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Having read Gary's piece on 50 Years of Math... it only strikes my own life experience. The preface of his thread speaks of pulling out .08 additional cents when paying for some fast food. I too am guilty of throwing off the mathemtically incompetant...
In my own life I've worked a cash register for far too many years to not have something to say about those in the fast food industry- but THIS is where it bit me in the hiney:
Amongst the many inuendos, plays on words and cameraderie that accompany good cash register etiquette, when people would hand me their cash I'd always say, "now here, I'm gonna show you something those zealots at Jack in the Box can't do" and then coin by coin, dollar by dollar I count their change back to the original amount handed over to me. I'd say I did this for ohhhh, 10 years or so.
One day, a little old lady comes in to buy her smokes and coffee and I spit out the old tried and true about what those idiots at Jack in the Box can't do and I count her back her change. She looks at me kinda funny(like I'm some kind of a savage), snubs her nose at me and walks out the door. Okay. A few moments later she returns with her Jack in the Box attire-dressed daughter who is developmentally disabled and wants me to repeat to her daughter what I'd said about counting back change.
Doh!
I quite apologetically relinquished my statements and promised I wouldn't make the comment again. But NOOOOOO... this wasn't enough for this little old lady now turned "Broom-Hilda" who now asks me to give her developmentally disabled daughter a good sized(irrelevant) cash register total. So, I oblidge and spit-out whatever total I had off the top of my head. She then ordrs me to give the daughter a numerical amount(with oddity change added) to show me that her daughter doesn't need a cash register to do the math and she gives me her answer. I didn't research the numbers until after they'd left- but I'll be damned if that Jack in the Box clad math-whiz wasn't right!
I have yet to see fit to use any of my old plays on words in a public setting.
Matt
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Matt:
You, Gary and others, myself included, have experienced daily the ignorance and slow wit of the younger generation.
I'm going to stake out a position here that is far from politically correct, so you of feint heart or easily ruffled feathers should stop reading HERE.
About 50 odd years ago a man named Shockly, the inventor of the transistor, published a theory that lit a firestorm of controversy.
Clinical evidence indicates to me that Shockly's theory is irrefutable fact. Shockly stated that statistically the population of the industrialized world is becoming less intelligent because the least intelligent people have the greatest number of offspring. The inferior offspring mate/breed with their inferior peers copiously producing ever more genetic mental degenerates. Shockly's practical and humane solution was for the state to offer a generous monetary reward for voluntary sterilization.
It has now become obvious that Shockly's solution has not been implemented and we see and pay for that failure daily. When the weather is fair we see some of these degenerates parading with a phony preacher, as pseudo-christians in front of abortion clinics. There they stand bleating bull$hit while handing out a boxes of pampers instead of a checks of no less than $100,000 each per pregnancy. BTW, I think that this whole abortion thing would fold its tents and go away if the those white Southern Baptist preachers would quit knocking up those little black girls in the Mississippi delta.
In the area of education, apparently many parents have abandoned their responsibility to educate their children and thrown it all on the state. I have a strong suspicion that those that decry socialism the loudest do not home school their children but instead, for twelve and a half years submerge them into one of the most pure forms of socialism - public school. How many who complain about school go to school board meetings? How many allow those huge monolithic new schools to be built where parent, student and teacher are anonymous instead of small neighborhood schools where parents students and teachers are known to one another and accountable to all?
I never cease to be surprised by the number of people who claim to be of christian faith in this christian nation who try to make socialism a dirty word. What is it we hear between 10:00 and 11:00 a.m. each Sunday? So many of those parables through which Jesus tried to teach - were thoughs not about charity? In group, another form of socialism?
If anyone is offended it's your own fault - you were warned. If anyone feels I've made them angry that again is their fault. They are adults and as such I nor anyone else can MAKE them anything, otherwise there would be an unexplainable number of toads bouncing around.(http://../images/emoticons/wink.gif)
My goal is to, with tongue-in-cheek, provoke rational thought from a different angle than what you may be accustomed, not irrational emotion. I've only scratched the surface of the philosophical and hope some of you enjoy it.
Mike
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So if I understand your position correctly, your points seems to be that eugenics may not have been such a bad idea after all, that state sponsored abortion on demand primarily dips into the shallow end of the gene pool, generally sparing the cognitive elite of the social left who really deserve to be in charge, and that the archetypical religious, Bible thumping hypocrites who congregate primarily in the South covertly exchange our choir robes for pointy hoods and are generally responsible for a good many of the unwanted pregnancies anyhow. So why would you think would anyone be offended by your forward thinking?
