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Offline Gene_SC

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Re: DIY lube
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2008, 12:19:53 AM »
Hey Gerit, many people use different lubes for there tunes but the springer air gun  industries standard lubes are the generally what most of us by from JM. Other's tend to experiment and find there own magic mixture..:) I feel that since the heavy tar and moly has been used by professional tuners for many years why re-invent the wheel.. hehe. Everyone on the GTA has there own opinion whether it be right or wrong, they still have an opinion. :)

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Offline RedFeather

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Re: DIY lube
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2008, 12:43:03 AM »
Sometimes DYI can be a false economy.  Kind of like what old John Ruskin said:

"It is unwise to pay too much, but it is unwise to pay too little.
When you pay too much, you loose a little money; that is all.
When you pay too little you sometimes lose everything.
Because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing you bought it to do.
The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot.
It cannot be done.
If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run and if you do that, you will have enough to pay for something better."

At JM's prices, his proven lube is hard to beat.

Offline Bhawanna

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RE: DIY lube
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2008, 01:02:57 AM »
moe,
have you tried using chainsaw chain lube as a medium?....it has "sticky" characteristics.....just another idea for you to play with....
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RE: DIY lube
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2008, 06:21:39 AM »
Moe it might be that some are concerned experimenting might harm your'e gun. It sounds like you have thought through the risks and accepted them.You already know but will say it anyway Be Safe:)

The most important part of any tinkering is that Pass or Fail you come away with a better understanding of what is doing what. I think failed projects in general have taught me as much as sucsessful ones:)

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Offline TCups

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RE: DIY lube
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2008, 08:40:09 AM »
On reading what is out there about air gun lubricants, it is apparent that the lubricants in modern springers serve two purposes:  lubrication and "fuel".  In microscopic amounts, with a properly cross-hatched compression tube, some lubricant will find its way into the compression chamber ahead of the piston.  Limited dieseling improves the power and velocity of a springer.  In excess, though, dieseling to the point of white smoke or even occasional detonation occurs.  A single detonation is potentially capable of snapping even the best spring. Without proper lubrication, velocities drop and metal on metal wear with damage can result in a very short time.  Non-petroleum based, silicone lubricants will not serve the purpose of providing fuel to higher powered springers. When you experiment with lubricants, you must understand that the right lubricants in the wrong amounts or the wrong lubricants can seriously affect the performance of an air rifle and, indeed, even cause serious damage to a springer after even one or two shots.  Further, lubricants are susceptible to age, temperature, and gravity.  Stand a springer on end for too long, for example, and the lubricants may work their way down to the trigger end of the tube and do no good. So, since for less than half the cost of a single replacement spring, I can purchase enough of the time-tested springer lubricants from ARH to last me an airgunning lifetime, I don't feel the need to experiment with new lubricants.  Instead, my time has been spent in learning the techniques of getting the right amounts in the right places.  But if you do experiment with "new" or DIY lubricants, just be careful and realize that you can potentially damage an air rifle, particularly a springer, if you get it wrong. When in doubt, less is probably more.

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RE: DIY lube
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2008, 08:04:36 PM »
HI ..Moe  that line of thought is the reason we no longer live in caves.
Most fail but enough don't.
I can't get all these fange dangle  lubs down here I make do
with grease with a few drops of a friction reducing additve mixed in.
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RE: DIY lube
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2008, 10:24:03 PM »
Yikes!  Garit - no one takes any offense whatsoever at what you may suggest or ask about.  Lots of tinkerers and plenty of experimenters here on the GTA.  Several master craftsmen, too.  We are all somewhere on our own learning curve.  So please don't feel like you have to lurk or else risk having some know-it-all PO'ed with you.  That isn't the case at all.  All new guys and their questions and comments are welcome here.  Folks are just trying to give you the best advice they can.

If you can find a copy of Cardew's "The Airgun from Target to Trigger" it has a wealth of practical and technical information on airguns.  And lubrication is a whole science unto itself that I for one can't pretend to come close to understanding completely.

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Re: DIY lube
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2008, 11:37:32 AM »
Figured I would put in my two cents. I am sure at one point there were other lubes that were the best now there is Vel tar. moly, and so on.  Look at it from a historical point there is always something better. One lube fits all? With all the differant designs, seal materials, spring steels, & poweer ranges. What might be great for one gun may not be best for another. I would think mechcanical spring dampening with better guides & spring sleeves are better than a gob of tar. How about a hard rubber & plastic coating on the spring . Tar & grease get stiff when cold. I use rubber dampeners on my bow sting not tar. I know apples & oranges, but its still a twang.

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RE: DIY lube
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2008, 03:51:43 AM »
The owner of a forum I frequent is a petroleum engineer and he has given me some good ideas. I always go against conventional wisdom and prefer to find good lubes that are readily available rather than rely on someone who will take his secret formula to the grave. Seems I have a knack for treading in taboo areas..

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