okay, so what DON'T you like about the Trail XL..? (or have you had any problems with yours?)

[HNT5]

About overlubing your gun! I know the manual says to put a drop in every few hundred shots. I've never heard of RMCoil, but if you do use it , use just ONE drop. One is good 2 is not better. That's were people get in trouble and overlube the compression chamber and cause dieseling or detonation. Personnally I would go every 3000 not 300 rounds or longer between oilings. But that's just me.

http://www.air-rifle.net/cleaning/cleaning.html


Nathan

[Gene_SC]

With the gas ram guns yes you should put just a small amount of molly on the seal and a one inch strip behind all around the piston. You may also put a one inch strip of molly on the rear of the piston. Use very sparingly. You just want enough on the seal to shine it up. Your gun during normal shooting will pull the moly forward and actually keep the seal in good condition. But remember use it sparingly. The piston shaft on the gas ram you should use 30wt pure sicone lube and just coat it lightly. If you have clear tar it is a good idea to put a small amount around the gas shock tube towards the front. A little goes a very long way..

[Robert]

RMCoil is the crosman silicone oil, but I had actually never heard it called that either.

Thanks for the link! Great read..

[Gene_SC]

The new air gun user can misinterpret these articles. The articles are based on the old leather seals. And not the new synthetic seals. They simply understate the effects of what it can do to your spingers. Since the beginning of man making parts that move they have always used some kind of lubricants.. Like the old wagon wheels. Beeman, RWS and others make lubing a springer look easy and convienent but the only way to really lube them properly is taking them apart and lubing with molly and tar.

And I know it is always easier to just put a drop or two in the spring chamber to lube the spring instead of taking it apart.. But really you are not improving anything. Springs do not squeak in air guns... Take my advice and do not use any oil in your spingers..

[shadow]

As Gene said do not put the oil in the shooter. :0 Remember that commercial This is your brain on drug's and they tossed the egg in a hot fry pan with oil. The new airgun ad this is your shooter on oil. :0 Ed

[Robert]

Mine seems to be shooting just fine "as is" and since its now broken in and shooting very smooth & accurately it wont get shot much anyhow.. I have other rifles that are much better to plink with.. Maybe in a yr or so when the warranty is up ill take it down & lube it..

Thanks.

[going2fast]

ok now im worried. hello all. new to this site. just purchased the benji trail xp in 22 caliber after reading good reviews on it. unfortunately my bad luck being what it is i got a lemon from P.A. not there fault but the gun would not cock. would bottom out on the stroke but not engage the trigger. so while im waiting for a replacement and my grt 3 trigger from charlie i thought i would do some more research. is this gun going to need a new seal every year or am i reading too much into this? i used to have a rws diana 34[i believe that was the model] for 8 years and never oiled the thing. it was shooting fine when i gave it away.i just want a good reliable hunting rifle.

[onemountain]

Well, I'm under the impression that a seal (if in good shape and properly installed) should last a long time. Like years and years or maybe 8 or 10k shots. But I'm no tuner, and since I couldn't find the answer, let's find out  

What I understand to be the problem with the Benjamins is that some of their seals were nicked when they were assembled at the factory, not that they've worn out swiftly. I dunno the odds that yours will be bad. It might be worth it to just get a new one and install it anyway, since it sounds like these rifles are easy to tear down. Also, that way you won't have to worry about it in the back of your mind.

Oh, and welcome to the GTA! Might I suggest you post a thread saying hi to everyone over in the Airgun Gate?

[airiscool]

Welcome Ricky.

Sorry to hear you got a lemon, but it does happen.

Since the Trails have only been on the market about two months, I've heard no mention of any seals wearing out. As Onemountain mentioned, there have been several mentioned, and pictures posted (mine included), where some of the guns have  seals that were damaged during assembly.  

Even if you get one with a bad seal, Crosman's warrentee service is said to be one of the best in the industry.

And with the Trail XL model, should you decide to fix it yourself, the replacement seals are not expensive, or difficult to change. In fact, the Maccari replacement seals are said, by those extreamly knowleagable in Airgun tuning, to be made of better, longer lasting  material than the Crosman original.

Use the search feature and type in, "Trail XL" and read how many XL's are doing fine, and you'll also see the info on the few that had problems and what the solutions were.
 
Paul.

[wahoowad]

Mine finally bit the dust Sunday. All this agonizing over the possible status of the piston seal became a moot point when my Nitro piston went limp! I was around the 300 shot mark and had all my parts ready to do a seal+lube tune when the cocking effort went from the usual to about 50%. It is currently being shipped back for a full gun exchange as they would not simply send me a replacement Nitro piston or replace just that part.

I took the opportunity to do a complete disassembly. My seal did have some damage - I'll try to post pics but they get fuzzy when I zoom in to make them visible. I saw what Gene posted previously (here ) regarding the ram rubbing inside the piston, also saw where the piston rubbed the chamber wall some too. Really makes me wonder if there is anything designed to stop that or do the gun manufacturers just allow the rear end of the piston to flop around like that? I would prefer a bushing or guide or something. I guess all I can do on the next one is put some moly on those spots?

My seal looked pretty bad compared to Gene's. But my piston chamber looked smooth as glass and would not have needed any work other than along the cocking groove. All and all I still like the gun, like the power I felt for a little while, it was fun to shoot and I personally didn't find the magnum cocking to be a major problem. So I am looking forward to getting my new one back. I will remain a fan of the gun unless the second one has issues too.

[airiscool]

Sorry to hear your's quit.

That seal has as many nicks and is as oily as mine was.

Hope the new XL is a keeper !!!

Paul.

[mlrs_27m]

Mine had that dipped in oil look as well. The JM seal seems much more durable then the factory seal. So far mine has held up(knock on wood).

[rocker1]

my seal in mine looks just like yours, looks like a hole in the side of it sorry pics kinda fuzzy

[wahoowad]

Were you replacing your seal? How did it go? I think that 'hole' is part of the production process like an injection port or something. Or maybe an assembly tool they use? I've seen a very similar mark on other photos.

[airiscool]

Mine has a similar mark in it, but I thought it looked like a crater burned into the seal rather than something to do with injection molding. Since so many have it, maybe it does have something to do with how it was made.

Anyway, the seal lip was chewed up, so now it's got a new Maccari seal. It was easy to install, just a light wipe of silicone grease and it easily popped on the dovetail button on the piston.

Paul