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Offline melloroadman

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Gas spings or struts
« on: March 11, 2008, 02:48:00 PM »
Has any one here personally bought or shot one of these rifles that have been converted from a springer to a strut cartridge ?  Marvin

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RE: Been there, done that.......
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2008, 05:32:08 PM »
Marvin,

I had a .20 R-1 that I had converted to gas strut operation.  This R-1 already had some very extensive tune work done to it.  After the conversion, the firing cycle felt quicker and a tad more refined.  It wasn't quite as hold sensitive as it was previously.  Velocity went up, but not enough to get excited about.  In return for that, I got a lighter wallet along with increased cocking effort, snappier recoil, and unreliable cold weather performance.

Were it not for that last bit, I would have thought the conversion to be well worth it.  Down to 32 degrees there wasn't any issue.  But on really cold mornings, with the temperature below 20 degrees, it proved tempermental with the seals in the strut cartridge failing to do their job.

Most airgun people don't shoot in the extreme cold that I often do, and if that is true for you, then I think you'll find a strut conversion to be well worth the price if you can live with increased cocking effort.  This is especially true if you're doing the conversion on an essentially box-stock rifle.  You'll notice a huge difference in manners. In my case, the before and after differences were more subtle because the rifle that "got rammed" already had some pretty high falutin' stuff done to it.

I know that if I didn't hunt in some really cold places in the dead of winter, I'd have kept my .20 Crusader and wouldn't have much of a need for my pair of R-9s.  In my view, the benefits of gas struts are as claimed by Theoben and folks that use them.

A gas strut conversion doesn't make a rifle more accurate, in my view, but it DOES make it less obnoxious and tempermental and therefore easier to shoot accurately.  Both my strutted R-1 and my Crusader were very forgiving in terms of hold and would allow a bit of sloppy shooting technique and still deliver the goods.  The Cursader would turn in 5 shot 1/2 groups at 50 yards with CPs all day long, assuming relatively calm air and little to no wind.  Pretty darn good for a barrel cocker, I'd say, and I reckon the gas strut operation has something to do with it.  Again, I don't think it makes the rifle more accurate than it would be with a well-sorted metallic mainspring system but it did make it easier to shoot accurately than the typical metallic spring rifle usually is.

And that right there is why I think they're worth it and why I hope that the technology advances to the point where I can get a strutted gun to RELIABLY and CONSISTANTLY discharge in subfreezing temps.

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Gas Ram Gun Ordered
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2008, 11:56:01 AM »
I've been out of the loop for 13 years but recall the gas rams to be special back then.  I just ordered a gas rammed Gamo CFX and will finally get my taste for what a gun of this type can do.  I have two other Gamos that are spring fed and the whole system is basically the same as that of the spring operated CFX.  So I would imagine I could almost compare red apples to green apples soon.  If you want to see a real test comparison watch the video review at Pyramyd Air's site were they compare the Gamo Whisper springer to the Gamo Whisper gas ram gun.
http://www.pyramydair.com/video/

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Re: Gas spings or struts
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2008, 12:05:15 PM »
How much does it cost to convert an R1 to gas ram, and what is involved in doing so? I have a stock one (HW80 sold under the EAA name years ago) that only cost me 100 dollars US, out the door. It's a great springer, but I'd like to make it better. It's not like I have $600.00 tied up in it.
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RE: SETTING ON THE FENCE
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2008, 12:21:45 PM »
Yes this is the ram conversion I am interested in .I have read the customer surveys on the rifle as well. This ram is suppose to work with the crosman quest and storm as well . I talked to P.A. about it to day and the rams are available now. I also called crosman and found out the cost of the parts to help my storm out . A spring ,piston , and seal are under $20 . So here I ponder knowing that the ram would last a long time and smooth the storm out but that's a big difference when I have a smooth RWS 46 to shoot as well . Please let me know how you fill about your rifle after break in . I have already put a GTXIII triggers in the storm so half the battle is over . I also have a 1377 that I converted to a carbine that is so smooth that I started thinking about this springer stuff. I guess I really am trying to make up my mind as to ether try the ram or my first PCP like a crosman disc. Marvin

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Re: Gas spings or struts
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2008, 12:22:14 PM »
How much does it cost to convert an R1 to gas ram, and what is involved in doing so? I have a stock one (HW80 sold under the EAA name years ago) that only cost me 100 dollars US, out the door. It's a great springer, but I'd like to make it better. It's not like I have $600.00 tied up in it.
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Re: Gas spings or struts
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2008, 12:44:14 PM »
Jaymo I can not answer that . The quest and storm I guess share the same Chinese power plant or dimensions at least and that's why this ram will work. P.A. wants $109.95 for the ram. Today I did some searching and I know Theoben makes some conversion rams . May be someone else can answerer your question. Marvin

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Re: Gas spings or struts
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2008, 01:22:23 PM »
Hey Marvin,Tim here :)  Just made my first post here & it "took"!! Great to see a familiar friends name! This is a COOL site!  ALOT of activity!  I have not forgotten about your stock,I am a man of my word,we will make it happen. E-me Tim.

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Hello TIM
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2008, 01:46:22 PM »
Glad to see you over here Tim I see you get around as well. Marvin

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RE: Hello TIM
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2008, 02:03:46 PM »
Thanks for the welcome Marvin! :D  Im getting more comfortable everyday w/my "puter" skills,enough so that I reviseted here tonight & made a post! 8)  Thanks again for the welcome my friend! Ill talk at ya later here, or at the "other place"!Tim.