Teach your children well.
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Go on Machinist, don't stop now. The main problem with socialism is the cost will eventually enslave you, 9.3 trillion debt unless you prefer the 100 trillion unfunded liabilities. Charity is the better way, local owned, local controlled. Then again that brings on responsibilities. Jeep98
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Tcups: I let that point go because we got our Bible thumping hypocrites up here in the north also. Calling from Indiana where we have the history of pointy hoods and white robes also, You in the South just arn't allowed to forget it. Don't feel alone. Jeep98
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One might argue in support of the position that liberal socialism is an indolent and particularly malignant form of racism, as well, tending to enslave for generations those on the government welfare dole.
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Tommie:
State sponsored anything was never mentioned nor was eugenics - eugenics is not voluntary. Actually hypocrites seem to have a pretty uniform distribution.
Neither of the Grand Dragons I was acquainted with ever wore choir robes and what a guy exchanges either sets of robes for was beyond any scope intended for exploration, so you may not understand the my position correctly or Shockly's. The biology you studied in med sch. if not in high sch.
Jumping from choir robes to Klan robes - interesting!
Thanks for trying to think outside of the box - thats what its all about.
Mike
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Ray:
On organized socialism you are absolutely right, that is what is so insidious about it, on the surface it looks harmless and why well meaning people fall for it.
Thank you for thinking outside of the box.
Yes, national headquarters was in Evansville for awhile.
Mike
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That is the insidious part of some forms and because on the surface it appears harmless so many well meaning people fall for it - some even invoking the almighty as they do it.
Thanks for digging deeper, you might get there.
Mike
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Machinist, I just noticed that you are from southen Indiana, the Copperhead territory. I'm close to Twelve Mile, north east of Logansport IN. I'm old and broken down now but shudder at the stupidity of what is going on in this, my country. No common sense from top on down. My rantin and ravin does not seem to be doing any good. Wish you the best of luck. Jeep98
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Intriguing. Very, very intriguing. I'm gonna watch how this plays out... things that make you go Hmmmmmmmm...
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Mike:
William Bradford Shockley (February 13, 1910 – August 12, 1989) was a British-born American physicist and inventor. Along with John Bardeen and Walter Houser Brattain, Shockley co-invented the transistor, for which all three were awarded the 1956 Nobel Prize in Physics. Shockley's attempts to commercialize a new transistor design in the 1950s and 1960s led to California's "Silicon Valley" becoming a hotbed of electronics innovation. In his later life, Shockley was a professor at Stanford, and he also became a staunch advocate of eugenics. (Ref: Wikipedia)
Eugenics: a science that deals with the improvement (as by control of human mating) of a hereditary qualities of a race or breed. (Ref: Miriam Webster)
Hypocrisy is one thing, degenerate Southern Baptist preachers impregnating poor black girls in the Mississippi delta region falls into a different category.
I am still not sure of the point your were trying to make.
The biology and ecology I studied in high school leads me to believe that any mature ecological system, with time, it tends toward less productivity and more complete consumption of the available resources. For example, a corn field is an extremely productive ecosystem. At the end of the growing season, there is hopefully a bountiful harvest of that excess production, unless the insects and birds move in and eat the crop. On the other hand, a southern climax hardwood forest ecosystem is an extremely non-productive ecosystem. Every ecological niche is filled, every acorn eaten, every decayed plant recycled and every plant and animal there has a niche that supports their presence, or else they become extinct.
If you leave 5 pounds of seed scattered around your yard every day, you will attract birds and rodents who will take advantage of the food and the ecosystem shifts until it all gets eaten. Soon you will have a yard full of all the varmints you can feed. If you support social liberalism in general and make available, specifically, an ever-escalating smorgasbord of free entitlement services, like medical care (Medicaid), aid for dependent children, food stamps, unemployment benefits, etc. (all, in the proper context, potentially very good things), the ecosystem shifts. A population soon fills the niche made available by provision of these goods and services. Keep supplying more and more, and the population will increase more and more. And what might you expect to happen if squirrels were given the right to vote and could pass laws requiring homeowners to install and abundantly replenish more bird feeders in every neighborhood?
