Author Topic: Feinwerkbau Model 603 Junior  (Read 30822 times)

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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2008, 01:23:47 PM »
i ain't nuts....i am just mentally eccentric....and love having fun with air guns.  i get tired of shooting paper and all the rodents around here are dead so i have to find creative ways to keep my interest..ha!....i really like your new toy!....i might have to think about one of those for xmas!!!
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RE: Feinwerkbau Model 603 Junior
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2008, 01:26:52 PM »
That is a truely phenominal rifle Kenny. I do confess to being a tad jealous....  :) Ithink for most shooters that want a match rifle the Junior versions make more sense. If you don't need 10-11 lbs. of rifle to help stablize it from a standing postion, why tote that extra weight?

I really have the hots for an Anschutz 8002 Junior. I got to shoulder one at Neal Johnson's shop and loved the ergos on it.

Congrats on your new rifle. I'm sure you will be able to recount tales of incredible accuracy to us in the days and weeks to come.

Don't rule out RWS R10 pellets for plinking and casual target work. I have found them to be very, very consistent and are reasonably priced in the bulk tins.

PS: Do box up your sights and protect them (I would take the front off too if you are going to shoot scoped) The FWB sight sets start at about $400.00.
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Re: Feinwerkbau Model 603 Junior
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2008, 02:25:15 PM »
Peak
The only problem with the junior rifles is they are ambi.
Where I have a problem is the pistol grip, where my thumb has to deal with the ambi design rather than a nice contoured tumbrest.
Unfortunately I think it is simply a matter of not enough sales to junior buyers to make both R and L stocks.

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RE: Feinwerkbau Model 603 Junior
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2008, 02:32:31 PM »
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TCups - 9/11/2008  6:18 PM

Have you picked up a copy of "The Ways of the Rifle" yet?  Have that in the book section of Pilk's, too.  I am drooling on my keyboard again.  Has Stephanie PM's to sweet talk you yet?  She has a "thing" for that rifle, I hear.


I don't have that title...I've looked for a few books dedicated to air guns that were recommended on Bobs (CDT) site, but they are hard to find right now.

Last I read Stephanie was having a blast with a new Theoben...or was she tempted by the Dark Side?  No matter, I'm confident she'll own a 603 or equivalent when she's ready.

Someone please explain /  what does the acromyn LoP stand for?  'Lenght of Pull' was all I could find that made any sense.

I did take her out with the Leupold to try and get it close to zero.  20 clicks down was all it took to find the black...she's close now ~20 yards @ 8x magnification.  This was freehand leaning against a bamboo stalk...last three in the black and it was time to say Adios to a coulpa squadrons of mosquitos.

Back to the eye relief issue.  I should have asked the forum how they might choose to scope the 603...I am sure Stephanie as well as many others would come through with flying colors.  Lesson learned...

I am not happy removing the Leupold from my R-11...and the R-11 is not liking the extra lenght of the Bushnell.  The glass on gun situation has been placed in chaos for the time being.

This is where I think the mysterious 'LoP' comes into play.  I am reasoning that since the gun has an adjustable butt place, that I can extend it and thereby place the ocular of the scope further away and gain a usable sight picture.

However,  this butt plate will not extend far enough. (some of these adjustable parts are plastic...too save weight I suppose) Is this eye relief problem related to LoP?  Please provide a link or source so I can study up a bit.  I'll buy a copy of "The Ways of the Rifle" too.  This rifle is fun and easy to shoot and I welcome suggestions on how you'd tackle the eye relief problem.

thanks/kenny

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I used the 8.2 RWS Meisters while sighting the scope...they might drop a SE GA squirell with a really clean temple or ear shot from close range. Much more authoritative sounding twack than the Vogel Yellows for certian.   Still, none likes a crawler and I have other guns I depend on for humane pest control.  


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RE: Feinwerkbau Model 603 Junior
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2008, 02:46:28 PM »
LOP is length of pull, the distance from the forward surface of the trigger to the center of the butt plate.  Yes, it will affect the position of the rifle, and therefore the eye relief of the scope. Have you considered using the diopter sights and just omitting the scope?  That is the route I would probably take.  The gun is really meant for target shooting at 10 Meters and you don't really need a scope for that.  Further, depending on the scope you mount and the magnification you use, it may not be possible to even adjust the AO to focus at 10 meters.  In general, the eye relief will be much more critical at higher magnifications.  Even if you scope, you don't need a high power scope for this shooter.

Is this rifle ambidextrous?!  I thought it only came in a RH version.

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Re: Feinwerkbau Model 603 Junior
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2008, 02:47:44 PM »
Gary:

Are you in fact sure that the FWB 603 Jr is an ambidextrous air rifle?  Do you have one?

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RE: Feinwerkbau Model 603 Junior
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2008, 03:04:57 PM »
Very nice rifle . With fall coming on and soon it will be indoor shooting season. That one will be a lot of fun punching .17 cal holes in some paper . I'd thought about selling one of my custom AirArms rifles , but I think I'll turn the power down to about 600fps and get it ready for some off hand target shooting. kirby
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RE: Feinwerkbau Model 603 Junior
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2008, 11:03:21 PM »
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TCups - 9/11/2008  10:46 PM

 Have you considered using the diopter sights and just omitting the scope?

