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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => Back Room => : onemountain April 04, 2010, 06:23:29 AM

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: onemountain April 04, 2010, 06:23:29 AM


First off, loooooooong time no post for me! Been busy busy busy busy. Ugh. Nice to see y'all somehow managed to keep the forums going without me, or really I should ask if anyone here remembers who the heck I am lol.



Anyways, I'm looking to get a .22 backpacking gun this summer. While I've always been a bolt action sort of fellow, I'm leaning toward an autoloader for this one.



Now, this forum has its fair share of differences of opinion, but they're civil and some sort of consensus can usually be established. But after hours and hours of skimming rimfire/firearms forums, apparently no one can agree on .22 autoloaders. At all. Ever.



The three I'm interested in right now are:



Ruger 10/22



Marlin model 60



Remington model 597



The problem is that a thread debating the 10/22 and model 60 typically seems to go something like this:



MarlinDude: My model 60 is, like, sooooooo awesome.



RugerGuy: Pishhh. Whatever. My 10/22 is like, so awesomER!



MarlinDude: yeah right! My '60 is stock and totally outshoots a stock 10/22!!!



RugerGuy: My 10/22 can totally outshoot your model 60!



MarlinDude: That's only cuz you got a replacement barrel.



RugerGuy: A stock 10/22 could kick your silly little 60's bum any day!



MarlinDude: You mean when it's not jamming!



RugerGuy: Jamming?! 10/22's don't jam. But Marlins do!



MarlinDude: Um, your just jealous cuz your 10/22 is so ugly!!



RugerGuy: Nuh uh!



MarlinDude: Yeah huh! *makes face*



RugerGuy: No, your model 60 is ugly, and so are you! *thumbs nose*



MarlinDude: *bans RugerGuy*



RemingtonMan597: Why are you guys so mean??



MarlinDude: *Bans RemingtonMan*



MarlinDude: *logs off to go play troll on a 10/22 forum*





..you get the idea. So, any advice on which of three to go with? I'm not interested in adding all sorts of fancy-dan upgrades. I just want something that shoots accurately and reliably out of the box.



One other thing: what's the length of pull on each of these cute little devils?



Thanks in advance, folks!

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: Dave1899 April 04, 2010, 07:42:41 AM


Not on your list but I have a Marlin Papoose which is a GREAT back packing rifle. Check it out. YouTube - Marlin Papoose .22: Top Survival Rifle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32FgaIb66bM) Other wise I like the Ruger 10/22 cause you can do so many things to it to customize to your likings (http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif) The Model 60 is a good rifle as well and holds 17 rounds in the tube where the 10/22 has only a 10 round mag. The LOP is13 3/4" on the 10/22 and about the same with the Model 60.



I like your Forum scenario...LOL Have you checked out Rim Fire Central ~~~>RFC Home (http://"http://rimfirecentral.com/)?

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: Jerrycup April 04, 2010, 08:13:38 AM
Yes, I resemble that. The Marlins are sorta sickly looking little things. My Ruger 10/22 Deluxe Sporter is far better looking, and shoots great. ;-)

Ruger also makes a "compact" version of the 10/22.

Ruger LOP for standard carbine it's about 13-3/8". On the compact rifle it's 12-3/4". The barrel on the compact is about 2 inches shorter.

My brother likes his bolt action CZ rimfires. I can tell you the CZ452 in 17HMR can give you a one inch pattern at 100 yards. Have not shot the .22, but I wouldn't think of these as a backpacker.
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: airiscool April 04, 2010, 09:19:10 AM
If your gonna backpack what about weight ??

I should think that number of rounds it will hold and length of pull are not as much a deal breaker as simple, reliabile, and light weight.

Kid who worked for me does alot of back packing. He's 6-3 tall, already had a Ruger 10-22 , but he bought a Papoose for back packing. He said the Ruger got heavier and heavier the farther he hiked, and in the woods it was more of a pain to clean if it got dirty, or dry off if it got wet.

