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Offline daved

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What did I just shoot?
« on: April 09, 2007, 04:20:36 PM »
How many of us know the difference between an English Sparrow and a Song Sparrow?  How many of us know that the common American Robin is protected, and under what law?  How many know that there are 4 species of Crow in North America, and three are untouchable?  This isn't meant to be a lecture, or some kind of anti-hunting tirade.  Nothing I like better than making good Starlings out of bad ones, good being defined as dead!  I just see too many posts of "X rifle got 1st kill!", then see a picture of a dead protected song bird, with the happy hunter totally oblivious to the laws he's just broken.  For all the concern over the mere mention of the word "silencer" on the various AG forums, think about this.  That picture you just posted is probably sufficient evidence to get you convicted of a federal misdemeanor for starters, with various other local laws waiting their turn.  Some of those fines can run to thousands of $$$!

So this is just my personal heads up, people.  Perfect world, ID your target FIRST!  But if you just HAVE to shoot it first, at least find out what it is before posting proof of guilt on a public forum.  Stepping down off my soap box, now, and if I've offended anyone, my apologies in advance.  That was not my intent.

Dave

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Re: What did I just shoot?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2007, 06:46:23 PM »
Point taken , Dave. Well said and well thought. Thanks1

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RE: What did I just shoot?
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2007, 06:57:58 PM »
Daved

Great post and very good point.

Posting a picture of a dead protected songbird you shot is sufficient evidence to get you convicted. It’s not much difference than posting a picture of you raping someone. However, the feds don’t usually spend $10,000 on catching a $1,000 fine.

Also what ticks me off, Is that we, as adults, are not sitting a good example to the young hunters that will follow in our foot steps and generally making the air gun community look bad.

If you are teaching your youngsters on how to deer hunt, would you tell them if they see anything move threw the brush to just shoot it and then ID what they just shot. I hope not.

No, a deer and a bird are no differ, they are both  a life.

I don’t have anything against hunting or pest control. I do both my self. If I ever do break the law, I will keep it to my self and make the law spend ALL that $10,000 on convicting me.


Okay, now tear into me.

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RE: What did I just shoot?
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2007, 07:51:54 PM »


Great post Dave,



I know that I don't the difference between many birds, and I have many books on birds.



I almost ended up in trouble with the law years ago, when duck hunting with a friend. We were shooting mallards as they came in, and I fired at one about 35 yards out, when another duck flew into my shot pattern and committed suicide. I thought WOW!!! look at that, and said to my friend "did you see that", well a game warden just happen to see it too, and that second bird was a protected duck! Heck !!!



Well do to the fact that he saw it happen and luckily my friend was a game warden from another district, I could have had a problem !



That was the last time I went duck hunting !
 

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RE: What did I just shoot?
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2007, 11:28:30 PM »
Very good point, alway's check with your local law's and find out what is protected in your state. Just good hunting ethic's. Ed
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RE: What did I just shoot?
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2007, 08:24:12 AM »
Wondered the same thing when people started posting photos of their quarter shoots.

Good post Dave,
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RE: What did I just shoot?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2007, 03:05:19 PM »
I could not agree with you more. I have been seeing post of quarry and wonder to myself is that a legal kill? Most quarry for the airgun hunter is some type of pest but remember sometime we cross that line and don't even know it. Read your local and state hunting laws and obey them.
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RE: What did I just shoot?
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2007, 03:24:31 PM »
Good point.
I apply the age old rule "if you're not sure what it is...don't kill it"
If you do and then post pics of an illegal kill.... maybe you should get locked up. Process
of natural selection and all that :)
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RE: What did I just shoot?
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2007, 05:56:09 PM »
I have to tell ya, SOME PESTS are protected!  Like the Barn swallow, those things swarm on my barn and They are federally protected migratory bird. They Crap all over everything and are a major pest.

Thats all im saying.


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RE: What did I just shoot?
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2007, 06:04:05 AM »
Thanks Dave, good point. I too subscribe to the "ID your Target FIRST" mantra.

Perhaps the forum owner could put a Pest Bird Identification introduction in the hunting section to help us distinguish between pest birds and song birds. Members could submit a short description of a pest bird,
the legal hunting status of it in their area, a link to where the information was obtained, and how to identify it.

EXAMPLE:   (these are the 'BIG 3' in my area)
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STARLINGS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starling

In the United States, the European Starling is one of three birds not protected by law
(the others are the House Sparrow and Rock Pigeon, also introduced species).

It is considered to be a pest in several of the countries to which it has been introduced.

Starlings have created mayhem in North America. Many species are losing nesting sites
to the more aggressive Starlings. Starlings will also sometimes drive off native birds,
including the bluebirds, the Purple Martin, Tree Swallows, and some of the smaller species of woodpecker.

These birds pose enough of a threat to songbirds that it is legal to kill Starlings
at any time  in the U.S. and Canada.

ID): http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/European_Starling.html

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HOUSE SPARROWS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_sparrow

In the United States, the House Sparrow is one of three birds not protected by law
(the others are the European Starling and Rock Pigeon, also introduced species).

 House Sparrows sometimes kill adult Bluebirds and other native cavity nesters and
their young and smash their eggs. The House Sparrow is partially responsible
for a decline of Eastern Bluebirds in the United States.

House Sparrows often take over unmonitored nestboxes and Purple Martin houses in the United States.
This invasion has led many nestbox monitors in the United States to trap or shoot the adults
and take their eggs in order to allow native species to reproduce.

ID): http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/House_Sparrow.html

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ROCK PIGEON (AKA Feral pigeon): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_pigeon

In the United States, the Rock Pigeon is one of three birds not protected by law
(the others are the European Starling and House Sparrow, also introduced species).

...they are often considered a pest or even vermin, owing to concerns that they spread disease,
damage property, cause pollution with their excrement, and drive out other (native) bird species.
Alternative, pejorative, nicknames for pigeons are sky rats, flying rats, or similar; gutter birds, or flying ashtrays.

They are known, in particular, to be susceptible to salmonellosis, tuberculosis, and ornithosis.
It is wise, therefore, to use precautions when handling them.

ID): http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Rock_Pigeon.html

Paul

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RE: What did I just shoot?
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2007, 07:17:25 AM »
That's a pretty good idea you have there Paul, a posted bird identification site that members could access prior to pulling the trigger if they're in doubt as to the species of their target.  

The Cornell University bird site you got some of your info from seems to have a very thorough data base on ornithology, I'll see if I can make a new post listing the Cornell site and "sticky" it in the hunting gate.  If it doesn't work out I can always remove it.  

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RE: What did I just shoot?
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2007, 07:33:06 AM »
Hello Again Paul,

Just posted (sticky'd) the bird I.D. link in the Hunting Gate.  Great idea you had, we'll give it some time and see how it works out.  

Jeff
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RE: What did I just shoot?
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2007, 10:02:37 AM »
Let me say... great ideas and job to both Jeff and Paul.
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RE: What did I just shoot?
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2007, 02:30:00 PM »
For sure guy's, great idea for you bird hunter's.  Ed
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