what is the most effective muzzle break design?

what is the most effective muzzle break design? (it's for a springer, which may make a difference from the dual recoil) I'm curious, my Quest shoots great, but I want to put on a break, and I want it to actually work as well, I have some sweet aluminum round stock, I was thinking of making my own, but I'm not sure what the most efficient design would be... any comments/info on this one guys?

Has anyone actually researched this one, if so where could I get some info?

It depends on what you want "IT" to do.

 A muzzle brake is just a cocking handle and a bit of Bling Bling for an Air Rifle, it serves no purpose other than that.

A muzzle brake is just a cocking handle and a bit of Bling Bling for an Air Rifle, it serves no purpose other than that.

Unless it has an interior chamber large enough to allow for enclosed gas expansion absorbing a few DB's.
Then it effectively serves another purpose. The commecially made muzzle brake on my 11" barreled B19 does so.
Jack

You are WRONG about a muzzle brake, if it just is a brake it's for show only. The air coming out of a air rifle is not enough to do anything, all this about side exit brakes, bottom exit brakes, unless it has some kind of chamber it's bling bling.

They have another name for what you want and they are not legal, you are talking about a moderator this is what's was or is on your B-19.

Also this subject is not allowed on an open forum like this, because a moderator is not legal to own in the USA.

I'm not looking to quiet the gun, so don't put words in my mouth, I said muzzle break, not silencer, and if they are properly designed they can help tighten up groupings.

[daved]

"Open forum" and "not allowed"!?  Sounds like an oxymoron to me!  Also, silencers are NOT illegal, just expensive to get a permit for, just like fully automatic weapons.  Go read some of the posts on Pyramid's Blog.  Methinks I smell a little bit of conflict of interest.  Doesn't Peterdragin sell cosmetic muzzle brakes...?

All BS aside, you may be right.  There may not be enough expanding gas from an air powered weapon to make a muzzle brake anything but cosmetic.  But how do you KNOW?  If you're going to state your opinion so emphatically, you should also point us to some factual data to back it up.  Of course, that's just MY opinion.

And really, since when is it "not allowed" to talk about something that might be illegal?  Talking about robbing banks is never going to land you in jail, no matter how detailed your discussion.  Unless you walk in, guns blazing, it's protected by freedom of speech.  And if this is going to get censored because I used the word silencer, I'm in the wrong place anyway.

Dave

This isn't even worth my time, I apologize that I asked an intellectual question that angered some because they could not answer it.

to all the the true air gunners on this site, shoot often and shoot safe.

I'm done with this forum. I had enough of preschool when I was young.

Later

Boy, M-2000, I wouldn't give up on a forum after just 8 posts.  So somebody got a feather ruffled by your post.  They didn't respond with a personal attack or anything, just a concern about legality.  Don't give up on a wealth of information so soon.

Now, for my question on this topic.  I was under the impression that a muzzlebreak, gas dispersion aside, also helped as a little bit of counterweight to balance the gun at a different point.  Is that correct?

When some one states ( Unless it has an interior chamber large enough to allow for enclosed gas expansion absorbing a few DB's. ) he is not talking about a Muzzle brake.

A muzzle brake might have some effect on a air pistol, but not on an air rifle.

The guy has posted this question on more than this forum and got the same answers.

When some one states ( Unless it has an interior chamber large enough to allow for enclosed gas expansion absorbing a few DB's. ) he is not talking about a Muzzle brake. A muzzle brake might have some effect on a air pistol, but not on an air rifle.

I'm truely sorry if it bothers people that some muzzle brakes affect noise levels. But they do. They are called "muzzle brakes" by their manufacturers and sellers. Come on, you know there are and have been many commercially manufactured airgun "muzzle brakes" with chambers in them and removeable front pieces. Tons of rifles out there with RWS and other BIG manufacturer's chambered muzzle brakes on them for reasons other than bling.
Not to be contentious, but these types do affect the report. You know they do. I know they do because I've removed mine from my 11" chopped-barrel B19 and heard the difference. Even just removing the screw-on cap on that commercially made muzzle brake makes a noise level difference.I've also fired my Talon SS with the front cap removed and heard the difference (it's frame is the 6"x1" chamber in front of a 12" barrel). *** Now the Talon SS  is an American airgun LEGALLY built and sold in the USA around the knowledge that an expansion chamber in front of the muzzle reduces noise....it simply incorporates that into it's frame. So expansion chambers work...period.  
But I suspect that the moderator issue is why Beeman's offerings now are not fully chambered and the new RWS is chambered but smaller. You can still  find either type; unchambered for use as a cocking handle, balance weight, or "bling", or chambered (which are sold as being for the same purpose).  
If someone makes and sells their own brand of muzzle brakes without chambers for bling appeal, great! More power to you. They look veryy nice from the photos I've seen. Go for it!  
 But don't discount the thousands of commercially made chambered muzzle brakes sitting on the ends of air rifles today being used for other reasons than esthetics. The elusive "16mm RWS" is a good example of one "muzzle brake" which is sought after for reasons other than it's "bling" appeal. Don't shoot the messenger.
Jack