Paul.
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: TCups April 04, 2010, 09:36:40 AM
What is your budget?
Open sights?
For "backpacking" a 22LR, I might be inclined to suggest you consider a pistol (Browning Buckmark) or maybe something like a Ruger Charger.  If, instead, you are looking at a rifle, you might want to look into a Browning SA 22R takedown rifle.
: about the papoose..
: onemountain April 04, 2010, 09:40:03 AM
if one takes down and reassembles the rifle, does a scope lose its zero?
: well,,,
: onemountain April 04, 2010, 09:43:11 AM


I have a bit of a hand tremor that rules out pistols for me if I want much accuracy, else it'd be a no-brainer to just throw in a kit gun :(



as for budget, I really want to keep it under $300, preferably under $250



And ya, I like 'em with open sights, even if I scope them. Just in case. Plus open sights are more fun :D

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: jay morgan April 04, 2010, 10:00:48 AM
All the things said above are true,10/22 more compact,marlin easier too load, and like you said not interrested in modding(10/22 by far), front site of marlin to wide for my likeing(I have 2) & I use scopes on them,if weight is not a prob. cz is very nice& acc. as heck & for semi look at a t/c benchmark, both of this are adult size & nicely built (my t/c's one target the other a nice hunter) can & do shot 1/4  10 shot groups 50yds all day, the benchmark with a sweet-22 scope(bullet drop adj. turret) hits all clay bird fragments at 200 yds no jokeing, if lite is it paposse or A/R7 charterarms (I think still making it if not someone is). if it's just for pottihg why not a 22. pistol??? LATER ON !!!!
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: shady816 April 04, 2010, 10:05:35 AM
not a .22 but the savage low budget .17 HMR weight is the same as 10/22 with a bolt but i think it is available as auto and is far more accurate than .22 at any range.... JUST MY 2 CENT.
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: jay morgan April 04, 2010, 10:08:25 AM
I would debate that, Hey we sound like the other post he read LOL ?
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: Bogey April 04, 2010, 10:22:22 AM
I do believe that the 10-22 is a more robust system than the Marlin 60.    However, buy what you like.   And if you don't like your 1st choice, then sell or trade  for the 2nd choice.

And it is good to have you back with us.  Hope you stay this time.
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: patton123 April 04, 2010, 11:20:23 AM
10/22 hands down the WINNER !!!  They offer a nice side folding stock which would make it perfect for your needs.

Forgot to add. The new 10/22 have a plastic trigger and trigger guard.     I went out and bought one more w/ the metal trigger & guard, still NIB....can't have to many :emoticon:
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: North Pack April 04, 2010, 12:18:56 PM
http://www.survival-gear-guide.com/Survival-Rifles.html
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: Big_Bill April 04, 2010, 01:27:58 PM


I don't want to twist your head, but...



The rifle hase been my favorite "survival rife" since they were first made, and I have the 10/22, and other .22 cal. rifles.



Now if your talking about a stump shooting rifle, that's a story of a different color !



The Henry U.S. Survival rifle as it is now called, is currently manufactured by Henry Repeating arms in New York. It is an ultra-compact, ultra lightweight rifle that quickly dissassembles into 3 parts,and fits inside its own buttstock. The gun comes finished in camo, black, and for some reason, Silver? ...not sure what the thinking was there.



The buttstock will alsoaccommodatetwo 8 round clips. No special tools are required to break down or assemble the weapon. Durability has been maximized by coating the internal parts, as well as the ABS covered steel barrel, withTeflon. The buttstock madefrom black polymeris marketed as waterproof andimpervious toweather, however some owners have occasionally reported otherwise.Thegrooved receiver riballows forscope mounting, however there is no room to keepthescope in the buttstock, so itmust be stored / carried separately. The Henry survival rifle is purpose built as a survival rifle, originally intended for useby pilots, butis widely recognized and used by outdoorenthusiastsof all kinds.