Is this rifle ambidextrous?!  I thought it only came in a RH version.


I am strongly considering it now.  My OE lenses are fifty years old though...

The rifle is home and I am at work so I cannot do a visual...the invoice denotes the model as: FWB 603 177 Jr RH.
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RE: Feinwerkbau Model 603 Junior
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2008, 11:15:58 PM »
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kirby999 - 9/11/2008  11:04 PM

Very nice rifle . With fall coming on and soon it will be indoor shooting season.  That one will be a lot of fun punching .17 cal holes in some paper .  I'd thought about selling one of my custom AirArms rifles , but I think I'll turn the power down to about 600fps and get it ready for some off hand target shooting. kirby


Ditto Kirby.  That's an exotic stock you have there.
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RE: Feinwerkbau Model 603 Junior
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2008, 02:54:04 AM »
Note:  Pilk's inventory of LG .177 GREENs is zero as of this posting date and time.  Booooo....
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RE: Eyesight at age 50+, Diopter Sights, 10-M Targets
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2008, 03:34:40 AM »
Kenny:
. . . and mine 55, and myopic.  But the diopter "peep" sight will make for quite a bit of distance correction with either hyperopia or myopia.  The sight picture of the official 10-M competition target's black ring centered in the correct size aperture of the front globe, centered in the correct apparent size of the 1mm aperture of the rear sight (changed by adjusting the eye relief position of the diopter sight) in good light is a very high contrast sight picture and at least in theory, pretty easy to center.  Your focus and concentration should be directed at the front sight globe.  Targets like the Gamo 6.5 inch targets with a white center and black outer ring, BTW, are much harder for me to shoot accurately with diopters, while in silhouette, the white center of a Gamo target makes the black front blade of the Izzy easier for me to line up.  I have actually added a fluorescent dot to the front blade of my Izzy to make centering the front blade against a black target easier for my tired old eyes.  I shoot 10-Meter targets with my computer glasses both with my IZH-46A and my Walther LGR-U without too much problem, but again, a good light (I use a small, cheap halogen desk lamp) centered on the target will greatly improve your sight picture. The diopter sights will also put the line of sight much closer to the bore.

At least for me, a scope with any magnification seems to merely amplify my wobble, a pretty distracting visual effect, making it harder for me to truly concentrate on the sight picture, think about my breathing, and trigger pull. I shoot more consistent patterns at 10-M with diopters than I do, for example with my HW30S tuned to 575 FPS and a 2X scope, and I don't think it is the spring.

But, all that said, don't expect to then pick up the FZB with diopters and easily acquire a target tree rodent at 25 yards, much less a grasshopper.  Although I must say the pictures of that big old scope hanging off that offset mount looks pretty *_*_*_*_*_*y, I am not sure it is optimal for printing targets at 10-M, at least for me.  That said, I certainly am no expert on the subject, just a rookie trying to learn if I can really shoot a 10-M rifle.  I seem to have a gnawing desire to acquire a really fine, new single pumper like the FZB 603, but my logic has prevailed so far, in that I have decided to refrain from any new shooters in the 2+ killobuck range until I can prove to myself that I can actually shoot my Walther well enough to deserve one -- that and the fact that such an acquisition will surely come to the immediate attention of my loving, practical, and frugal wife with potential consequences that need not be stated here.

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RE: Eyesight at age 50+, Diopter Sights, 10-M Targets
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2008, 03:57:18 AM »

 Yeah, I think goin' with a scope for 10m shooting might give you more problems than solutions. I shoot 10m with a diopter sight and my regular glasses, which work fine for my lowly purposes.

 Now, if you wanna go whole-hog, you could do the diopter and get shooting glasses.

 Good example from Champion's Choice: http://www.champchoice.com/detail.php?item=5020142

 I can't justify the cost, myself, but I imagine I'll be picking up something like those for my son, who's a little nearsighted, in a year or so if he doesn't lose interest.

 This item seems to be for attaching a lens to the diopter. I'm not sure about the particulars, so you'd want to look into this further yourself if you're interested:

 http://www.champchoice.com/detail.php?item=9450

 Good luck, and VERY handsome rifle you've got there!
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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2008, 05:21:45 AM »
There is another book "Air Rifle Shooting" that is specific to air rifles.
I have both books, just got the AR shooting.  Good stuff, at least for me.  It isn't an inexpensive book, but obviously I thought it was worth it.  Both of these books are directed at match competition shooting.  If you don't do that, even casually at home, they may not be worth buying.

http://www.pilkguns.com/books.shtml

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Re: Feinwerkbau Model 603 Junior
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2008, 05:32:18 AM »
I am almost as certain as I can be w/o holding it, that it is an ambi stock.
In the first post, the pix showing the pistol grip from the bottom looks just like my P70-jr, and my P70-jr IS an ambi stock.
Where you can tell it is ambi is that the left and right side profile of the pistol grip are identical.  A true right hand will have a contoured cut for the thumb, and there would not be a need to countour the left side like it is.  The left side is countoured for the left hand to hold it.

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« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2008, 05:34:34 AM »
Why is this forum sw mis-linking posts.
I did one below which was a reply to Peakchick, but it got linked to the wrong post.
And this one again was mis linked.