage has several bolt guns that I wouldn't mind having either.. When some funds that aren't going to aiguns are available!!
73
Semper Fi
Ed
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I don't have. I have a Malin model 60. Mine is an older Glenfield model from the mid '70's with a 22" barrel. The tube mag holds 18 rounds of 22lr. Very nice shooter. Long, slim, and light and easy to handle. Wouldn't trade her for even a custom 1022!
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Ruger 1022. Very rugged. Many after market acessories. Accurate. Handy length. Rotary mags are expensive.
Marlin 60. Good economical 22. Accurate. Basically no customizing available. Longer in length . But still a fun rifle. No mags.
If you don't already have one, the Marlin 60 is a good start.
If you want to "customize" then go with the Ruger.
For repeatable accuracy find yourself a good bolt action. I have a target model .22 with heavy barrel that will shoot through the same hole all day long out to 50 yards. But this rifle is quite heavy and not something to carry around plinking or hunting with.
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there is so much you can do to these thing it is insane just like airguns they can put a dent in your wallet
check out rimfirecentral.com everthing you need to know about a 10/22 is there
if you can get an older one they come with the metal trigger asembly if it makes a difference to you
the auto bolt release and trigger mods are very easy to do a little jb weld to end trigger slop nice clean break
after i did the trigger mod lighten the trigger pull i took it to the gun range she was like a hot knife on butter
i was shooting so fast i had a 50 round mwg mag in it the range officer came out to see of i had a full auto
i told him no its not full auto he then asked if i was bump firing once again no just pulling the trigger as fast as i can showed him he was impressed at my speed and accuraccy at that speed on that day i already had 1100 rounds through her with no cleaning and put anther 1600 rounds through that day never had a malfunction
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The Labrea Tar Pit of .22's. I once asked a friend who was a VERY talented amateur gunsmith why he didn't have one? His answer - "The cost!" When I mentioned that 10/22's were pretty cheap compared to a lot of .22's, he laughed and said, "But, knowing me, by the time I got through with it, I would have over a thousand dollars in the gun!" Good point, that. Unless you set yourself a limit and stick to it, you can easily dump $500-$600 in one. (And, yes, I have one with GM barrel, different stock.)
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10/22s are nice and I've had a couple. But for an out of the box, accurate autoloader I'd go with a Remington 597. They're cheaper and more accurate than a box stock ruger. The only disadvantage is the way you take it down for cleaning. The dual guide rods are a PITA, but an easy work around once you get used to it.
Not as many accessories for the 597. But volquartsen does make barrels and a target hammer for them. Boyds is a good place for stocks too.
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Almost forgot. The new 10/22's have plastic trigger units (guard, etc.) I would look for a decent used gun.
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I love my Ruger 10-22 Deluxe Sporter. It does have some plastic parts. They are fine. Ask any Glock owner, modern plastics have little downside.
The Deluxe Sporter (DSP) has a walnut stock, and does not have the (ugly) plastic band holding the forestock to the barrel.
I went to the gun store with a Marlin in mind. Comparing and handling the two, I certainly hope the Marlin is accurate, because it feels and looks pretty sad. I put a Volquartsen hammer and a plastic buffer in mine, mounted a BSA scope on a Weaver rail. Haven't really done any serious accuracy testing, but I easily outshot my brother in law with his Marlin.
I have shot my brother's CZ bolt action. Very accurate. Not as much fun as the semi-auto to me. You may find quite a few who slam the very, very popular Ruger, but it is a great gun (and so is the Glock 19, Tommy!).
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Thanks for all the info. I do have a Marlin 60w. I bought it in 1995. It's a great weapon. I've just heard so much about the Ruger 1022, and the people I have asked LOVE them.They wont let them go! I do want to fix it up. Make it look tactical. I would buy a used one if I found one, but I would'nt know how to spot a bad one.Besides, they have them for around $218.00 at a sporting goods store I found Sunday. I will price check them.I like .22's, and it would be fun to mod it.I was told NOT to buy one from Walmart because they are not the same as if you get them from a sporting goods store. "Walmart Specials" is what I've heard. Any truth to that?
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There are some "Walmart specials" but my understanding is that some of the stainless ones were good deals. Go to rimfirecentral, read all about them there.
The current models for the past few years have more plastic in the trigger group, and some adverse opinions about same.
If you want to mod a .22, there is no better choice than the 10-22. You can make it look like anything you want, with more options to customize than any other gun on the market.
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If you want a fixer upper, get on rimfire central, and check the classifieds. There are alot of finished or almost finished guns, that you could buy for less than the sum of the parts.
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There are no "Wal-Mart" specials as far as cheaper parts are concerned. Wal-Mart just buys so stinking many of them that they get a volume discount.
Seems like the main reason most people buy a 1022 is just so they can fix it up. My wife's uncle has an all original 1022 from way back. No custom parts. It's a nice little rifle, but the Marlin is just a whole lot nicer. Probably why there are so few custom parts for the model 60. Plus you don't have to worry about losing the magazine!
Me. I still like the old-school squirrels on my old Glennie.
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Another vote for 10/22... I have a stainless one, maybe 15 years old. I like the La Brea Tar Pit analogy! Added folding synth stock, see through scope mounts, scope, sling, Harris bipod, various capacity mags. I remember buying it in Florida on a business trip, because California had passed the stupid waiting period law for long guns. Gee, that's really worked well....
It doesn't get much use since I got into AGs, but I used to be able to sling it over my back folded up, while I carried the 12 ga. at the ready in the field for quail. Great for long range jacks, or ground squirrels. Still a fun little gun and a decent shooter.
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10/22 are nice rifles and can be mad to be tack drivers and are limitless on mods
if you want a bolt gun thats deadly accurate try a marlin mod 25N
i have one and it is the most accurate 22 ive shot open sites 50 yards hits nickles 9 outta 10 shots put a scope on it less than dime sized groups
my buddy had one also his was just as deadly
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My favorite hunt is squirrels and my favorite gun is the 1022. Some need a bit of trigger work but mine is just fine. It is a a head shooter for sure on tree rats. Can shoot the center out of a nickle size target at 25 yards and 5o yards. Sort of depends on what you want to shoot? At 100 yards I would not be afraid to put it up against most 22's. A good bolt action such as a CZ or so will probably be better for longer ranges. I have a metal framed stock and shroud and flash suppressor on the gun but the rest is stock. easy to work on and a great hunting gun as it is light weight and a good scope will bring those tree rat down from the tallest tree. Mine is about 6 years old and never misses a lick. Great gun in the medium price range. This is one gun I will always keep!!
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My squirrel gitter
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Your model 60 is still a fine gun and there are a few tricks to make it shoot better. Check out Rimfirecentral.com. They can steer you straight. The WalMart Specials were actually special runs that WalMart had Ruger make up for them. One, which I kick myself for passing on, was a black/gray laminated stainless Mannlicher or full-stock. Another was a stainless sporter but with a 22" barrel and beech instead of walnut stock. I have the stock on mine and it looks good. They might have had some laminated carbines, too. Guts are still the same.