(http://www.survival-gear-guide.com/image-files/henry-logo.jpg)







~ Can be taken down intovery compactsize.
 ~Durableconstruction.
 ~Ultra Light - 2.5 lbs.
 ~Affordable price.
 ~8 round magazine capacity. detachable.
 ~ Accuracy suffers with light weight& removable barrel.
Caliber:
Operation:
Stock:
Capacity:
Finish:
MSRP:
.22LR
Semiauto
Polymer
8 rds.
Blk / Camo / Silver
$205

HenrySurvival Rifle

(http://www.survival-gear-guide.com/image-files/henry-survival.jpg)
courtesy Henry Repeating Arms Company





Bill

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: RedFeather April 04, 2010, 01:57:54 PM


Out of the box -



Marlin is more accurate. Trigger cannot be worked much. Needs cleaning regularly to keep it working well.



10/22 is OK but not quite so accurate. Easy to rebarrel with a match chamber, but may need new extractor. Basic gun is vastly improved with aftermarket trigger and/or hammer. You can add the bells and whistles later, if you want.



597 had a lot of jamming/misfeed and even rim blowout problems on the early guns. New mags are supposed to be ok. You can also get new barrels and triggers for these. Seem to be better guns now.



CZ452 will run you $300 - $350, especially since they are being replaced by the 455. They make a cadet model with short barrel and LOP that would be a GREAT backpack gun. Can be had for about $300, used and in good shape. These guns are accurate and the stock trigger is pretty decent. (You can get a spring and shim kit for about $20 to make them even better.)



I recently looked at one of the survival rifles. Pretty crude compared to the others. It's a basic gun but that's about it.



You won't find a Browning takedown in your price range. Not even a Remington 241 (same gun from the 30's/40's).

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: michael90t April 05, 2010, 01:54:36 AM


Pretty much agree with everything Redfeather said there....



I have a model 60 my pops bought me prolly 23 years ago or so.... has had a ton of ammo (I would honestly say somewhere in the area of 10,000 rounds if not a bit more..) through it and is still a little tack driver... does get cruddy pretty fast but then every autoloader I have ever shot does so... trigger is good but not much you can do to it besides some carefull stoning and polishing....



10/22 great little rifle not as good right out of the box but if you like to hotrod well they make everything under the sun for these beasts and if you can dream it, it can probably be built on this action....





no experiance with the cz's but they make good stuff and you hear good reviews about them so prolly cant go wrong with one





And then also have to add another vote for the Thompson Center rifles.... like dad says he has both the benchmark and the hunter... the Benchmark is capable of some EXTREME accuracy and I mean extreme! think dad has a couple targets hanging on the wall he shot I will take some pics and post them next time I am over there... but its a finicky beast with its match cut chamber....



the hunter is probably the most accurate "normal" autoloader I have seen.... its honestly not far behind the benchmark and really seems to be reliable.. normal chamber but its held to some pretty tight specs....

: Okay, time for some follow-up questions...
: onemountain April 05, 2010, 08:23:24 AM


first off, thanks to those who reminded me of the take-down .22s. They certainly look handy as lightweight, compact guns. I especially like the papoose.



A backpacking rifle to me is to be used to supplement the food supply I carry in, whether as a matter of choice (dehydrated stuff gets old fast) or necessity (survival). This is why .22 is good- you can take a body shot on a small critter without necessarily destroying a lot of meat.



Which brings up .17 HMR and .17 HM2.



.17 HMR seems a bit much to me for shooting critters for the purposes of eating them, having seen what it does to smaller critters with body shots.



Now, it ain't gonna fly here to say "so just shoot 'em in the head!" Maybe I'll be cold and shivering, maybe the intermittent tremor I have in my hands will be bad, maybe I'll injured and just not able to hold very steady- I'm not going to assume I can always make headshots, so whatever cartridge I use needs to be ok for body shots.



