SamYang Misfire Video Demonstration

[Butcher]

This shows just how easy the SamYang 909/909S guns will go off when you don't want them to. ANY 909/909S!  Pre recall, post recall, guns with the new sear that is supposed to fix the problem.....ALL OF THEM.

It doesn't matter when a 909/909S was made: it is an inherent design flaw involving the sear.

After watching this video, I managed to get my 2tube to go off when I put rearward pressure on the cocked cocking lever while "strumming" it.

Some online friends of mine are working hard on a fix as we speak, since nobody else is fixing this very dangerous problem. Until the fix is made available, DE-Cock your 909/909s when moving around, and use caution. Walking around with a 909/909S cocked is literally a bad accident waiting to happen.

The safety only blocks the trigger. It does NOT block the sear. The sear itself is the design flaw that is causing the misfire.

The 909S used in this demonstration has the post-recall/replacement sear installed. So much for the replacement sear (sheesh).

http://s107.photobucket.com/albums/m295/rzrbax/?action=view¤t=P1010151_mpeg4_mpeg2video.flv

[daved]

Butcher, just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to register here and post this, I know this is NOT your regular forum.  It's pretty cool when someone goes out of their way to post info that could be important to a lot of people.  So thanks again, and I hope you hang out at the GTA at least occasionally.  Later.

Dave

[Gene_SC]

Chris I to want to thank you for your alert to the safety issue. Thanks for a great contribution to the GTA.

[Jaymo]

So I shouldn't play mine like a guitar?(J/K) Will it do it from the low power setting as well? I'll be glad when a better sear is available. I bought mine June or July of last year from PA. It's the 2 tube version. Does that make mine pre or post-recall? So, will the Career 201 and 202 9mm rifles do this also? Just wondering since they are so similar.

[Butcher]

No 909 guns were recalled, only the 909S.  Though the 909 guns have the defect as well.  

     I believe the 909S rifle in the video has the replacement sear that was supposed to fix this problem.  As you can see, it obviously doesn't.

     The recall should be for ALL Sam Yang rifles, as they all seem to share this sear defect (no matter when they were made).  My 909 was tougher to get to go off than this video indicates, but I did get it to go off.

     I haven't tested it on the lower power setting, as I have yet to really use it.  Test yours, and let us know.  Be sure to apply force rearward, in the direction you cock it.  Bet you it will go off if.

[Jaymo]

So apply rearward force while strumming a chord and it will go off. I must admit, I'm not crazy about that potential safety hazard, but I still like my 909 a lot. I do appreciate the heads up you gave us on it. I'd like to see some trigger improvements, in addition to a safer sear. How hard is it to disassemble the 909, and more importantly, how hard is it to reassemble?

[Jaymo]

Butcher, I was looking at your post on the gunandgame forum. Pretty impressive what your 909 did. How do you like the work that LeRoy did to it? I'm wanting to have him power tune mine.
BTW, where are you located? Also, what hollowpoint is that? It looks like a Lyman Devastator.

[Jaymo]

Well, I tried it with mine. I played "Smoke on the water" with my cocking handle and could not get it to go off. Guess I should be happy.

[Butcher]

I'm in (western) Oregon.

     Which post are you speaking of on the GunAndGame forum?  Are you talking about my first coyote?  I had to use a roundball on that one, so the next one should go down faster due to the use of a much better boolit.  Along with nutria and rabbits, I have also taken a corsican ram, and a wild boar with this 909 rifle.

     It does seem like it may be a bit more difficult to get a misfire with the 2tube 909 guns compared to the 909S judging from my own rifle.  I had tested mine once before, and couldn't get it to go off.  

     After watching the video, and hearing that a 2tube 909 had gone off when "strum tested"', I tested mine again.  I almost stopped trying to get mine to go of because I felt like I was just beating my rifle up.  Then it went off right before I was going to stop trying.  I then got it to go off again in no time, at the same angle I got it to go off the first time.  Play around with the angles, and I bet yours will go off as well.

     The 909 is very easy to dis-assemble (though I haven't dared try to remove the valve in mine, and have no reason to).  A beautifully basic/genius design reminiscent of the Colt 1911 in terms of simplicity.  I will send you a link to some instructions.

     If you are talking about the slug in the picture with the calipers; yep that is the 207grain Devastator.  I have a stash of them, but they are in .452.  I am saving them for my next bigbore air rifle (which has a .452 barrel).

     How do I like the work Leroy did?  I don't like it at all, I LOVE IT!  Four or five full-power shots within 6-10fps of eachother is not easy to come by in a bigbore airgun.  With 240grain T/C Maxiballs, I shot a 4 shot string where every shot was between 693, and 699fps.  Very nice to have when hunting multiple animals, and not wanting to drag the pump around for the ride.  His current tune offers about 20 more fpe than my rifle, which he tuned about 2 years ago.

     As far as bigbore air rifles go, the accuracy really cannot be beat.  My best 3-shot group (that I have measured) to date is .45 inch center to center at 50 yards.  That was shot off of the steady stix while sitting on the ground out in the field.  Shot with Mark Whytes .45Slim design sized to .4545, cast in very soft lead.  I may have tied that with the EPP/UG design, but haven't measured many of the groups I have shot with them .

    Most all of my target shooting has been done off of steady-stix, though I have recently switched to a mono-pod for faster acquisition on incoming coyote.  The steady-stix can't be moved around easy enough while hunting.
     
     This boolit may prove to join the ranks of the .45Slims/EPP/UG's when it comes to accuracy.  Shot off the mono-pod at 50 yards kneeling on both knees.  I had changed the zero from roundball, to these 235 or-so grain HP Lyman #454424's (an obsolete mold that is very hard to find).  Things got a bit wobbly for shot #2, which you see over there all by it's lonesome.  The lone shot really aggravated me, but my ride showed up right after I shot this group.  I will do better next time.  The small squares are %97 of .5 inch (printer was set-up to copy at %97 size: DOH!).

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/HollowpointKeith454424009.jpg


     These are the EPP/UG's; an awesome small game boolit.  To my knowledge, I was the first to shoot them in an airgun.  They look like they were designed specifically for air rifles, even though they were actually designed to improve on the performance of roundball for Cowboy Action Shooting.  Followed by a couple of groups I shot after a days hunt.  They are very typical groups, as they are the only two groups I shot that day (off the stix, of course). .6, and .9 inch center-to-center.  EPP/UG's match the speed of roundball, while being a little bit heavier, and probably benefiting from a  better seal.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/DSCN5811.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/DSCN5825.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/DSCN5826.jpg

The .45Slim (currently the "official" accuracy king)

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/45Slim.jpg

The Lyman Devastator

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/DSCN5667.jpg


These slugs (cast by BlackHogDown) are likely the future of bigbore airgun hunting projectiles.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/BHDSlugs.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/BHDSlugs2.jpg

[Jaymo]

It was the post you replied to where you showed pics of the ram, pig, and nutria.

[Butcher]

I'll put the coyote hunt story in the Hunters Gate.