So, here are my (counter) points. Human life is sacred. The breeding habits of human beings are an individual responsibility. They are not something I wish to control (except for my own) or to have anyone else, governments in particular, control -- whatever their best intentions. I think a strong economy and the potential for gainful employment is much preferable to an expanded "wealth" of social services available to the American underclasses. Services that are funded by government taxes that are disproportionately levied on the most productive of our businesses and citizens, and that are eagerly supported by the "squirrels in my back yard" and the liberal politicians, like Obama, who pander to them.
Now again, what exactly was your point before you digressed into the degenerate southern preacher thing?
PS: We have always practiced religious freedom in the South. You can worship in almost any way you want to, without fear of recrimination or persecution, just as long as you call yourself a Baptist (humor intended).
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The Hebrew nation was a Patriarchy that was supposed to 'look out for their own' although the watering down of scripture to establish control of the sheeple yeildsa governmental socialism paradigm.
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Society is a complex organization, as is a family unit, but neither of these groups flourish as the best they can be while a 'control the sheeple' governer rules, due to the fact that anywhom refuse to be 'sheeple' are controlled more rigidly.
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Examples abound, but the 'outside of the box' thinkers that immediately spring to mind for me are Marconi and Tesla.
You know how they wound up . . . (http://../images/emoticons/frown.gif)
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J:
Excellent!
Marconi and Tesla were amazing men. Although in later years, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a couple of Marconi's radio patents infringed upon Nicoli Tesla's.
While T. Edison was stuck on D.C. current, Tesla had the foresight to see polyphase A.C. as the necessary approach to motor efficiency and a national power transmission grid.
The electrical power generating facility Tesla designed for George Westinghouse is still in use today, a hundred years later, on the Niagara River.
Thanks
Mike
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The 'government is greater' paradigm is how both Marconi and Tesla were scalped of profit or benefit from their work while the designs were utilized by the 'powers that be' without compensation to either of them. . .
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Otherprojects were 'crushed' and like Bourke (http://www.bourke-engine.com/index1.htm), the real potential of these innovative thinkers was never realized.
Sad for the society that could have benefited from their genius, but the 'powers' must rule with an iron {or inthe new militarycase, depleted uranium} fist . . .
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Hey,, J,
Where do you think the verb "Borked" came from? That's Bork as in Robert and "Slouching Towards Gomorra"
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So the 'powers' thumped him on the nose, and crushed his projects.
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Considering the facts that the states with the highest unwed pregnancies, teen pregnancies, and DUI occurrences all happen to be up north, I fail to see where you have room to point fingers.
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Not long ago I caught myself thinking, "Where's Nikola Tesla when you need him?". Tucker got shafted, also. Under Communist/Socialist rule, excellence will not be tolerated. Everyone must operate at the same level of mediocrity. Affirmative action is a good example of this.
BTW, we whites from the Delta aren't the ones impregnating black girls. They're getting impregnated by black men, because they f*ck at the drop of a hat. The fact that their lives are dominated by their genitals has a lot more to do with why they've accomplished so little in the world, than anything "evil whitey" has ever done to them.
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Jeremy:
As I see it, your assessment is a good one!
My initial hijacking of an innocent thread and twisting into the outragious extreme is an example of what government bureaucracy, regardless of party, seems to do with or to an idea that on the surface appears as and starts out as benign or of well meaning intent. The principle of moderation in all things, gets lost on govt. bureaucracy.
Socialist indeavers or "organized group charity" in the form of the Salvation Army or Habitat For Humanity for example, at local level under local control are the most efficient at providing far greater benefit for those in need. But, we on a local level are the only ones that can that can make that possible by contributing either time, money or both to help those most deserving and keep the feds out of it. However, even at a local level, there can be terrible waste. As an example, a church I used to be affiliated with, elected to spend 350K on expansion and "enhancements". The expansion was primarily for larger social gatherings while the enhancements were primarily in the form of decorative gold leaf and if budget permitted, offer pampers to indigent unwed mothers. Now, I don't claim to be a good Christain - not even close - probably wouldn't even see the Cross without my binoculars, but pseudos/phoneys turn my stomach.
The way I see towards any long term improvement in government at all levels and solving most problems, be they health care, environmental, energy, standard of living, or a decreased grey matter population, is through education. Education in a local system where there is more emphasis on the "3 Rs"and teaching saleable skills and all involved are held accountable. Participation in the education system decision making might get us there - apathy won't.
Received several PM's from those who know me and figured out where I was headed in the original post. They chose to stay on the sidelines to avoid the ire and attempts at intimidation that controversial issues have been shown to draw lately.
