Author Topic: FS B-26 in .22 and .177  (Read 13065 times)

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Re: FS B-26 in .22
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2008, 10:09:27 AM »
The Flying Dragon B26 .22 would be a keeper for small or larger game hunting. I would take one of Mikes tuned shooter's in .22 and successfully hunt with it at that fps with no worries at all. :) Ed
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Re: FS B-26 in .22
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2008, 11:45:00 AM »
I agree with Ed,,,, 650 FPS in .22 will keep your game pouch filled no problem,,,, ya just gotta shoot straight  :)

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Re: FS B-26 in .22
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2008, 01:28:17 PM »
Yep.  My MM B-26 is 650 FPS very accurately with 14.3 gr CP's or somewhere around 13-14 FPE as I recall.  Isn't there some sort of "magic" number for velocity where pellet wt in grains = FPE energy?  Anyway, a MM B-26 / .22 at 650 is a proficient hunter-killer to be sure, as is its first cousin, the MM B-26 / .177 with the Macarri spring and seal, turning out about 875 FPS, also in about the 13-14 FPE range with JSB predators.  WHACK!

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Re: FS B-26 in .22
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2008, 03:10:29 PM »
How much do they weigh? How long are they? What is the cocking effort? They sound like an excellent rifle, And I have to admit I've been caught up in the FPS craze as I am a newbie and inexperenced with air rifle's. I've been seriously considering the TF89, but I think it will be to long and heavy for me.
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Re: FS B-26 in .22
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2008, 05:07:24 PM »
Somewhere around 7 pounds, I think.  The two pictured above have an extra 3 inches or so of MB added (and since removed).  Very smooth with about a "medium" cocking effort.  Not as easy as say a HW30 or R7.  Not as hard as an RWS 350, Beeman R1 or a Theoben gas ram.  The specs should be very close to that of a Beeman R9, and StraightShooters.com has those specs available on line.  

In truth, the .177 is flatter shooting and I have killed more small game with my .177 than with the .22.  The 177 has the advantage of being cheaper to shoot -- tins of 500 pellets in .177 costing about the same as tins of 200 pellets in .22 for most of the name brands.

If you own no other air rifle and want a good first "all around" hunter-plinker, the Mike Melick tuned B-26 is hard to beat.

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Re: FS B-26 in .22
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2008, 11:44:52 PM »
The .177 may shoot flatter, but the .22 holds true to the target further because it is less affected by wind and also carries more energy downrange due to its higher ballistic coefficient. With practice, you can learn how to estimate the drop and with time, you will probably be more accurate with the .22.

Although some pellets are about 50% more for .22, some are really close or the same. Using PyramydAir prices,  Crossman Premier Hollow Points are the same price in .177 and .22 for a tin of 500. Gamo Hunters are only 30 cents more for the same size tin (250), JSB Predator PolyMags are the same price in tins of 200.

I prefer .22.

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Re: FS B-26 in .22
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2008, 03:12:10 AM »
All true, and I certainly wouldn't discourage you from a .22.  In general, at longer ranges, the .22 will be more accurate due to the heavier projectile and lower velocity.  But a B--26 in either caliber will carry enough energy down range to do the job on a squirrel or rabbit pretty easily out to 30 yards or so, which is about the limit of the shots I take.  

I find that my B-26 springers prefer either JSB Exacts or Beeman FTS to Crosman CPLs or Gamo Hunters, both being more expensive in .22.  If your rifle shoots CP Hollowpoints well, those are a best buy and are a relatively inexpensive pellet, as are the Gamo Hunters.  But I haven't had much luck with either as far as downrange accuracy in my springers.  The difference, for me, being something like 1/2 inch groups vs 1.5 inch groups at 20 yards and 1 inch groups vs 3 to 5 inch groups at 50 yards with the JSB or FTS vs CP HollowPoints and Gamo Hunters, in either .177 or .22, when shooting from a tripod rest.  On the other hand, my brother has a MM-tuned B-26 in .22 that he says is a tack driver shooting CP HollowPoints.  Go figure.

Either rifle will serve you well.  The .22 is the more proficient hunter once you get her zeroed and learn how she shoots. The .177 is probably the more popular choice for general plinking and target shooting with occasional hunting at relatively shorter ranges. Either way, you will save enough on a MM tuned B-26's to buy plenty of extra ammo.

PS:  Crosman Premier HollowPoints are not the same as the Crosman Premiers in the cardboard box.  The boxed CP's are a very good pellet, but twice as expensive in .22 ($22.99 for 625 in .22 vs $22.99 for 1250 in .177).  WalMart used to carry the .22 CP HollowPoints, but I believe they now carry only the .177 CP HP's if that makes any difference.



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Re: FS B-26 in .22
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2008, 11:00:21 AM »
I agree with Tommy,,,, either caliber will take out a squirrel or rabbit easily within 30 yards with proper shot placement,,,, but I would also choose the .22 if it were going to primarily be a small game gun.....