This brings up .17 HMR gamepoints. Are these ok for something rabbit sized (maybe smaller??) for body shots? Or are they still too destructive? I don't know anyone who has used them.



And that in turn brings up .17 HM2. Would a .17 HM2 gamepoint be permissible on small critters with body shots?



the .17 caliber rimfires seem to be great for in the field hunting for food IF they aren't too destructive with body shots. (Who wouldn't want a nice, flat trajectory, eh?) Soooo, how do they do with body shots with those fancy li'l gamepoints? I'm probably talking under 100 yds here too.



Thanks in advance (again) folks.



BTW, if you have any rifle suggestions in the spirit of this thread before this post, go ahead and feel free to share them. This isn't meant to terminate the first half of this thread.

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: joe-joe guns April 05, 2010, 09:05:49 AM
I have my favorite cause it's the one I own and nobody's mentioned it.........Springfield Armory M6 scout  I don't have a link but googled it and got a bunch of links.Breaks down with one quick pin,built in ammo storage,dual caliber and you can fire it with gloves on.Good enough for the US Air Force is good for me.
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: Jerrycup April 05, 2010, 11:35:55 AM
TCups has one of those. IIRC, it can swap barrels and shoot .410 shotgun shells. It was labeled Springfield Armory, but was made by CZ. Looks pretty functional (read that ugly as sin) and I would guess it could be a great survivalist tool. Is this gun still in production?

Tommy can tell us how it shoots...
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: shady816 April 05, 2010, 11:37:54 AM
hi onemountain    i shoot a 17hmr all the time, mine is the savage bvss and i have taken just about every small critter under the sun with it and the 17 grain vmax hornady do not have a whole lot of devistation under 100 yards. the bullet is still traveling to fast for great expansion on rabbit/ squirrel size critters but foxes coyotes and such with large enough bones the 21 grain vmax will nearly decapitate them with good shot placement and remember you can buy 100 rounds of .22 for what it cost for 50 rounds of .17
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: TCups April 05, 2010, 11:45:03 AM
Springfield Armory no longer makes the M6 (or imports them -- mine was actually made by CZ).  You can find them used -- at a premium (Holy Cow!!).

The Springfield Armory site does make a nice ballistic nylon case for the survival rifle.  And by adding various 22S, L, LR rounds and both 410 ga. shot shells and rifled slugs, it becomes pretty darned versatile.  Anywhere from "stealth plinker" with CCI CB Shorts or Longs, to "deerslayer" with a rifled 410 slug.  I keep about 4 different boxes of 22LR ammo and one box or 410 shells in the nylon case, along with the loads stored in the rifle's stock compartment.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=163435937

http://www.oldjimbo.com/survival/v-shrake/m6.html

http://www.springfield-armory.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=23
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: airiscool April 05, 2010, 11:58:14 AM
17 vs 22 cal ?

If it was me...

22 ammo costs less, has more choices of ammo types and weights, and more places to buy it from. Slower, heavier 22 is less likely to be deflected shooting in brush where the critters are most likely to be.

And...does the gun you want even come in 17 cal ????

Paul.
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: shady816 April 05, 2010, 12:01:24 PM
i like the t-cups contraption if you can get the 410 slugs out of it now your chances of servival just got better.
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: airiscool April 05, 2010, 12:06:09 PM
Is the CZ version as heavy as the original Springfield version ???

If so, the Papoose is over a pound lighter.  It's light weight (3-1/4 lbs) combined with the ability for a quick follow up shot is why my backpacking former employee chose it over any other survival type rifle.

Paul.
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: TCups April 05, 2010, 12:47:31 PM
Not sure . . .   Mine is blued, actually probably Parkerized -- a matte black finish.  I suspect it may be lighter than the stainless steel version, but I don't know.  I suppose I could GUOMA and weigh the rifle for you.  I think I am going to follow the example in the survivalist post and wrap mine in some paracord too.  I like the ideal of putting fire starting equipment in an empty shot shell, too.

