Author Topic: Got my 850 up and running!!!!  (Read 2877 times)

Offline DougT

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 232
    • http://
Got my 850 up and running!!!!
« on: March 27, 2010, 05:28:26 PM »
I converted my .22 Hammerli 850 last night and pumped it up to 3100#.  22ci tank, 1600# regulator, stock everything else except modified trigger.  Took it out this morning, shooting off a bench at 20 yards and tried 3 types of pellets.  The plain Crosman pointed field pellets didn't do too well, about a 1" group.  The RWS Superpoints were about a 1/2' group in 2 clusters.  The RWS H-points grouped the best, one ragged hole.  I chrono'd the Crosmans & H-points.  Both were averaging 760fps.  I degasses the cylinder tonight and ported the barrel, smoothed the breech, cleaned the barrel, bored the AS-to-PB adapter and bored the back side of the valve.  I made a cool "spanner" style wrench to remove the valve top but one of the pins broke so I left it be.  I'll have to get the correct wrench and try another day.  I'm heading out first thing in the morning to rezero the gun, shoot some groups and chrono it again.  My target is 900+ fps.  

Then I'll go pigeon hunting!!!
Hammerli 850 HPA .22 & Leapers 3-9x32  --  TF-89 .22 & Leapers 4x32
---------------------
2010 air rifle kills
288 starlings
235 pigeons
6 crows
25 other birds
56 ground squirrels
3 tree squirrels

---------------------
2009 air rifle kills
181 various birds
57 various squirrels

Offline preez

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 605
    • http://
RE: Got my 850 up and running!!!!
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2010, 01:35:12 AM »
Hi Doug, good work on the 850. 900+ fps will require 1800psi reg though. You can beef up yours with proper amount of shims. Also, do you have a stronger hammer spring? If not, that alone will add almost 100 fps to your existing setup.

Chris
Bam B-26 .22, Hammerli 850 .22 HPA, Marauder .22

LITTLE HUMILITY GOES A LONG WAY!!!!!!!!! - Joe Cuz

Offline DougT

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 232
    • http://
RE: Got my 850 up and running!!!!
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2010, 04:56:46 AM »
Put the scope back on and pumped up the 850 over last night and this morning to 2200#, that's about  570 strokes with the Benji pump.  Went out to our new property this morning and as I pull up there are some starlings in the locust trees.  I put in a magazine of Crosman standard pointed pellets and had no idea where they would hit.  I cranked the scope to 9X and let one fly.  I wasn't sure if I hit it by sight because there was a lot of other birds flying but I could hear the tell-tale whop sound.  A couple seconds later it fell out of the tree.  I walked over to it and put it out of it's convulsions.  There was another squacking sound and I slowly looked around and there was another starling about 35 yards away in a different tree.  I put the crosshairs on it and it dropped as well.  After remounting a scope, changing velocity and know having zeroed the AR, I would have bet money on misses on both.  Didn't get a picture.  Sorry.

Now on to the important stuff.  After the first round of mods, tt's now shooting right around 800fps with standard 14.X grain pellets.  RWS H-points average 797fps, RWS Superpoints average 795fps, RWS Superdomes average 810fps, JSB Jumbo Express average 808 fps, Crosman standard pointed average 795fps.

I shot four groups with these pellets off a bench at 20 yards, see picture below.  The RWS groups were 8 shots, the JSB were 5 shots.  I didn't get a picture of the Crosman pellets but they did much better than yesterday, one jagged hole about 1/2" across.
Hammerli 850 HPA .22 & Leapers 3-9x32  --  TF-89 .22 & Leapers 4x32
---------------------
2010 air rifle kills
288 starlings
235 pigeons
6 crows
25 other birds
56 ground squirrels
3 tree squirrels

---------------------
2009 air rifle kills
181 various birds
57 various squirrels

Offline DougT

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 232
    • http://
RE: Got my 850 up and running!!!!
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2010, 04:57:51 AM »
Sorry, hit submit 2X on accident.
Hammerli 850 HPA .22 & Leapers 3-9x32  --  TF-89 .22 & Leapers 4x32
---------------------
2010 air rifle kills
288 starlings
235 pigeons
6 crows
25 other birds
56 ground squirrels
3 tree squirrels

---------------------
2009 air rifle kills
181 various birds
57 various squirrels

Offline jake

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1255
    • http://
RE: Got my 850 up and running!!!!
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2010, 05:11:34 AM »
good luck on the pigeon hunting!
if at first you dont succeed, re-load, kill count 2010.
(6)squirrel
()opposum
()skunk
()chipmunks
()squirrel
()raccoon
(1)starling
()grackle
()sparrows

Offline DougT

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 232
    • http://
RE: Got my 850 up and running!!!!
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2010, 02:16:59 PM »
I'm not quite happy with the velocity of this 850 yet.  So, last night I took it apart again.  Degassing the tank is the most difficult of the process.  I've been shooting it out but that takes hundreds of shots to get to about 500# so I can stick a rod down the fill nipple and drain the rest of the air.  I got out the 10-24 tap and tapped the outside 1/3 of the nipple to allow a hollow 10-24 bolt to be threaded into the fill nipple and vent the air.  The problem is I went a little too far and there are numerous hairline cracks in the end of the nipple.  DANG.  I had it threaded but decided to go a little deeper and that's what did it.  I'll pick up another nipple at the PB store tomorrow.  

Tonight I made a spanner tool using the lathe & MIG welder.  Very sturdy and pretty cool.  Got the valve apart and bored the output end.  I calculate a 93% increase in flow area around the valve stem.  I also installed a stiffer hammer spring.  Hopefully these two things should bring velocity up.  If I can't get to 850fps+ I'll take apart my regulator and increase the psi output.

Can't wait.  Almost can't sleep at night thinking about what I'll do next and how it might turn out.

Hammerli 850 HPA .22 & Leapers 3-9x32  --  TF-89 .22 & Leapers 4x32
---------------------
2010 air rifle kills
288 starlings
235 pigeons
6 crows
25 other birds
56 ground squirrels
3 tree squirrels

---------------------
2009 air rifle kills
181 various birds
57 various squirrels

Offline DougT

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 232
    • http://
RE: Got my 850 up and running!!!!
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2010, 07:32:48 PM »
Well, this mod didn't work well.  The bore was too big and I screwed up one piece of the valve and it dumped 2000# in about 15 seconds.  

Tonight I got it fixed I think.  Not sure if this is kosher but here's what I did:  http://www.network54.com/Forum/583201/message/1270193115/Got+it+fixed%21%21%21%21

I'll be pumping it up tomorrow after work and hopefully shooting happily ever after.

Doug
Hammerli 850 HPA .22 & Leapers 3-9x32  --  TF-89 .22 & Leapers 4x32
---------------------
2010 air rifle kills
288 starlings
235 pigeons
6 crows
25 other birds
56 ground squirrels
3 tree squirrels

---------------------
2009 air rifle kills
181 various birds
57 various squirrels