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RE: FS B-26 in .22
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2008, 12:39:35 PM »
I too had my own personal  B-20 late production (serial numbers greater than 0300xxxxxxx) and what a great gun it was. Gene only had to shoot it one time and then there was no doubt in his mind. He wanted to buy it but I turned him down. It took awhile for him to find one but he did and it is a real winner and will probably never let it  go.

 I swore that I would never let mine go either but eventually I sold it. One day a customer came by to pick up a gun I had tuned for him and we were talking about the B-26 and I told him the history behind it.  He asked if he could shoot my B-20 and of course I said yes. He put about twenty rounds through it and didn't want to give it back.  I just couldn't turn down his eventual offer, especially since I don't shoot much anymore.

The early B-20's with the 0200xxxxx serial numbers for the most part were not all that good and some were actually dangerous but the late production B-20's were a real good gun and excellent once tuned. In the early days when I was doing the "Sales Project", I probably sold 200 or more, some tuned and some not tuned.

Later, there was a big mix of the early and late B-20's being sold and the "Bad" reputation although based on the early model was killing sales and was the main reasoning behind the change to B-26 along with a bit of cosmetic change. I would order a case of 5, make two good ones out of the 5 and send 3 back to John.

The B-21 had a pretty harsh reputation. Some of you old timers may remember them being affectionately called "The Beast". I believe I was the one that coined that name and hung it on it but it was also referred to as the  Scope Killer, Arm Buster, My Dentists Friend and a couple of others as well. I used to order those by the case also and as a joke, offered an optional wagon to drag the B-21 around with 8).  It suffered the same demise as the B-20, and was later upgraded a little and became the B-30.

Boy how some of the Chinese airgun products have changed, especially in the BAM line. Tremendous improvements and much better quality in the last few years. They don't compare to the German or English guns but vastly improved.

As others have stated, the B-26, which replaced the B-20 series is one of the best values out there. MikeinIowa and I go back quite a few years. The deals that he throws out there are hard to beat whether is in Co2's or springers you can be rest assured that if you purchase a gun from Mike, you will have a good one .... but sometimes crap happen. :o   If it does... Mike makes it right as anybody that is on this forum will attest to. :)

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RE: FS B-26 in .22
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2008, 01:58:29 PM »
Well a gun such as the B26 thats gets so many good reviews and complaments must be a good peice. I sent Mike a PM about it. Its either this or a TF89, but I think I would like the B26 more. Anyway to get it to shot a bit harder?
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RE: FS B-26 in .22
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2008, 02:00:28 PM »
Robert the B-26 would be a good all around hunting rifle. It is not to heavy so you can carry it all day. The TF-89 are longer and heavier.
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RE: FS B-26 in .22
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2008, 02:04:06 PM »
Well Bob, I got my B-20 and with all your help and trainingI think mademine abetter overall shooter than yours...:) Na, just kidding but I am in love with my B-20 and it will be in my family for a long long time. The cocking and firing cycle is very smooth and clean. Now that we all have stolen poor Mikes post we need to buy some more of his B-26's...:)
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Re: FS B-26 in .22
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2008, 05:25:53 PM »
you could get it to shoot harder, but that would require advanced tuning of the gun that would cost some money, and wear out the parts prematurely, and make it harder to shoot, and it won't be as accurate(it'll shoot like that g1 you're using in terms of recoil, and you're gonna make it recoil like the 350, but it won't have the same power as it, and will eventually get destroyed)...this gun is plenty in .22 for squirrels and such out to as far as you can shoot it...if you get one, and find yourself wanting some more oompfh, then get either a 89, or b28...course, once it gets warm near you, i would also get one of mikes tuned 78's...that gun you'll just LOVE!(everyone else does!)
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RE: FS B-26 in .22 and .177
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2008, 11:43:23 AM »
I have dealt with Mike in Iowa 1 time and it was to buy the B28. Well the B28 is great for the $$ ,  dealing with Mike was an absolutely magnificent event. There is NOT one person giving you the insight, price  and knowledge like him.

Buy a .177 or .22 cal. (B26) that shoots Guaranteed 650 ++ FPS, tuned by him and ACCURATE in that price.  Don't believe me then buy the B26 and if not absolutely satisfied , I and not Mike  will refund your $$.  I do not mind receiving your air guns,  having 1 or 10 of Mike's air guns, they all shoot is GREAT and I will refund you $170.00 for A $250.00 AIR GUN.

Mike is the greatest thing that happened to this forum and should be appreciated the same, he is unselfish and given.

He receives 5 air guns in a crate, un-boxes them, cleans everyone of them, inspects them, chrony's them, corrects them, tunes them, boxes them and finally shipped them out to his customers FOR $170.00. Beat that PRICE for a 1/2 CTC at 30 yards.

just waiting for Mike to sell me the B40.

Warren

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RE: FS B-26 in .22 and .177
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2008, 05:25:05 PM »
Warren,,,,could not have said it better myself :)  :emoticon: Mike is a complete gentlemen !!!!!
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