 . . .

4.5 pounds with a full load of 15 x 22LR's and 4x410 shells.  It also occurred to me that perhaps a Fenix LD01 flashlight might fit in one of the 410 slots -- it won't.  But it will surely fit nicely into one of the sleeves of an elastic shell holder on the side of the stock.

And compared to all the other "survival" rifles, the extra pound of weight for the 410 barrel and receiver is a good trade off, IMO.  I can probably feed myself a lot easier adding a shotgun to a 22LR -- wing shots are now a possibility.  And a 3/4ths OZ 410 slug is pretty potent, too.
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: shady816 April 05, 2010, 12:56:21 PM
is yours the pack away in the stock survival rifle?
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: TCups April 05, 2010, 01:02:23 PM
No -- it folds, or with removal of one hinge pin, it breaks down into two pieces.  The firing pin can be positioned to shoot either the 410 or the 22LR or put in a middle "safe" position.  I suppose it could be carried pretty safely with both chambers loaded.  The rear sight filps from a V-notch (410) to peep sight (22LR).  I have shot the .22LR and the 410 with #7.5 shot, but I am negligent as I have not sighted in with 410 slugs, which is something I should definitely do.
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: joe-joe guns April 05, 2010, 01:27:31 PM
I have the stainless springfield version..22 and 410. when I bought the place had a mountain of them 199.00 out the door blued or stainless.You also had the option of .22 mag with a .45,I wish I would have bought a few before I couldn't,but at least I got one.Don't forget the built in sling mounts.
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: jay morgan April 05, 2010, 02:09:12 PM
hey mr. onemountan back too what you asked,A 17 runs out of speed at 100 yds(lite bullet you know)still effecetive but runs low on power,Ive been told not good on kills beyond that? I really think you will be better off with 22 & yes a 17 up close is very destructive on meat(body shot a treerat & you better like head stew). TAKE CARE SIR.
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: jay morgan April 05, 2010, 02:28:23 PM
MY other 2 cents , if you like the idea of the 22 /410 the above posts are talking about, look at an old stevens drilling gun a term for over& under,break open 22 on top 410 lower barrell, & I believe they are still made by someone can't remember who(getting old & forgetful),I think in .22mag & 20ga. also?
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: Dave1899 April 05, 2010, 03:09:43 PM


onemountain - 4/4/2010 5:40 PM if one takes down and reassembles the rifle, does a scope lose its zero?



Nope, it stays the same as long as you use the spaner wrench provided to ensure a snug assembly.

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: airiscool April 05, 2010, 11:20:48 PM
Tcups,

".............I can probably feed myself a lot easier adding a shotgun to a 22LR -- wing shots are now a possibility. And a 3/4ths OZ 410 slug is pretty potent, too. ................."

 :D  :D

Ever try to wing shoot with an ill fitting 410 rifle ?   That's a good way for a novice wingshooter to starve. :D

Yes, 410 slugs at woods range hit like a 30-30. My brothers late father-in-law used to poach deer on Long Island during WWII rationing. He said he prefered the 410 over his 30-30 because it didn't sound like a 30-30 and bring the Ranger around.  :D

Only problem is 410 slugs are illegal for large game hunting in NY and possably elsewere ????

Paul
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: airiscool April 05, 2010, 11:25:11 PM
Jay,

".........MY other 2 cents , if you like the idea of the 22 /410 the above posts are talking about, look at an old stevens drilling gun a term for over& under,break open 22 on top 410 lower barrell, & I believe they are still made by someone can't remember who(getting old & forgetful),I think in .22mag & 20ga. also? ..................."


I believe your thinking of the Savage model 24. It's more of a full sized gun and too heavy for backpacking. It was one of the models looked at by my employee and passed over for that reason.