BTW, getting good people, qualified people, real and genuine leaders to run for todays public office is an issue we might tackle in the future. If I have anything to do with it, you had best hang on, cause it might be a wild ride also.
Thanks for participating.
Mike
Revisions were for typos.
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You'd figure education would be a commodity that would be more highly sought after. Problem is that clinically obese ghetto dwellers shoot each other over a $2 crack rock. That alsohas nothing to do with melanin content of skin, but a deplorable lack of understanding the importance of comprehending cognitive tools like mathematics and communication.
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So where is oursociety weighing in on this travesty? Iseeno 'politicians' giving of their time to teach the ghetto oppressed a better way, but'entitlement' checks are sent each month to assure the cycle of oppressionproliferates unabated!
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J:
I'm still laughing! Pointed and creatively put!
I offer education as a possible long term solution, realizing full well that it may take at least a generation or two to bring about any meaningful change. As it has taken a couple generations for the mess to get this far, I am not very optimistic.
Maybe Thomas Jefferson was really on to something when he suggested or thought it may be necessary to have a revolution every 15 years as a process of republic renewal. Do you suppose that is why those in power are trying to disarm us?
In the mean time, do you have any humane ideas on a shorter term solution and how we look after widows and orphans (rather than "the" widows and orphans)?
Mike
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Why trust media? Their biggest contribution is from advertising, so they feed societies discontentment in order to fuel purchase ofnew fads or fashions to receive more funding from thehighestbidders. What do the discontented in the ghetto desire? Not more education!
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The answer to the problem however,is always going to be education, but it isgoing to be through teachingresponsibility concepts that must alsobe instilled. At some agepoint, it seems less likely that the 'angryghetto' training is going to be reversible, because they've already been told that they're entitled and they'expect' it now.
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People that aren't 'controlled' are also typically more generous than what is found when funds are 'donated' against their own conscious.
As for widows and orphans, theyaren't given a fair shake by the 'agencies in charge', while the 'entitled'that know how to file thecorrect forms doget what they expect - an internment camp {ghetto} restrictedcheck to purchaseanotherdose with.(http://../images/emoticons/frown.gif)
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Now that this thread has slowed down a bit,
Who can answer the question, where and when did this situation start ?
Bill
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Implementation of 'government official interpreter priests'so thatthe word of Godcould be used assheeple control, and refinement of control techniques have continued through every generation. The dumbing down of Americans has been ingrained into the society from the advent of the CRT, one of the most prolific brain wave altering devices ever created.
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Since the 1950's the brainwave patterns have been slowed to a crawl in front of the flickering 'think it for you' entertaintment box. No real need for subliminal messages, because the belief in the glowing box reports is higher than if you were really there.
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I saw it on the box, so it has to be true! Riiiighhht . . . (http://../images/emoticons/frown.gif)
I won't useCRT for exactly that reason.
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I very rarely watch the idiot box. I like some movies. I like some things on DIY and Outdoor Channel. That's about it. I don't get the History (Goverment's Story) channel with my current plan. Figured I'd get the cheapie cheapskate plan, since I watch so little. I'm a bit of a skeptic, I suppose. I don't believe anything I see on the boob tube, unless I can verify it. I don't believe ANY advertisements. I realize that everyone out there in TV and radio land just wants to separate me from my hard earned/overtaxed money, and they can all screw off.
I do my job. I keep my customers and bosses happy by communicating openly and honestly with them, and treating them the way I want to be treated. I mind my own business. I jealously guard my privacy. I love my family and my few friends. I'm not the most trusting person, because I've seen first hand how most "friends" will slit your throat as soon as it benefits them. My close friends are also my oldest friends. My wife and my parents are my closest and best friends. I try to treat everyone I encounter with respect and decency. I wave politely to cops when I see them, only to receive the "F*ck you punk, what are you looking at?" attitude from them.
I think if everyone would treat each other like they want to be treated, this world would be a much better place.
I strive to provide my costomers with the friendly, honest, caring, empathetic level of customer service that is so sadly lacking in this world.
Why is it so d@mned hard for so many people to not be @ssholes?
Stepping off of my soap box now. Have a nice night everyone. Be good to each other. Life is too short.
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Damn... LOOKY what I started!
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Joe, who's the gorgeous woman in the pic?
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"Dream" is RIGHT! I think she's great! In a real quiet sort of way I've been hitting this post to admire her from time to time throughout each day since her first post. Glad someone else chimed-in to ask who she is!
Matt
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I'm new here, but somehow I feel right at home...... 8)