I guess you don't understand what a muzzle brake was designed for, it IS used on high power rifles to reduce RECOIL, which has no effect on springers because the recoil is the spring and piston assembly, NOT the blast of air comming out the end of the barrel.

If your Brake as you call it has chambers or vents of some kind is it a Moderator or a compensator, not a brake.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/muzzle_brakes.htm     good article on brakes,

Sorry,Peter,you're a bit off base on this one..
 Brakes,intended to reduce muzzle rise and/or recoil,DO work on pcp's and co2 rifles.Strictly speaking even just a weight on the barrel will function as a brake in that sense on a springer (reduce felt recoil and muzzle movement)
  One problem is that common terms in airgunspeak mean different things to different people..Springer "recoil" isn't real recoil,i.e. it's not a reaction (primarily) to the accelerating pellet and rocket effect of the muzzle blast,as in true recoil.A high power pcp or co2 gun does have true recoil,to a greater or lesser extent.Most airgun hammers are strikers..(a hammer swings in an arc,a striker moves in a straight line) a dump valve may be the same as a blockade valve, or pop open valve,but some consider the term to mean the way the valve is intended to fuction(i.e. dump the charge instead of meter part of it) " plenum" is sometime used to describe the storage area in a valve body,but that area is actualy a reservoir.The term valve is commonly used to describe the entire valve assembly,often including an intake,(or inlet,or check) valve ,one or 2 springs,a reservoir,one or  2 valve seats, an outlet valve,and both inlet and exhaust ports.
  "Brake" means different things to different folks.Often mostly "bling" (though I've seen some designs that should be very effective)sometimes code for a moderator,sometimes "just" a weight (just a weight can be an effective acuracy enhancer,if used to tune barrel harmonics)It would be nice if we all  agreed on the meaning of the terms we use,but it hasn't happened yet...

I didn't think we were discussing PCP's or co2 rifles, I agree they might have an affect on them but not enough air can be genrated with a springer. I also think that they would be most usefull on pistols not rifles.  

If you are shooting a 12 fpe rifle a brake or moderator has no affect on muzzle jump or recoil, just not enough pressure or volume comming out the barrel, I don't care if it's a pcp or co2 rifle.

Now crank up a .25 PCP and you got something to play with, but a .177 or .22 at 12 fpe nada..

several 10 meter match rifles have brakes,(pcp's,some older co2 10m guns had them as well) they work at well under 12 ft/lbs.I don't think they are there just for show on $3000 rifles.They MAY be primarily intended to reduce pellet yaw as the muzle blast tries to pass the pellet,but the 10m guys are wiling to pay a lot to have the gun stay dead still when fired,so I suspect it's a combination. Tim puts a brake on his USFT gun,it's running about 15-18 ft/lbs in .177,I think..I've sleeved benji pump up rifles,they move a little less after than before,same with the 2260.
 I agree,few,if any,springers make enough high pressure air to benefit from diverted air as a recoil reducer...(the 35 ft/lb,recoiless double piston Whiscombe may be the exception)
 I saw a post where someone calculated the weight of air used to move a pellet out of a pump rifle at 900 fps in .177.According to that guy,the air weighed more than half as much as the pellet...less volume of air  is used with a springer of the same power,for various reasons.
 There's an exception to most every rule...

I have an RWS muzzlebrake on on a RWS model 40.  The brake is reamed out and has a screw-on muzzle cap (worthwhile when you re trying to fish a patch that fell in the brake).  The brake is set at the very end of the muzzle, making for a long gun.  Does it dampen the report?  I think so.  I sounds like a pop bottle opening.  It certainly adds hang to the rifle. This gun is very powerful and will shoot one hole groups at any reasonable range.