Paul.
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: airiscool April 05, 2010, 11:36:18 PM
Shady,

The Papoose is an off-shoot of that AR-7 civilian version and the AR-5/MA-1 Air Force proposed survival rifle, but doesn't have the "store all in the floating stock" capability of the original AR-7 and it's varients

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlin_Papoose

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-7

Paul.
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: airiscool April 05, 2010, 11:45:54 PM
Here ya go, the current production version of the original Air Force MA-1 survival rifle. It's compact and water proof like the original, and it's 3/4 lb lighter than the Papoose.

http://www.henryrepeating.com/h002_survival.cfm

Henry Repeating Arms has tooled up to manufacture a new and improved version of the famous U.S. Air Force AR-7, now known as the Henry U.S. Survival rifle. This compact and lightweight sportsman’s rifle is ideal for all outdoorsmen, including campers, backpackers, hunters, fishermen, boat owners and target shooters. And it can still serve its original purpose as a survival rifle for pilots.

Paul.



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: shady816 April 06, 2010, 03:23:45 AM
thats the one i was refering to my inlaws brought one over to shoot and was suprisingly accurate within 50 yards and very light packed away.
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: crowpopper April 07, 2010, 04:08:21 AM
i have a Henry survival rifle
i have it for back packing it is like 2.5 lbs all goes in stock whick is water tight and floats

it has 2 8 round clips that also store there
it is accurate enough for nailing rabbits .birds. squirrels at under 40 yards  50 with a GOOD shot
but it jams with cheap ammo
i had good luck with cci veicitor and cci stinger  both high speed rounds
it is a neat lil gun and has a Peep sight on it the bbl is all composite with a rimfire bbl liner in it
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: Magnum April 07, 2010, 06:38:09 AM
Hey there onemountain:)  
   I concider the 10/22 as the pick mainly because you can tinker with it and improve it easily, I saw a ruger charger/pistol stock 10/22  the other day and thought it would make a good  backpack .22,  not sure on accuracy but may be ok?
   I wore the stain off the wood and the blue off the metal carring a .22 browning pump when I was a young lad,  it was very accurate and light weight..wish I still had it:(  as another thought..Henryarms make a pump,  may be a light weight option ? Tony
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: RedFeather April 07, 2010, 07:41:14 AM


Put another hundred or so to the price of a Henry pump and you can buy a decent used Browning takedown. Or even find a good Remington 121 or Savage 29B. Those Henry's aren't cheap, except I think the basic design is kind of cheap, in itself. Last Henry pump I saw for sale was well over $300 if not close to $400.

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: PeakChick April 07, 2010, 02:00:18 PM
I have had several 10/22s, great little rifles and mine were accurate. I have a Remington 597, and am very fond of it. Open sights are pretty much out with the 597. I don't recall that they have a model with open sights, (correction, I just looked at the Remington site, the 597 is offered with open sights). I bought my 597 to fill the autoloader void I had since I hadn't had one in a while. I think the 597 is a better rifle and a better value (in stock form) than the 10/22 these days.

Another option that you might consider is the Henry lever action rifle, in it's base model. I have one and it is sweetie. This is a compact rifle. It comes with open sights, and you can easily mount a scope on the integral rails on the receiver. It has the slickest action of any lever action I have ever shot. I bought mine used at a gun show quite a few years ago. I really don't have any idea what they sell for new now.
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: RedFeather April 08, 2010, 12:51:15 AM
They are still fairly reasonable. I almost bought one used, myself, for a pretty low price, but did not like the plastic front barrel band. (I think they have changed that.) The design is not new, being the old Erma from around 1970. If you want a lever, the Marlin 39A is, hands down, the best around. Of course, it will be a couple of hundred more than the Henry but, spread over the time you own and enjoy it, that works out to not much more per year. Plus it will still be going strong fifty years from now, a witnessed by how many are still doing yeoman service.
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: DaveShooter April 11, 2010, 01:13:16 PM
I got or needed to part ways with one of my babies a Beautiful 39A, It looked brandnew back in Nov09, So a couple months ago I replaced it with a CZ452 Ultra Lux with an almost 30" barrel. This rifle would of out-shot my marlin. And boy did I love my marlins use to have a collecton like you wouldn't beleave. I have been happy with this CZ after I cleaned bolt she feeds shorts to stingers from the mag like a dream even though it is marked 22lr on barrel. It shoots them all.....
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: jwh2 April 12, 2010, 12:36:37 AM
DaveShooter - 4/11/2010  7:13 PM

