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Offline Gene_SC

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Re: Hunting Law/Grey Area...
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2008, 03:33:41 PM »


Dang Tim, I hope you do not shoot me for a follow up on one of RedFeathers posts...:) I disagreed to some extent with him... lol



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RE: Hunting Law/Grey Area...
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2008, 02:13:44 PM »
Question Spark,

Does this include armadillo? Have been dyeing to make chili out of one.

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The Answer from Texas Parks and Wildlife!
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2008, 10:41:49 AM »
What follows is the response that I got to that email.  The guy pretty much turned the whole thing into swiss cheese!  I know that my numbers were off but he definitely makes note of it and rubbed my nose in the poopoo!

Enjoy!

Matt,

Air guns / pellet guns are legal to use when hunting nongame animals.  Nongame animals include, but are not limited to the following:

Armadillos
Bobcats
Coyotes
Mountain lions
Frogs
Prairie dogs
Rabbits
Turtles
 
Air guns could also be used for pest elimination, rats or pigeons for example.  TPWD does not regulate the taking of rats or pigeons.  If you are a landowner or landowner’s agent dealing with nuisance fur-bearing animals (i.e. skunk, opossum or raccoon), you can take the nuisance fur-bearing animals with an air gun.  However, the pelts cannot be retained or possessed.

 Regarding your assertion highlighted below, I do not agree that .22 caliber air guns produce energy ft-lbs “in the range of” .22 rimfire ammunition.  For example, Winchester .22 Short ammo with a 29 grain Super-X bullet produces 77 ft-lbs at the muzzle of a rifle and 52 ft-lbs at 100 yards.  CCI subsonic .22 rimfire ammunition produces 98 ft-lbs at the muzzle of a rifle and 72 ft-lbs at 100 yards.  Your statistic of 20-26 ft-lbs is, at best, half the energy of a .22 Short at 100 yards.  Your statistic is “in the range of” CCI’s CB Short/Long ammo, although still less energy ft-lbs.

 If you would like a change in the Legal Means and Methods, this would be done by making your argument before the Parks and Wildlife Commission.  The Commission accepts public comment before regulations are adopted each year.  Notices regarding upcoming Commission Meetings are always posted on our website: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us

Scott Vaca
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Texas Parks & Wildlife Department
4200 Smith School Road
Austin, TX   78744

Office: (512) 389-4626
Fax: (512) 389-8400
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RE: The Answer from Texas Parks and Wildlife!
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2008, 10:45:05 AM »
I wasn't out to change anything.  Just wanted to know how the laws got to where they are today.  He didn't answer that question.
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WOW MATT!!!!!!!
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2008, 11:03:30 AM »
Dont feel bad Buddy,, Ya done GOOD!!!!  That Mr.Scott Vaca guy seems to me to be a staight shooter!! If I were you,, I would feel honered by his honest reply!! I was wondering if you would even get a reply at all. Man was I wrong!! Maybe you should ask him "What If",, Ya had a 50 cal. Dragon Slayer with 2-300 Ft. Lbs.?? He He !! ( Just Funnin Matt!!) Seems to me Mr. Vaca is like alot of the DNR Folks I have met in my many years,, he may just be an avid outdoorsman hisself!! Please PM me his E-Mail info Matt,, I feel compelled to thank him for his responce to you. You done good Matt (Seriously)!! Your Hunting Buddy in S.C.,,,, Tim.

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Re: Hunting Law/Grey Area...
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2008, 11:45:15 AM »
RANT ON!!!!!


Screw them. Use it anyway. Just don't get caught.(kinda, sorta, half-joking) Hunting is a God given right, not a government given privilidge. These folks have forgotten who pays their salaries. And why should I be punished just because there "may" be someone ignorant enough to use a Red Ryder  to hunt a bobcat? That's neither my fault, nor my problem. Some folks are too eager to bend over for government that has usurped authority that it doesn't rightfully have. The same argument is used to justify every gun control law on the books. Someone "may" use this or that type of gun to commit a crime. BS. Laws should punish the individuals who commit mala in se crimes. Not make criminals out of everyone. It is your duty as am American to disobey all unconstitutional laws.
I remember the governmental attitude about crossbows before they were legalized for hunting in GA. That rich b@stard attitude of "only poachers use crossbows".
Screw 'em all. Hunt deer with a muzzle loading cannon loaded with blue whistlers. Have you seen that website? Hilarious. Google "hunt deer with a cannon".
What propels the projectile doesn't make a d@mn, as long as it can do the job with an accurate shot. My R1 .177 kills squirrels faster than my .22s ever did with solids. True, I can't shoot squirrels at 100 yds with my R1, but why would I? Gray squirrels are very well camouflaged in the fall/winter woods, so why would I want to try to find one that I shot 100 yds away? For that matter, .22 LR is less than ideal for 100 yd small game shooting, as well as pretty underpowered for beavers, bobcats, coyotes, cougars, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love my rimfires. I just don't hunt with them as much as I do with my air rifles. I shot my first squirrels and doves with a Crosman 2100, pushing .177 wadcutters to 725 fps at the muzzle. It killed the squirrels quickly and the doves instantly. That's been MANY years ago (statute of limitations is up), and now I hunt with more powerful pumpers, springers, and PCPs.
.22 Hornet and .30 Carbine are legal for deer in GA and illegal for small game. How stupid is that. They are woefully underpowered for deer, except for head shots (the only sure way to get a one shot stop). They are, however, fantastic for small game. With solids, they knock the snot out of squirrels and rabbits without undue meat damage. They used to be legal for small game in GA, and illegal for deer. I used to hunt small game with them, but now I can't, all because some bureaucrats with no knowledge of ballistics decided that all rimfires should be for small game only, and all centerfires would be great for deer, bears, and hogs only.
Imagine shooting a black bear or a feral hog with a .22 hornet. NOT my remote control drill of choice.

