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The Arriviste: EXPOSED
« on: March 20, 2007, 12:18:15 PM »
Thanks guys for the kind words and the interest.

Like Big_Bill said "See if you can get a photo next time, keep a camera handy..."

So this Sunday afternoon I called my daughter and asked her to bring over the digital camera (MY digital camera). After a little haggling it was decided that we needed another one so we went to Best Buy.
She went home with a brand new state of the art Casio and I got to keep the antique Sony.
You family guys already know the drill. You others, just call your ex-wife.
If your payments are up to date, she'll be more than happy to explain it to you.

OK now back to the task at hand. Man, this thing is easy to spot.
There are no leaves on the trees yet so all I have to do is sight down the tree line
and look for the dark blob that doesn't belong.

It doesn't only stay in the tree branches either.
It'll run around on the ground through the brush too.
It's pretty fearless also as I can walk right up to it,
within ten feet even when it's down on a stump, before it gets annoyed.



Can anybody help me identify what kind of hawk this is?
I'm located in north central Illinois. This thing is the size of a big crow.
Looks to me like a cross between some kind of giant-mutant pigeon and a nuclear-grade parakeet.


Good shooting,

Paul

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RE: The Arriviste: EXPOSED
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2007, 12:21:20 PM »
Great pics !!  Beautiful creature

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Re: The Arriviste: EXPOSED
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2007, 02:48:07 PM »
HAY Paul,
 
Great Photos !!!!  I had a feeling that if you have seen it twice, who knows ?

I have looked through my books on birds, and it looks like the Sharp-Shinned Hawk, L- 10.5", Wings- 21".

Now the Cooper's Hawk also looks like your hawk but is larger, L15.5", Wings- 28".

I have had Red Tailed Hawks in my back yard, and in my trees. But every time I have a camera handy or loaded, no show birds.

I'm happy for your success, great photos.

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RE: The Arriviste: EXPOSED
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2007, 04:46:27 PM »
Cooper's or Sharp-shinned, for sure.  I think it's a Coopers.  Hard to say for sure without seeing it in flight.  The two species look almost identical, and a big Sharpie or small Coopers can easily be confused for the other.  We have lots around here, as well as Red Tails, Merlins, Kestrels, Harriers, Bald and Golden Eagles, and Turkey Vultures.  That must be why I almost never see any rabbits or squirrels!

I had a boss that was into falconry.  One of his birds was a Harris Hawk, absolutely gorgeous.  I was "bird sitting" for him one day, and had the bird with me while visiting several job sites.  I was a trip walking around with it, and watching peoples reactions.  They'd see me with the bird, and head over, wanting to get a closer look.  But as soon as the bird noticed them and looked their way, they'd invariably come to an immediate halt.  I think there's something in the old part of our brains that recognizes the supreme hunter/killer that these birds are.  As magnificent as they are, somewhere in our evolution, WE were on the dinner menu!

Great pictures, Paul, and after looking at them again, I'm almost certain it's a Coopers.  The very upright stance is typical.  I am surprised it will let you get so close, makes me think it may have been someones hunting bird at some time.  Most falconers lose or release their birds after a time.  Enjoy, and keep the pix coming!

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RE: The Arriviste: EXPOSED
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2007, 02:38:28 AM »
Thanks for the great info guys. I looked up both birds you've suggested.
From how it stands (tall rather than hunched) and the end of the tail being rounded rather than squared,
I'm thinking that it's a small Cooper's hawk.

daved wrote: "I am surprised it will let you get so close,
makes me think it may have been someones hunting bird at some time."

Yeah, something is definitely different with this bird's behavior. Your thought on this seems to fit.

sources:

Cooper's hawk: http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/i3330id.html
Sharp-shinned: http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/i3320id.html


I vote for the one on the left:



Paul

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RE: The Arriviste: EXPOSED
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2007, 04:13:07 AM »
Paul in some states falconry is allow but the bird must be released at the end of the season (as stated by Dave).
Try cutting some raw meat (maybe fresh squirrel) and placing it on a perch like a fence rail, then back away. if the bird takes the offering you can almost bet that it was trained at some point in time.
Now I'm not saying mess with the bird or anything (don't want to get anybody's feathers ruffled) just a little experiment to see the out come.
Good luck and enjoy the company.
Bart

Just thought maybe the bird was in a rescue center. are there any leg bands?

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RE: The Arriviste: EXPOSED
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2007, 06:23:49 AM »
Hey great pics Paul. I agree it's a Coopers. We have em round here too, and yes, I do believe that hawk is used to people. Just don't get too close to it as it just might take a dive at you ...hehe.

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RE: The Arriviste: EXPOSED
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2007, 08:17:45 AM »
Paul

You got a Cooper's Hawk robbing your targets. You can tell by the rounded tail with thin whitish band at the tip in the pictures with the birds back toward you.

Cooper's and Sharp-shinned hawks mostly eat other smaller birds, but in hard times, well lets just say I wouldn't want to be anything smaller than bear.

Good pictures.

Doesn't your daughter need a new airrifle? hehehe

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RE: The Arriviste: EXPOSED
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2007, 09:09:28 AM »
Well Glenn, as a matter of fact, my daughter got me my first air rifle two years ago for fathers day, a Beeman R7. At first I was a little alarmed when she told me that she bought it from some Tennessee hillbilly, but it turned out to be OK.

This year as a birthday gift she's getting me a QB78T from some Iowa farmer.
I'm a little alarmed again as I've seen his picture, I think he might be a beatnik.



Paul

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RE: The Arriviste: EXPOSED
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2007, 09:53:01 AM »
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Try cutting some raw meat (maybe fresh squirrel) and placing it on a perch like a fence rail, then back away. if the bird takes the offering you can almost bet that it was trained at some point in time.
Bart



I've tried this very same thing with a couple peregrin falcons that are around mine & my father-in-law's property. Both of them took the meat. I feed both of them once a week or so just to see them come around. Now every time they see me they land about 25-30 yards away and just eyeball me for a few minutes. If I don't set anything out, they take off after a while. Now they're to the point where they don't take of with the food. They just sit there & eat half of it, then take off with the rest.

Pretty cool to watch!

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Re: The Arriviste: EXPOSED
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2007, 11:08:31 AM »
Its aCoopers for sure,i have had a couple of them ,excellant hunters,but have a mind of there own,nasty and hard headed,but are good inflight hunters.I would take a red-tail or Gos anyday.
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Re: The Arriviste: EXPOSED
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2007, 11:09:35 AM »
Its aCoopers for sure,i have had a couple of them ,excellant hunters,but have a mind of there own,nasty and hard headed,but are good inflight hunters.I would take a red-tail or Gos  anyday.
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