I got or needed to part ways with one of my babies a Beautiful 39A, It looked brandnew back in Nov09, So a couple months ago I replaced it with a CZ452 Ultra Lux with an ....


My 39A and my 452 Varmint (17HMR) are my 2 favorite rimfires. I can't imaagine parting with either. I put a Timney trigger in the CZ and she is now near perfect.

James
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: DaveShooter April 12, 2010, 04:06:41 AM
Yes it was tuff to part ways with my 39A. Needed cash if ya know what I mean.. CZ is a shooter for sure.....
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: jwh2 April 12, 2010, 09:01:00 AM
DaveShooter - 4/12/2010  10:06 AM

 Needed cash if ya know what I mean.. CZ is a shooter for sure.....


Been there, done that.

Have you tried any of the CZ pistols? I have a 75 SP01 Tactical that is a dream to shoot. It's now my bedside pistol.
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: DaveShooter April 12, 2010, 03:47:44 PM
No I can't say i have. I had about everyone but a CZ handgun . Hear they are great pistols for sure.... I guess alot of other gun companies copy the CZ design.... Sounds like a nice one ya got.... :)  :)
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: TCups April 12, 2010, 11:09:23 PM
My rimfire collection:
Pistols:  S&W Model 41, 6"bbl, Browning Buckmark, 6" bull barrel,
Long guns:  Browning A-Bolt 22LR, Browning SA 22LR takedown, CZ-452 Varmint 22LR, CZ-452 Varmint 17HMR, Marlin 39A 22S,L,LR, Ruger 10/22 22LR w/ KIDD 20" 0.92 target barrel & KIDD trigger group, Remington 511 22S, L,LR.
Most accurate?  CZ-452 Varmint 17HMR.  Most accurate 22LR? Custom build Ruger 10/22 or CZ-452 varmint 22LR. The Remington 511 is a classic and is also seriously accurate with open sights -- but my eyes are too old to shoot it to its full potential.  The little Browning SA is surprisingly accurate, also, shooting almost MOA at 50 yards.
Least accurate?  Browning A-Bolt.  
Most fun to shoot?  Ruger 10/22 or Browning SA.  
Best hunter?  Browning SA.  
Best 22LR ammo?  Wolf Match Target, CCI Standard Velocity, CCI CB Longs
Worst Ammo:  Remington Thunderbolt
Best bulk ammo?  Federal AutoMatch at Walmart, if you can find it.
Best 22LR Target Scope? Burris FullField II 4.5-16X 42MM w/ Burris Signature Zee rings (although there are many fine scopes out there, depending on one's budget and tastes).
: Re: Hey all!! / need some rimfire advice :)
: DaveShooter April 13, 2010, 02:01:59 AM
Tcup,
        That Remington 511 one fine rifle for sure. I have shot one of those riles and man was it a tac-driver.... Ya got a nice collection :emoticon:  :)  :D
: Thanks!
: onemountain April 14, 2010, 09:43:24 AM


I just want to thank all y'all for your responses to this thread; I got plenty good ones and way more than I expected.



Thanks! 8)  



Oh, and it's good to know at least one person thought my fake forum "conversation" in the first post was funny. For some reason it takes me a lot of courage to try and say anything online in a forum setting like this.