BTW, all of the air rifles I use for hunting are LEGAL in GA for that purpose. I'd like to have a .25 cal air rifle. They're not legal for small game in GA. I may need to send a letter to the DNR. See if it can be rectified. It's even better than .177 or .22 for hunting. I can't afford a .25 cal airgun right now, so it's a bit of a moot point. I do have a .45 caliber PCP that I'd like to use for deer and/or hogs. I don't even have a place to hunt deer this year, so it's a moot point, also. Maybe I'll go on a guided deer/hog hunt on a private hunting ranch. I'd carry my .44 mag as a backup, just as I would with my flintlock. I may follow the creek in my neighborhood into the woods and take a beaver or 2. That's probably the closest I'll come to hunting big game.

Hmmm, ARMADILLO. There's an idea. Those pests are all over GA now. Just like illegal aliens.  I've heard that 'dillos taste like pork. Just be careful to cook it THOROUGHLY. You wouldn't want to get leprosy.  

RANT OFF
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Re: Hunting Law/Grey Area...
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2008, 12:20:22 PM »
I’m glad for you. They gave you the rights to legally hunt a wide range of prey. You must be happy.

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Re: Hunting Law/Grey Area...
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2008, 12:35:34 PM »
Jaymo...   you're an animal!  Thanks for the rant!  A little twisted, but    a-d-m-i-r-a-b-l-e!
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RE: WOW MATT!!!!!!!
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2008, 12:38:55 PM »
In this here state the Game Wardens' reach goes beyond that of the police!  I'm sure he knows the Regulation book like the back of his hand.  Yeah, I was kinda taken-aback when I'd read his response!  Pretty damn-well put, huh!

-Matt
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RE: Hunting Law/Grey Area...
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2008, 03:25:01 PM »
ya that includes dillo but we are in Texas and you need to check with your parks and wildlife department to see whats legal in your area.this is the frist year texas has aproved of any huntting with airguns to my knowledge  and I check each year to see what laws have changed as I tend to hunt on public and federal lands and have had run ins the rangers and gamewardens and let me tell ya those guys are serrious about the LAW! I also do alot of hunting within the city of Ft. worth and been stoped by the police but once they check me out and see what I,m doing they leave me alone they usually want to make sure I.m not dumping or doing other illegal activities which is fine by me but I have had to fight a few criminal trespass tickets  and won, my saying no fence no signs no ticket!I never go onto posted property this is Texas we shoot and ask no questions!
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RE: The Answer from Texas Parks and Wildlife!
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2008, 09:54:56 PM »
You COULD have mentioned the 9mm, .45, and .50 air rifles on the Pyramid Air web page. :-)
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Re: Hunting Law/Grey Area...
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2008, 11:38:05 AM »
I'm going to appeal to my state DNR to approve .25 cal airguns for small game hunting on the grounds of it's superiority to the .177 in terms of muzzle energy and wound channel.
Then I'm going to appeal to them to approve the big borer PCPs for deer, hogs, and maybe turkeys. Hopefully they'll  be open minded about the subject.
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Re: Hunting Law/Grey Area...
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2008, 11:39:12 AM »
BTW, about half of my first post in this thread was tongue in cheek. Or maybe it was based on my frustration with government in general.
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Re: Hunting Law/Grey Area...
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2008, 11:45:06 AM »
Considering the fact that my .45 PCP shooting a 390 grain slug has more than 3 times the ME than my Barnett Quad 400 crossbow, I don't see why the PCPs aren't legal for deer. They have the same range limitations as crossbows, yet crossbows are legal. I'm all for crossbows being legal. I just know that big bore PCPs should be, also.
It seems legal weapons for hunting are often determined by people with no knowledge of ballistics.
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