: RE: Thanks!
: KAZ April 18, 2010, 05:33:01 AM
Eric, I understand that you don't want to do any "add on" parts, but I recommend the 10/22 because of your stated backpacking purpose. My 10/22 with a TacSol barrel is feather light, and with a small red dot is one of my favorite firearms. So, with the 10/22 if you ever decide to reduce the weight of your load out it is simply accomplished. Regards, Jim
: RE: Thanks!
: onemountain April 18, 2010, 07:01:50 AM
Unfortunately right now it seems like whichever rimfire gun I'm holding at the moment seems to be like the best one. I'll have to think this over for awhile yet, but I do note that 10/22 endorsements seem to be piling up.
: RE: Thanks!
: RedFeather April 18, 2010, 07:25:47 AM


If you do get the 10/22, take a deep breath and set yourself a spending limit. I once asked a friend who was a very talented amateur gun smith why he didn't have a 10/22? He said, knowing how he was, he would end up with twelve or thirteen hundred dollars tied up in it. Don't laugh, there are those out there with that much invested and more!



On the 5XX series Remingtons like the 511, be aware that the triggers are the most limiting aspect of the guns. Very, very tricky to work and not as much can be done with them as with other designs. In fact, someone who really knew them recommended buying a spare if you were thinking of tuning one, they are that easy to over-do. Plus, nowadays, you can get a nice, almost new CZ452 for what the 511's are going for.

: RE: Thanks!
: onemountain April 18, 2010, 07:43:10 AM


I'm certainly not laughing about the 10/22's potential to become a financial sinkhole. I've seen some of the crazier ones.



And while do trust myself to obey spending limits, there's a little voice in the back of my head that says "are you sure you could resist putting more money into a 10/22..?" I think for the time being I need to count the customization potential as a negative against the 10/22 because I shouldn't be putting money into that sort of thing.



Thanks for counterbalance against the customization crowd Red. Sometimes I need a slap on the wrist or a sharp warning to keep off that sort of track.

: RE: Hey all!! / need some rimfire advice :)
: pindog2000 April 18, 2010, 08:39:24 AM
i been looking at that marlin myself in .22  sweet rifle i would get it
: UPDATE: pulled the trigger...
: onemountain May 03, 2010, 11:37:53 AM


I just got back from the local gun shop with a used Remington 597 (.22 autoloader).



I kinda decided to give up on the idea of an ad hoc backpacking rifle. For one it'd be pricier than other options, and that would eat into the potential summer airgun budget (http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-innocent.gif) Second, I also realized that this last summer I had a job that required me to go backpacking with additional equipment bulkier and heavier than most any rifle. Yeah, the additional weight and bulk aren't optimal, but if I really feel like taking it along I will. That said, it's still not a backpacking rifle. Oh well.



The price was good, but what really won me over in the end was the stock of all things. It just felt better than other .22 autoloaders. And the full-size length of pull was a huge plus. The gun itself is just generally a bit bigger than other autoloaders- 20" barrel, 40" overall. I need to find the serial number and look up the year of manufacture- it doesn't look the same as the current 597 in the Remington catalog.



So there you have it, I got me a Remington 597. Pictures to follow if 1) I can find the camera and 2) y'all convince me they're really necessary.

: Re: Hey all!! / need some rimfire advice :)
: Schmidty25 May 03, 2010, 12:38:40 PM
ahhh.. let us know how accurate that gun is.  I was gonna say go with a 10/22...
: RE: UPDATE: pulled the trigger...
: Dave1899 May 03, 2010, 02:00:14 PM
Congrats on your new shooter. I'm sure you're gonna like it. There's always time toadd a back-packing rifle to the stable in the future(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif)...and yes, pic's are mandatory(http://../jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cool.gif)
: RE: UPDATE: pulled the trigger...
: PeakChick May 03, 2010, 02:16:20 PM
Congrats Eric. I sure like my 597. I don't think it's too big or bulky to be a decent back packing rifle.

Yes, pics are mandatory.